Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

That_Guy · 20-05-2015 09:06PM

gk5000 wrote: »

It affect my marriage because the legal basis for my marriage - which is a man and a woman, shall have to be expanded to include man+man, and woman+woman which is complicated.

It won't affect your marriage. Besides, there's nothing complicated about it. People get into relationships. They fall in love. They get married and they fight about stupid things just like everyone else in the world.

Doesn't sound that complicated to me.

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2015 09:06PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Tell us about your childhood.

All he wanted was an alpaca for Xmas

Gerry T · 20-05-2015 09:06PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How can he say they are not naturally homophobic? If you follow logic and reason it is far more likely that children would have a negative disposition to homosexuality. Natural instinct.

I don't agree, if adults weren't negative to gay people and accepted it, children would grow up seeing men kiss, hold hands. it would be natural for them. they wouldn't fear and it would be ok. I disagree that it would be natural instinct, its more a learned behaviour.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-05-2015 09:06PM

By anyone saying here that children are NOT born with a homophobic disposition it completely annihilates any pretense of argument they may have had by saying someone is born gay.

Argument won.

Zen65 · 20-05-2015 09:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I 100% agree with you. So can we stop this "born" gay, "naturally" gay nonsense and get down to the real issue - bad parenting.

Were you neglected as a tadpole?

Kiwi in IE · 20-05-2015 09:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It follows therefore that children are not naturally gay either. In fact it is FAR more plausible to say they would have a natural instinct to be homophobic then to be "born" gay.

And this is why it's a load of nonsense to be talking about "changing attitudes" - not going to happen.

Two 15 year olds, one is gay, one is homophobic.

What would be the likelihood of the gay kid having gay parents?

What would be the likelihood of the homophobic kid having homophobic parents?

molloyjh · 20-05-2015 09:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By anyone saying here that children are NOT born with a homophobic disposition it completely annihilates any pretense of argument they may have had by saying someone is born gay.

Argument won.

Comedy gold!

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2015 09:07PM

Zen65 wrote: »

Were you neglected as a tadpole?

psst... wrong poster quoted

Kiwi in IE · 20-05-2015 09:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By anyone saying here that children are NOT born with a homophobic disposition it completely annihilates any pretense of argument they may have had by saying someone is born gay.

Argument won.

Can you please explain how you supposedly 'won' the argument? I seem to have missed that!

Sonics2k · 20-05-2015 09:09PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By anyone saying here that children are NOT born with a homophobic disposition it completely annihilates any pretense of argument they may have had by saying someone is born gay.

Argument won.

That's a bigger load of nonsense than the guy claiming surrogacy would be banned completely if a No vote passes.

I mean really, do you realise what complete and utter rubbish you're saying?
It's not even funny, it's actually just depressing that someone can actually think you're making sense.

It makes about as much sense as people claiming Noah's Ark was a real event.

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2015 09:09PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Can you please explain how you supposedly 'won' the argument? I seem to have missed that!

Logic isn't easy when you're green.

That_Guy · 20-05-2015 09:11PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By anyone saying here that children are NOT born with a homophobic disposition it completely annihilates any pretense of argument they may have had by saying someone is born gay.

Argument won.

Ever hear of the social learning theory? Children from a young age emulate their behaviours from parents, role models and friends from an early age.

These are learned.

You can't teach a young person not to be gay. You can't teach feelings. Even a blind baby will smile without having ever seen anybody do it.

You can certainly teach them to be homophobic but why would you want to?

Kermit.de.frog · 20-05-2015 09:12PM

On the one hand yes voters here are saying "oh but people are born gay" and the other hand "oh but they are definitely not born anti homosexual!"

They want their cake and they want to eat it. They want to ignore the fact it is far more likely the latter than the former. Denial.

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2015 09:14PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

On the one hand yes voters here are saying "oh but people are born gay" and the other hand "oh but they are definitely not born anti homosexual!"

They want their cake and they want to eat it. They want to ignore the fact it is far more likely the latter than the former. Denial.

Did a gay sneer at your pond you poor thing?

wp_rathead · 20-05-2015 09:14PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By anyone saying here that children are NOT born with a homophobic disposition it completely annihilates any pretense of argument they may have had by saying someone is born gay.

Argument won.

you can be born Black/white/etc.
You are not born racist

how do you honestly not get this?

That_Guy · 20-05-2015 09:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

On the one hand yes voters here are saying "oh but people are born gay" and the other hand "oh but they are definitely not born anti homosexual!"

They want their cake and they want to eat it. They want to ignore the fact it is far more likely the latter than the former. Denial.

Denial... Oh the bloody irony.

SummerSummit · 20-05-2015 09:15PM

Founder of the Iona Institute David Quinn has reiterated calls for Friday's marriage equality referendum to be rejected.

He cited an example from New Zealand, where he said two men got married "as a joke" after same-sex couples were given the right in that country.

He also believes two people of the same sex might get married simply to enjoy tax breaks, if the Yes vote wins - and that would change the definition of marriage.

http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/2015/05/20/iona-institute-calls-for-defeat-of-marriage-referendum/

This guy is unreal. People don't get married for tax reasons. It doesn't make financial sense. Get divorced and be liable to lose half your assets and maintenance payments.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-05-2015 09:15PM

That_Guy wrote: »

You can't teach a young person not to be gay.

If you tell your kid to man up at a young age and encourage him that direction and don't have him over exposed to over feminine behaviour for a start who is to say it can't be taught? Same applies to women.

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2015 09:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you tell your kid to man up at a young age and encourage him that direction and don't have him over exposed to over feminine behaviour for a start who is to say it can't be taught? Same applies to women.

We should tell our daughters to man up?

What a strange froggy you are.

Vivisectus · 20-05-2015 09:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By anyone saying here that children are NOT born with a homophobic disposition it completely annihilates any pretense of argument they may have had by saying someone is born gay.

Argument won.

A homophobic disposition can be learned, while at the same time sexual orientation can be innate. There is no inherent contradiction there.

But either way, homophobia is senseless hate. It is despicable no matter where it comes from.

Kiwi in IE · 20-05-2015 09:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

On the one hand yes voters here are saying "oh but people are born gay" and the other hand "oh but they are definitely not born anti homosexual!"

They want their cake and they want to eat it. They want to ignore the fact it is far more likely the latter than the former. Denial.

You know there is a difference between a prejudice and a sexual orientation right? No?

That_Guy · 20-05-2015 09:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you tell your kid to man up at a young age and encourage him that direction and don't have him over exposed to over feminine behaviour for a start who is to say it can't be taught? Same applies to women.

I'm glad you're not my dad.... Christ.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-05-2015 09:18PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Did a gay sneer at your pond you poor thing?

Ah personal insults - the best sign you have lost the argument. I will merely repeat what I said that I suspect you can not counter.

On the one hand yes voters here are saying "oh but people are born gay" and the other hand "oh but they are definitely not born anti homosexual!"

They want their cake and they want to eat it. They want to ignore the fact it is far more likely the latter than the former. Denial.

My job is done. :cool:

LookingFor · 20-05-2015 09:19PM

SummerSummit wrote: »

This guy is unreal. People don't get married for tax reasons. It doesn't make financial sense. Get divorced and be liable to lose half your assets and maintenance payments.

It also completely ignores that two people can already do this. A straight guy and straight girl, or gay guy and straight girl, or gay guy and gay girl or straight guy and gay girl...

I'm kind of thinking he's at a stage in the debate where he guesses he might as well throw out ANYTHING and see if it sticks.

ronivek · 20-05-2015 09:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you tell your kid to man up at a young age and encourage him that direction and don't have him over exposed to over feminine behaviour for a start who is to say it can't be taught? Same applies to women.

Because homosexuality is caused by parents treating their son like a female and daughter like a male?

At least you have the courage to make your true feelings known; I suspect quite a few 'No' voters and advocates are denying their true reasons or at worst fabricating arguments to hide them.

drunkmonkey · 20-05-2015 09:20PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

What sort of bull**** is this? Children are not 'naturally straight' they only learn to mirror straight attitudes, if they have straight parents and 'role models'.

Is that what you were tying to say? Or who are the HB's you referred to?

It's probably a true statement.

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2015 09:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ah personal insults - the best sign you have lost the argument. I will merely repeat what I said that I suspect you can not counter.

On the one hand yes voters here are saying "oh but people are born gay" and the other hand "oh but they are definitely not born anti homosexual!"

They want their cake and they want to eat it. They want to ignore the fact it is far more likely the latter than the former. Denial.

My job is done. :cool:

Of course it is poppet.

Now off you go and drink your cocoa like a good little froggy.

That_Guy · 20-05-2015 09:21PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My job is done. :cool:

Thank fúck for that. Enjoy the homophobia kermy.

eviltwin · 20-05-2015 09:22PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you tell your kid to man up at a young age and encourage him that direction and don't have him over exposed to over feminine behaviour for a start who is to say it can't be taught? Same applies to women.

Even if that worked ( it doesn't ), why would you? Is there something shameful or wrong with having a gay child?

Kiwi in IE · 20-05-2015 09:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They want their cake and they want to eat it.

Yup gay cakes please! With pro equal marriage messages on them. Made by Ashers bakery!

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