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  • #8702
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    freedominacup wrote: »
    At the bones of 1500/acre it's probably a bit rich for dawgs blood.

    You're not wrong there Free.
    €/$3700ha with an average yield potential of 3 to 4ton/ha?
    You'd get double that yield here on less expensive land.


  • #8703
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kowtow wrote: »
    If that farm was in Ireland it would be on the market for €5 billion.

    The worst of the cattle would be available by separate negotiation, and the oil would already have been sold to someone else.

    More than likely the drilling rights would be given away for free by our business minded government.




    (or whatever can fit into a brown envelope!!). :)


  • #8704
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Reseed that I sowed with barrow in September 2013. Was pretty crap last year. Injected slurry into it this spring. Worked out well


  • #8705
    loveta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭loveta


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Reseed that I sowed with barrow in September 2013. Was pretty crap last year. Injected slurry into it this spring. Worked out well

    If grass is getting strong on ya can send ya over a few extra mouths to keep in in check :)


  • #8706
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Anyone else get there coop performance report?
    Ours is not accurate at all. Dunno what it's any good for tbh


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  • #8707
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    I see that fonterra's new mozzarella plant will be going all year round with farmers supplying winter milk for it, is this a start, or continuation, of production costs rising for the farmers over there? I know it prob makes up a small amount of volume for them but has tgere always been a winter milk element over there?


  • #8708
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Anyone else get there coop performance report?
    Ours is not accurate at all. Dunno what it's any good for tbh

    Got ours completely in accurate. No relation to icbf, don't know where info comes from.

    6 wk calving wrong
    CI wrong
    %heifers born in 6 weeks wrong
    % heifers calved <2 yrs wrong

    Irrevelant report and have thought so from the get go


  • #8709
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Anyone else get there coop performance report?
    Ours is not accurate at all. Dunno what it's any good for tbh

    Haven't checked ours yet, have u been updating icbf with dry off dates and the rest, have they the right acreage info for yer farm? if the info isn't right they can be out a bit plus they count all cows on farm I think including culls being fattened etc, so can effect figures that way too I think. May be no harm to give a ring about it as when we were sorting a loan last year the business manager was looking for it, so good to get it accurate for that as well as yourself


  • #8710
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Got ours completely in accurate. No relation to icbf, don't know where info comes from.

    6 wk calving wrong
    CI wrong
    %heifers born in 6 weeks wrong
    % heifers calved <2 yrs wrong

    Irrevelant report and have thought so from the get go

    Same here said cows did 11 l jan to march.
    Says we cakved 2 under 2 yr old when there was only 3 that calved over 2
    6 wk calving rate wrong also.
    Our kgs of solids are always wrong. Says we supply more than we have
    abigail Ryan said this before that they go off when first calf is dropped which is wrong your 6 wk calving rate should be taken off your due to start date

    And i entered dry off dates too


  • #8711
    trixi2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    Milked out wrote: »
    I see that fonterra's new mozzarella plant will be going all year round with farmers supplying winter milk for it, is this a start, or continuation, of production costs rising for the farmers over there? I know it prob makes up a small amount of volume for them but has tgere always been a winter milk element over there?

    Always been winter milk over there specific to areas close to the factory and large population bases AFAIK, think they still would be grass based systems 2


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  • #8712
    Cow Porter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Got ours completely in accurate. No relation to icbf, don't know where info comes from.

    6 wk calving wrong
    CI wrong
    %heifers born in 6 weeks wrong
    % heifers calved <2 yrs wrong

    Irrevelant report and have thought so from the get go

    on herdplus are ye recording cows that wont be bulled at To Be Culled?

    are ye changing the purpose of dry cull cows from milking to beef from the day they leave the parlour?

    are ye recording dry off dates?

    only thing i noticed was our milk solid drop in march - a result of holding a good bit of milk into april. must take a proper look now :o


  • #8713
    Cow Porter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    on herdplus are ye recording cows that wont be bulled at To Be Culled?

    are ye changing the purpose of dry cull cows from milking to beef from the day they leave the parlour?

    are ye recording dry off dates?

    only thing i noticed was our milk solid drop in march - a result of holding a good bit of milk into april. must take a proper look now :o

    all seems to be accuate enough in submission rate etc here. Like anything if your not recording enough info you wont get reliable info back,


  • #8714
    C0N0R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    trixi2011 wrote: »
    Always been winter milk over there specific to areas close to the factory and large population bases AFAIK, think they still would be grass based systems 2

    Aye would be referred to as town supply, some of the ones I came across seemed to be heading more towards a Holstein type cow. Farm I was working on calved down 90 autumn cows and milked a few carryover a through winter, synlait were offering a bonus for it but they didn't consider it after the one year, left them quite tight for grass in the first round even with having a higher cover going into winter. Luckily I left that farm when spring calvers were dried off but I heard it was an awful pain in the hole even though they were only milking 120.


  • #8715
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Fresh calved 2nd lac cow here with what I think was milk fever yesterday. She sat down in the holding yard, I thought she had just slipped so got her up, but she never ate her nuts, and was sitting down outside in the yard afew minutes later. I threw a bottle of calcium under the skin, and she has been ok since. She wouldn't be a huge yielding cow, and young and healthy otherwise. Am I likely to have an underlying problem? Cows are getting 2.5kg of a grass spec nut with plenty minerals and calcium etc, should I be uptting this. Could bump this up (but don't want to), or possibly add it into the water if I shell out for an new pump to drip feed it in. Or could it be anything else?


  • #8716
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    C0N0R wrote: »
    Aye would be referred to as town supply, some of the ones I came across seemed to be heading more towards a Holstein type cow. Farm I was working on calved down 90 autumn cows and milked a few carryover a through winter, synlait were offering a bonus for it but they didn't consider it after the one year, left them quite tight for grass in the first round even with having a higher cover going into winter. Luckily I left that farm when spring calvers were dried off but I heard it was an awful pain in the hole even though they were only milking 120.

    I assume maize can be grown over there relatively cheaply if they can grow lucerne as well? Would a winter diet or buffer be feasible for them


  • #8717
    C0N0R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Milked out wrote: »
    I assume maize can be grown over there relatively cheaply if they can grow lucerne as well? Would a winter diet or buffer be feasible for them

    Place I was were intending to use high quality bales and palm kernel. Yea maize would have been another option to.


  • #8718
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Fresh calved 2nd lac cow here with what I think was milk fever yesterday. She sat down in the holding yard, I thought she had just slipped so got her up, but she never ate her nuts, and was sitting down outside in the yard afew minutes later. I threw a bottle of calcium under the skin, and she has been ok since. She wouldn't be a huge yielding cow, and young and healthy otherwise. Am I likely to have an underlying problem? Cows are getting 2.5kg of a grass spec nut with plenty minerals and calcium etc, should I be uptting this. Could bump this up (but don't want to), or possibly add it into the water if I shell out for an new pump to drip feed it in. Or could it be anything else?
    I had a similar issue a couple of months ago with a fresh calved heifer
    She came in at the evening milking,sitting down every few mins.
    The cows were out by day at the time
    We called the vet,he covered her for loads of things and a bottle of calcium and we put her on a straw bed for the night
    Next day she was normal
    I concluded,she may have ate something while out that disagreed with her but don't know,we've had no issues with her since


  • #8719
    dar31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭dar31


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Fresh calved 2nd lac cow here with what I think was milk fever yesterday. She sat down in the holding yard, I thought she had just slipped so got her up, but she never ate her nuts, and was sitting down outside in the yard afew minutes later. I threw a bottle of calcium under the skin, and she has been ok since. She wouldn't be a huge yielding cow, and young and healthy otherwise. Am I likely to have an underlying problem? Cows are getting 2.5kg of a grass spec nut with plenty minerals and calcium etc, should I be uptting this. Could bump this up (but don't want to), or possibly add it into the water if I shell out for an new pump to drip feed it in. Or could it be anything else?

    Very important to give a second bottle 24 hrs later or cal Boluses the drop off after the first bottle can lead to sub clinical milk fever and sometimes a full relapse


  • #8720
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    dar31 wrote: »
    Very important to give a second bottle 24 hrs later or cal Boluses the drop off after the first bottle can lead to sub clinical milk fever and sometimes a full relapse

    100mls bottles take the hassle out of this at least, give it to her in the parlour.


  • #8721
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Fresh calved 2nd lac cow here with what I think was milk fever yesterday. She sat down in the holding yard, I thought she had just slipped so got her up, but she never ate her nuts, and was sitting down outside in the yard afew minutes later. I threw a bottle of calcium under the skin, and she has been ok since. She wouldn't be a huge yielding cow, and young and healthy otherwise. Am I likely to have an underlying problem? Cows are getting 2.5kg of a grass spec nut with plenty minerals and calcium etc, should I be uptting this. Could bump this up (but don't want to), or possibly add it into the water if I shell out for an new pump to drip feed it in. Or could it be anything else?

    You have to deal with the problem before calving or immediately after. Minerals in a few nuts won't do. They need call mag and lime in a feed usually barley and oats mix. If you don't do this try and give them some calf starter with a bit of calving mag and lime after calving.


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  • #8722
    milkprofit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭milkprofit


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Fresh calved 2nd lac cow here with what I think was milk fever yesterday. She sat down in the holding yard, I thought she had just slipped so got her up, but she never ate her nuts, and was sitting down outside in the yard afew minutes later. I threw a bottle of calcium under the skin, and she has been ok since. She wouldn't be a huge yielding cow, and young and healthy otherwise. Am I likely to have an underlying problem? Cows are getting 2.5kg of a grass spec nut with plenty minerals and calcium etc, should I be uptting this. Could bump this up (but don't want to), or possibly add it into the water if I shell out for an new pump to drip feed it in. Or could it be anything else?

    Don't feed grass before calving


  • #8723
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Timmaay wrote: »
    100mls bottles take the hassle out of this at least, give it to her in the parlour.
    how much do you give, we use the 400ml bottles , is it 4 x 100ml bottles or is the 100ml bottle as strong as 1 x 400ml bottle?


  • #8724
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    whelan2 wrote: »
    how much do you give, we use the 400ml bottles , is it 4 x 100ml bottles or is the 100ml bottle as strong as 1 x 400ml bottle?

    1 strong as 4


  • #8725
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Timmaay wrote: »
    1 strong as 4
    can it be given in the vein?


  • #8726
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    whelan2 wrote: »
    can it be given in the vein?

    Last cow here who was very bad with mf I fired it into the milk line, and then a 400ml bottle under the skin alongside a bottle of mg and she recovered quick.


  • #8727
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    on herdplus are ye recording cows that wont be bulled at To Be Culled?

    are ye changing the purpose of dry cull cows from milking to beef from the day they leave the parlour?

    are ye recording dry off dates?

    only thing i noticed was our milk solid drop in march - a result of holding a good bit of milk into april. must take a proper look now :o

    Yes on farm program but info may only be sent to icbf periodically.


  • #8728
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Put new tail paint on cows about 5 days ago. Bloody stuff has gone like a rock on them. Had a cow bulling yesterday and not a bit of it came off


  • #8729
    Cow Porter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Put new tail paint on cows about 5 days ago. Bloody stuff has gone like a rock on them. Had a cow bulling yesterday and not a bit of it came off

    What brand?


  • #8730
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Put new tail paint on cows about 5 days ago. Bloody stuff has gone like a rock on them. Had a cow bulling yesterday and not a bit of it came off

    Switched to spray on stuff this year finding it's coming of alot easier compared to paint and cleaner/easier to apply, using kamars as well just to be sure surprising how many you pick up with them when tail paint isn't removed our wet weather when you do be debating if the rain our the cow actually been bulling has removed the paint


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  • #8731
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    What brand?

    Just normal stuff in a can from coop. Always did the job. Going to have to rip it all off tonight


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