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Police reveal at least 178 UK celebrities are suspected child sex offenders

  • 20-05-2015 07:55PM
    #1
    Boring username
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    Some 261 celebrities and politicians, including sports, TV and music stars, are being investigated for alleged child sex abuse, police have revealed.
    They are among more than 1,400 men suspected by police of being sex predators as the Home Secretary warned it is only the “tip of the iceberg”.
    The rogues gallery includes 135 TV, film and radio stars, 43 musicians and seven sports figures as well as 76 politicians, the officer in charge of the issue has disclosed.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11617789/Scale-of-child-sex-abuse-revealed-in-new-police-figures.html


    Ok, what the hell is going on here? This is unprecedented, I knew there were abnormal personalities getting into showbiz but the numbers involved here are almost beyond comprehension. And that's before we even mention the politicians and religious institutes. I used to think Colm O Gorman's claim that 1 in 4 people had been abused was far fetched-now it's starting to worry me that this is indeed the case.
    This rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper. I wonder if RTE is attracting the same sort of predators?


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  • #2
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Boring username wrote: »
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11617789/Scale-of-child-sex-abuse-revealed-in-new-police-figures.html


    Ok, what the hell is going on here? This is unprecedented, I knew there were abnormal personalities getting into showbiz but the numbers involved here are almost beyond comprehension. And that's before we even mention the politicians and religious institutes. I used to think Colm O Gorman's claim that 1 in 4 people had been abused was far fetched-now it's starting to worry me that this is indeed the case.
    This rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper. I wonder if RTE is attracting the same sort of predators?
    The percentage of celebs who are sex abusers is likely to be the same percentage as any other social group.

    The no of priests who are pedophiles is not actually higher than any other profession. It's just that they were hidden. Similarly it is not that there are a higher number of celebrities to are peados or rapists. They just might use their social power to evade justice. That is key to preventing it.

    I think it's best not to be alarmist or you lack credibility and people become jaded.


  • #3
    strobe
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    Suspected of being. They're being investigated.

    Still mad though.


  • #4
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    strobe wrote: »
    Suspected of being. They're being investigated.

    Still mad though.
    And some will be found guilty and some totally innocent.


  • #5
    Mechanical Clocktail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mechanical Clocktail


    It might not be due course but if these allegations are founded on actual police work then I don't think it would be a bad thing for a list of names to be leaked. Assuming that 1400 names haven't been compiled on nothing but hearsay.


  • #6
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    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    It might not be due course but if these allegations are founded on actual police work then I don't think it would be a bad thing for a list of names to be leaked. Assuming that 1400 names haven't been compiled on nothing but hearsay.

    It wouldn't be a bad thing. It'd be a terrible thing.

    All those names are innocent until proven guilty, but if the names were leaked they'd be tried in the court of public opinion.


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  • #7
    strobe
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    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    It might not be due course but if these allegations are founded on actual police work then I don't think it would be a bad thing for a list of names to be leaked. Assuming that 1400 names haven't been compiled on nothing but hearsay.

    I'd imagine that given the events of recent times and the criticisms surrounding them, that there would be at least some level of preliminary investigation into someone if an anonyomous letter arrived saying "my best friends nieces neighbors mate, heard off this girl this one time that 'celebrity x' did something to her in the pantry with the candle stick'. A name and shame policy probably isn't the way forward.


  • #8
    porsche959
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    I think what is more concerning is that while plenty of these celebs have been investigated and jailed if found guilty, there has not been a single arrest of a politician to date.


  • #9
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    It might not be due course but if these allegations are founded on actual police work then I don't think it would be a bad thing for a list of names to be leaked.

    It would ruin lives if even one or two of them were innocent. I'm willing to bet more than one or two are innocent.


  • #10
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    strobe wrote: »
    Suspected of being. They're being investigated.

    Still mad though.

    Quite right, I thought I had put suspected in the title. I must have deleted it by accident.


  • #11
    bjork
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    No suprise


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  • #12
    Eutow
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    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    It might not be due course but if these allegations are founded on actual police work then I don't think it would be a bad thing for a list of names to be leaked. Assuming that 1400 names haven't been compiled on nothing but hearsay.


    Why would you want them leaked before anybody has been found guilty? A trial could be thrown out because of leaks.


  • #13
    The Diabolical Monocle
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    Eutow wrote: »
    Why would you want them leaked before anybody has been found guilty? A trial could be thrown out because of leaks.

    The general public needs someone to demonize and throw rotten cabbage at, stop getting in the way of the fun with your justice stuff.

    What fun is it to spit at an empty police van.


  • #14
    strobe
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    Boring username wrote: »
    Quite right, I thought I had put suspected in the title. I must have deleted it by accident.

    If you click just after the last character in the thread title you can edit it if you want.


  • #15
    stimpson
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    silverfeather wrote: »

    The no of priests who are pedophiles is not actually higher than any other profession. It's just that they were hidden.


    Say there’s 200 million priests in the world, and 5% of them are paedophiles, that’s still only 10 million…


  • #16
    Eutow
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    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    The general public needs someone to demonize and throw rotten cabbage at, stop getting in the way of the fun with your justice stuff.

    What fun is it to spit at an empty police van.


    My bad, I will sharpen my pitchfork and practice my earnest face.


  • #17
    Mechanical Clocktail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mechanical Clocktail


    Candie wrote: »
    It wouldn't be a bad thing. It'd be a terrible thing.

    All those names are innocent until proven guilty, but if the names were leaked they'd be tried in the court of public opinion.

    As opposed to not being tried at all. Anyway, they are certainly not all innocent and I qualified my post with the assumption that there is evidence against them. I don't expect anyone influential will be implicated in person until after they're dead, and so a leak to a newspaper would go a long way. A decent editor with a set of balls could do some good. I don't trust in the police when it was them that did nothing for decades.


  • #18
    Mechanical Clocktail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mechanical Clocktail


    The media has a purpose beyond publishing celebrity photographs.


  • #19
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    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    As opposed to not being tried at all. Anyway, they are certainly not all innocent and I qualified my post with the assumption that there is evidence against them. I don't expect anyone influential will be implicated in person until after they're dead, and so a leak to a newspaper would go a long way. A decent editor with a set of balls could do some good. I don't trust in the police when it was them that did nothing for decades.

    The 'No smoke without fire' school of thought that's proved so reliable in the past.


  • #20
    Mechanical Clocktail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mechanical Clocktail


    Candie wrote: »
    The 'No smoke without fire' school of thought that's proved so reliable in the past.

    Great reply, you put some thought into it.


  • #21
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Candie wrote: »
    The 'No smoke without fire' school of thought that's proved so reliable in the past.

    Ironically the last year or so I have learned that if somebody is famous and looks a bit pedo ish they probably actually are =-O


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  • #22
    tritium
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    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    As opposed to not being tried at all. Anyway, they are certainly not all innocent and I qualified my post with the assumption that there is evidence against them. I don't expect anyone influential will be implicated in person until after they're dead, and so a leak to a newspaper would go a long way. A decent editor with a set of balls could do some good. I don't trust in the police when it was them that did nothing for decades.

    Oh well, on that logic we should publish an even larger list, since they still won't *all* be innocent. Would you care to provide your own details to add to that larger list?

    Yes I know you're just an innocent added randomly on little or no concrete reasoning, but just remember not everyone on this list is innocent.....

    We all have to have a set of balls and so some good after all.....


  • #23
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    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    Great reply, you put some thought into it.

    Whereas publishing the names of people against whom an as yet unproven allegation or who have some suspicion - not evidence, suspicion - against them is a wonderful idea and a great public service if the press would only do it.

    The fact that people are entitled to a fair, unbiased trial, and are innocent until proven guilty is completely beside the point. Right? I hope you never have an unfounded accusation publicly made against you, it would be a hard way to change your mind.


  • #24
    tritium
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    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Ironically the last year or so I have learned that if somebody is famous and looks a bit pedo ish they probably actually are =-O

    I realise you're being a bit tongue in cheek there, but there's a Michael laVelle for every Rolf Harris that's convicted.


  • #25
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    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Ironically the last year or so I have learned that if somebody is famous and looks a bit pedo ish they probably actually are =-O

    That's the important word there :)


  • #26
    Mechanical Clocktail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mechanical Clocktail


    Eutow wrote: »
    Why would you want them leaked before anybody has been found guilty? A trial could be thrown out because of leaks.
    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    The general public needs someone to demonize and throw rotten cabbage at, stop getting in the way of the fun with your justice stuff.

    What fun is it to spit at an empty police van.

    See my reply to candie above. Monocle, try not resorting to such boring ad hominem style replies.


  • #27
    Sheldons Brain
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    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    As opposed to not being tried at all. Anyway, they are certainly not all innocent and I qualified my post with the assumption that there is evidence against them. I don't expect anyone influential will be implicated in person until after they're dead, and so a leak to a newspaper would go a long way. A decent editor with a set of balls could do some good. I don't trust in the police when it was them that did nothing for decades.

    This is a disgraceful proposition. Celebrities have been prosecuted, Garry Litter and Rolf Harris come to mind and others will be if they are guilty. There is a real issue of guilt by association here, maybe you worked with Saville and Harris, it doesn't meant that you knew anything of their activities.


  • #28
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    Sheldons Brain wrote: »
    Garry Litter...

    His songs were rubbish.


  • #29
    Eutow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »
    See my reply to candie above. Monocle, try not resorting to such boring ad hominem style replies.


    I have and I believe you place too much faith in newspaper editors. Out of the print media (The Sun, The Mirror, Telegraph, Guardian etc etc) which one has an editor with balls to print the truth and not some hearsay and click-bait in order to increase sales?

    What reason would you want to know the names of people that have not got a guilty verdict against them, and nobody has even been charged with anything yet? There is no need to know the name of anybody until they are found guilty. It is just a way to create gossip, nothing more. It is certainly not in the public interest anyway.


  • #30
    Sheldons Brain
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    His songs were rubbish.

    Gary Litter was a tribute act, his best work was Do you want to be in my Bang.


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  • #31
    Mechanical Clocktail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mechanical Clocktail


    Eutow wrote: »
    I have and I believe you place too much faith in newspaper editors. Out of the print media (The Sun, The Mirror, Telegraph, Guardian etc etc) which one has an editor with balls to print the truth and not some hearsay and click-bait in order to increase sales?

    What reason would you want to know the names of people that have not got a guilty verdict against them, and nobody has even been charged with anything yet? There is no need to know the name of anybody until they are found guilty. It is just a way to create gossip, nothing more. It is certainly not in the public interest anyway.

    That's grand from a preachy detatched point of view. Now how long have these people operated? As far as anyone can tell, it's always. These 1400, you can assume these allegations go back decades. They're walking around now with how many molested children to their names? Politicians, policemen and members of the judiciary are said to be included.

    If you expect any actual prosecutions outside a couple of scapegoats then I think you'll be disappointed. The world's far from a perfect place. Talking about lofty justice is grand but it's fantasy too when you look at the state of things. These people have been sheltered and protected. We'll all be awaiting justice on this for quite some time.

    What I'm saying isn't clean or fair but it's a better alternative to how it is and how it has been. There isn't a question that child abuse might have been committed. It's the case that it has, and on an industrial scale.


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