Clare GAA discussion thread

keeponhurling · 15-05-2015 06:16PM

I guess the hurlers are higher profile than the footballers ( Div 1 and All-Ireland contenders versus Div 3 in the football), that's a factor too

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-05-2015 06:20PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I guess the hurlers are higher profile than the footballers ( Div 1 and All-Ireland contenders versus Div 3 in the football), that's a factor too

Fair point and I'd say your right

My view is it shouldn't matter in if crime is same penalty and profile should be same for both

I feel for sean in imo he's made an example if this was top county nothing be done regards it not same extent as sean
Sean deserved a ban fair enough but twelve weeks way too much when could be out by then
For manager gives so much to football imo very very harsh as it's first time I think doing this

keeponhurling · 15-05-2015 06:23PM

Hard to say if 12 weeks is harsh or not, without knowing exactly what was done/said

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-05-2015 06:48PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Hard to say if 12 weeks is harsh or not, without knowing exactly what was done/said

If this was Fitzmauirce or gavin or horan they wouldn't get twelve weeks

Fireball07 · 17-05-2015 01:03PM

Apparently he gave the linesman a bit of a push, trying to get him to tell the ref about a score.

You can't touch an official, hard to know whether 12 weeks is harsh, don't know what the precedent is.

And it's true, if Davy had done that, there would be absolute uproar. Part of it is down to most Clare people caring more about the hurlers, but also because the media don't really care about Clare football, while Davy is someone who draws interest. For all we know, there are people in Quilty, Doonbeg, Miltown Malbay, Cooraclare who are absolutely fuming with Colm Collins, you just wouldn't hear about it.

Mountainlad · 17-05-2015 01:40PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

Apparently he gave the linesman a bit of a push, trying to get him to tell the ref about a score.

You can't touch an official, hard to know whether 12 weeks is harsh, don't know what the precedent is.

And it's true, if Davy had done that, there would be absolute uproar. Part of it is down to most Clare people caring more about the hurlers, but also because the media don't really care about Clare football, while Davy is someone who draws interest. For all we know, there are people in Quilty, Doonbeg, Miltown Malbay, Cooraclare who are absolutely fuming with Colm Collins, you just wouldn't hear about it.

Paul Galvin got it for slapping the notebook so I guess that's the precedent.

keeponhurling · 18-05-2015 06:19PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

Apparently he gave the linesman a bit of a push, trying to get him to tell the ref about a score.

You can't touch an official, hard to know whether 12 weeks is harsh, don't know what the precedent is.

Officials don't need that sort of hassle or intimidation.
12 weeks sounds well deserved to me.

Speculating the somebody else would or might have got something different is just whataboutery

thinkstoomuch1 · 20-05-2015 11:15AM

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/shane-o-donnell-claims-disciplinary-row-brought-clare-squad-closer-together-1.2218630
Another player to speak in defence management saying they were all happy with the dealing of it
I said this before the players seemed united and they have spoken nothing to the contrary since

Benbecul97 · 20-05-2015 11:46AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/shane-o-donnell-claims-disciplinary-row-brought-clare-squad-closer-together-1.2218630
Another player to speak in defence management saying they were all happy with the dealing of it
I said this before the players seemed united and they have spoken nothing to the contrary since

“We were all fairly content with the way everything was dealt with. We didn’t get involved, and everybody was fairly happy with it."

Fairly, but not 100%??

sasol · 20-05-2015 12:21PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/shane-o-donnell-claims-disciplinary-row-brought-clare-squad-closer-together-1.2218630
Another player to speak in defence management saying they were all happy with the dealing of it
I said this before the players seemed united and they have spoken nothing to the contrary since

Seriously . What else was he going to say !!!

thinkstoomuch1 · 20-05-2015 01:13PM

sasol wrote: »

Seriously . What else was he going to say !!!

Your unbelievable seriously

But if a whiff discontent came out v Davy you would totally say oh real real meaning
Mother Theresa backed Davy this stage she's be accused lying

Imo your actually calling what donnell says as lies cause your saying it's not true in what else could he say
He said it like galvin like louganne o Connor daly etc no real problem within
How many more examples do ye need

I notice clare thread very quiet towards actual talk bout match
If clsre loose have no doubt come a minute after match Davy be critsed

I had felt clare would won and injuries some were smoke screen but it seems now shanahan mcgrath Ryan could be out
They would imo have panel overcome Collins and course galvin but adding in others and bulger being out its not inconceivable clare could well loose Sunday with out Davy be to fault

Podge was always going go with father
Galvin was always wanting to travel but said he'll be back
Limerick look like injuries they have well strengthen their team with a faster pacier half back line and breen not starting imo won't weaken them
Clare injuries on the contrary weaken clare no end
People using words like fairly as oh just fairly content they said in he's interview as well not convinced still
Imo that's just pedantic now to be fair
Donnell clearly said clare were always a united panel
He's strong character so I doubt he'd go along with things if they were bad
With the greatest respect your one line counter debate shows how hard it's to actually find an argument against Davy this stage over recent row when evidence for him been compelling with only circumstanceal evidence by one player against him and course nick o connell coming back apologies panel shows Davy was vindicated
Davy is no angel but it's totally wrong the picture tried paint against him when players totally belive in him

sasol · 20-05-2015 02:05PM

Your unbelievable seriously

Please explain ?

Do you really think that if Shane had a problem with management, that he was going to expose them to the national media on the week of championship ? Are you really that naïve ?

You could be well be right and perhaps Shane has no problem. But problem , or no problem , Shane or any other hurler for that matter, was always going to give a response such as that.

But if a whiff discontent came out v Davy you would totally say oh real
real meaning

Why would I say that ? Again, please explain.

I have not engaged in Davy bashing , so I am a little bewildered.

There are very serious issues in Clare hurling at the moment. There is little to be gained from discussing them here, but it is obvious you are not privy to them.

thinkstoomuch1 · 20-05-2015 02:17PM

sasol wrote: »

Please explain ?

Do you really think that if Shane had a problem with management, that he was going to expose them to the national media on the week of championship ? Are you really that naïve ?

You could be well be right and perhaps Shane has no problem. But problem , or no problem , Shane or any other hurler for that matter, was always going to give a response such as that.

Why would I say that ? Again, please explain.

I have not engaged in Davy bashing , so I am a little bewildered.

There are very serious issues in Clare hurling at the moment. There is little to be gained from discussing them here, but it is obvious you are not privy to them.

But look all we can go on in players say

Galvin left and could left it at that
He didn't he actually praised went out he's way praise Davy
Donnell praises him here in their united
Nick o connell apologies did he not

I have people I know in clare and yes we're issues but nothing like a minority here be fair now added two and two got hundred

Again no one absolutely no one backed halloran claims bar course connell but he came back and he deserves credit for that

But if people don't want discuss issues clare hurling and say no point mentioned them here fair enough that's understandable but by the same token they should not pick and choose what when say just go against Davy

I saw in the waterford thread regards Davy
There fast enough to say oh he was bad in Waterford hurling they could tell a story upon story etc about Davy usual nonsense imo

Yet when one of their own mcgrath was questioned by another poster and others regards Waterford discipline within some who fast to question Davy say today look no benefit discussing any such problems within mcgrath team if they exist as it does no good

But it's one rule for everyone one else and one for Davy
Bottom line imo a proven manager like Davy deserves better as Waterford greatest manager imo in last while getting them to an all Ireland and among clare best ever at moment only second to louganne as he won two all Ireland and should had three weeks

keeponhurling · 20-05-2015 05:46PM

We're not starting another Davy debate are we....:(

letowski · 20-05-2015 07:12PM

Id give Davy a good bit of credit TTM, if he can get the win on Sunday, even not allowing for the fact we could be without half our starting team. He has a huge role to play as its quite obvious Clare will have to play to a highly systematic gameplan if they are to win. If the game goes in anyway traditional, frentic, hip'n'whip whatever, we havent a hope as it would suit Limerick down to the ground.
The big worry for me, which hasnt changed all year, will be the sharpness and accuracy in our hurling as were going to be looking again to placing huge emphasis on our short/running game. Davys teams, going back to his time with Waterford, have been notorious slow c'ship starters and the fact we dont have a skills trainer this year makes me worried.
I think we can still do it on Sunday nonetheless. Im taking heart in the fact Limerick seem to be setting up defensively to deal with us, and it could make for the type of game that would suit us. If they go with 5 forwards, they will have to bring a strong short game, something they could potentially really struggle at as they dont have great sticksmen at the back to execute it, kinda like the start of last year under O'Grady.
I think it might be a bit of a nervous, scrappy affair on Sunday but close though.

cnoc · 20-05-2015 07:37PM

letowski wrote: »

Id give Davy a good bit of credit TTM, if he can get the win on Sunday, even not allowing for the fact we could be without half our starting team. He has a huge role to play as its quite obvious Clare will have to play to a highly systematic gameplan if they are to win. If the game goes in anyway traditional, frentic, hip'n'whip whatever, we havent a hope as it would suit Limerick down to the ground.
The big worry for me, which hasnt changed all year, will be the sharpness and accuracy in our hurling as were going to be looking again to placing huge emphasis on our short/running game. Davys teams, going back to his time with Waterford, have been notorious slow c'ship starters and the fact we dont have a skills trainer this year makes me worried.
I think we can still do it on Sunday nonetheless. Im taking heart in the fact Limerick seem to be setting up defensively to deal with us, and it could make for the type of game that would suit us. If they go with 5 forwards, they will have to bring a strong short game, something they could potentially really struggle at as they dont have great sticksmen at the back to execute it, kinda like the start of last year under O'Grady.
I think it might be a bit of a nervous, scrappy affair on Sunday but close though.

Do you think the Tony Kelly / Shane O'Donnell "partnership" will work on Sunday, as it did against KK in the League?

Vanolder · 20-05-2015 08:18PM

letowski wrote: »

Id give Davy a good bit of credit TTM, if he can get the win on Sunday, even not allowing for the fact we could be without half our starting team. He has a huge role to play as its quite obvious Clare will have to play to a highly systematic gameplan if they are to win. If the game goes in anyway traditional, frentic, hip'n'whip whatever, we havent a hope as it would suit Limerick down to the ground.
The big worry for me, which hasnt changed all year, will be the sharpness and accuracy in our hurling as were going to be looking again to placing huge emphasis on our short/running game. Davys teams, going back to his time with Waterford, have been notorious slow c'ship starters and the fact we dont have a skills trainer this year makes me worried.
I think we can still do it on Sunday nonetheless. Im taking heart in the fact Limerick seem to be setting up defensively to deal with us, and it could make for the type of game that would suit us. If they go with 5 forwards, they will have to bring a strong short game, something they could potentially really struggle at as they dont have great sticksmen at the back to execute it, kinda like the start of last year under O'Grady.
I think it might be a bit of a nervous, scrappy affair on Sunday but close though.

Limerick are also without half their team...

PTH2009 · 20-05-2015 08:55PM

Coming from a waterford man I think Clare will win Munster this year

Would love a waterford v Clare munster final

Warper · 20-05-2015 09:18PM

I was hopeful about Sunday but didnt realise we are missing 5 All-stars from 2 years ago. Its going to be tough, heard Limerick hammered Galway in a challenge match but suppose cant read too much into that. Looking forward to it. Ger Loughnane gave a great chat on Off the Ball tonight - worth checking out

Niallers87 · 20-05-2015 09:20PM

Warper wrote: »

I was hopeful about Sunday but didnt realise we are missing 5 All-stars from 2 years ago. Its going to be tough, heard Limerick hammered Galway in a challenge match but suppose cant read too much into that. Looking forward to it. Ger Loughnane gave a great chat on Off the Ball tonight - worth checking out

you wouldnt have a link handy for it would you?

Warper · 20-05-2015 09:25PM

Niallers87 wrote: »

you wouldnt have a link handy for it would you?

I dont but it should be on the Newstalk website

letowski · 20-05-2015 09:26PM

cnoc wrote:

Do you think the Tony Kelly / Shane O'Donnell "partnership" will work on Sunday, as it did against KK in the League?

My gut feeling, I think they will find it difficult. Against KK the forward setup was quite bizarre actually, Davy practically left the whole left side void by bringing Colin Ryan out to midfield and Reidy roaming in and out. It worked well as there was loads of space for Sod to run into and Kelly to play off. For instance Sods first goal happened as he let the ball go 20yrds straight past him and Myrphy from right to left, as he knew nobody was there on the other side.
I dont know will Davy play this way, but I feel Tj has it right if he plays O'Mahony in front of Sod. Kelly and Sod I feel are better dealt with by cutting of the space and supply than being man marked. If O'Mahony does this it may be hard. Its then you wish Podge and McGrath were playing/fully fit. They're movement is outstanding both on and off the ball in creating space for others. I think we will need a big game for young Reidy on his first day out.
Space has always been king for these group of players.

Clareman · 20-05-2015 09:46PM

Hurling
Speaking with a couple of players, there's some fairly serious injury doubts, apparently there was a fair intensive weekend away last week, 3 sessions over the weekend and a couple of serious injuries.

In regards to the match itself, looking at the 2 teams since they last played each other, Clare have won 1 match (All Ireland final

) whereas Limerick have beaten Tipp and well beat the team which knocked Clare out and had 2 tight games with Cork and Tipp.

I've no doubt that a full strength Clare would beat a full strength Limerick, both teams are missing key players, hearing from challenges both teams are having similar results. IT has been a very very long time since either team has had a back to back result against the other.

In regards to the result, if Clare can keep their discipline and not get anyone sent off I think we'll win.

Football
By all accounts they are going great guns and are playing out of their skin, talk of them being the fittest team in the country, we hear that every year so I wouldn't take much into it. I think we'll win by about 5 points.

thinkstoomuch1 · 21-05-2015 03:21PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/clare-ready-to-put-on-a-performance-predicts-colin-ryan-332011.html
Very postive regards clare management particularly part Davy is very fair manager
Great to see yet another player speak out in admiration for him
I would have no doubt clare win even without galvin and Collins but shanahan Ryan bulger and mcgrath meant be all out its huge huge ask for clare
Limerick seems to finally accepted play sweeper and injuries breen and Wayne mac seems strengthened them in limerick now have pace at half back and if pick lynch creativity up front
I from the start always felt clare would win but injuries are mounting
Most important thing imo is clare look keep perspective who likely come back so wouldn't rule out fully fit clare yet down the line

I certainly have such confidence and faith in Davy clare hurling that wouldn't say it's beyond them Sunday but we'll have to see what team he fields
No doubt clare been unlucky with injuries which be fair Davy can't be blamed for as injury and paticularly hamstring injury are common place now

Vanolder · 21-05-2015 04:18PM

Clareman wrote: »

Hurling
Speaking with a couple of players, there's some fairly serious injury doubts, apparently there was a fair intensive weekend away last week, 3 sessions over the weekend and a couple of serious injuries.

In regards to the match itself, looking at the 2 teams since they last played each other, Clare have won 1 match (All Ireland final ) whereas Limerick have beaten Tipp and well beat the team which knocked Clare out and had 2 tight games with Cork and Tipp.

I've no doubt that a full strength Clare would beat a full strength Limerick, both teams are missing key players, hearing from challenges both teams are having similar results. IT has been a very very long time since either team has had a back to back result against the other.

In regards to the result, if Clare can keep their discipline and not get anyone sent off I think we'll win.

Football
By all accounts they are going great guns and are playing out of their skin, talk of them being the fittest team in the country, we hear that every year so I wouldn't take much into it. I think we'll win by about 5 points.

You've no doubt? That's the kind of arrogance that led to Clare being beat by Wexford last year. A soft all Ireland does not make you world beaters- there's nothing between Limerick and Clare on any day- always a 50/50 game going into it.

thinkstoomuch1 · 21-05-2015 04:43PM

Vanolder wrote: »

You've no doubt? That's the kind of arrogance that led to Clare being beat by Wexford last year. A soft all Ireland does not make you world beaters- there's nothing between Limerick and Clare on any day- always a 50/50 game going into it.

Arrogance is absolutely one hundred per cent justified in all sports if it's backed up with logic imo
All the great great I mean really really great sport people ruby Walsh tony McCoy's the Nadal the mourinho the mcguiness Davy Fitzgerald cody Fitzmauirce van gal even Joel schmidt all are arrogant in one way or another but there absolutely justified as there all winners and at the top of their sports to be fair

No doubt clare having lost an all ireland minor to highly rated kk by a point won three all Ireland under twenty one titles row and equaled limerick great record but went forward by winning senior all Ireland there absolutely having achieved so so much so young entitled be arrogant imo as it's an acceptable trait in proven winners

Clare absolutely dominated limerick and cork so it wasn't a flukey all Ireland and even if so fact remains clare fully fit team dominated limerick then nothing say limerick would beat them fully fit teams

Sunday will be close and limerick could win due to injury clare but I'd agree clare lads bulger galvin Collins shanahan mcgrath Ryan clare would win

With all the injured players it's fair to say limerick have to win as they don't there's huge questions over them where clare know without injured lads once fit they will get stronger but even limerick fans doubt Wayne mac and breen strengthen limerick any great deal as limerick better players so bar tom Ryan who should start if limerick loose there's huge pressure on them
I think clare were tired last year and second season syndrome had an effect
In fairness limerick can hardly accuse clare of arrogance when in the lead up to the semi final two years ago limerick majority gave clare no chance and expected clare to just roll over despite limerick having done nothing in the lead up to the game to justify confidence to a huge degree

Mehapoy · 21-05-2015 05:03PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Arrogance is absolutely one hundred per cent justified in all sports if it's backed up with logic imo
All the great great I mean really really great sport people ruby Walsh tony McCoy's the Nadal the mourinho the mcguiness Davy Fitzgerald cody Fitzmauirce van gal even Joel schmidt all are arrogant in one way or another but there absolutely justified as there all winners and at the top of their sports to be fair

No doubt clare having lost an all ireland minor to highly rated kk by a point won three all Ireland under twenty one titles row and equaled limerick great record but went forward by winning senior all Ireland there absolutely having achieved so so much so young entitled be arrogant imo as it's an acceptable trait in proven winners

Clare absolutely dominated limerick and cork so it wasn't a flukey all Ireland and even if so fact remains clare fully fit team dominated limerick then nothing say limerick would beat them fully fit teams

Sunday will be close and limerick could win due to injury clare but I'd agree clare lads bulger galvin Collins shanahan mcgrath Ryan clare would win

With all the injured players it's fair to say limerick have to win as they don't there's huge questions over them where clare know without injured lads once fit they will get stronger but even limerick fans doubt Wayne mac and breen strengthen limerick any great deal as limerick better players so bar tom Ryan who should start if limerick loose there's huge pressure on them
I think clare were tired last year and second season syndrome had an effect
In fairness limerick can hardly accuse clare of arrogance when in the lead up to the semi final two years ago limerick majority gave clare no chance and expected clare to just roll over despite limerick having done nothing in the lead up to the game to justify confidence to a huge degree

There was confidence in limerick that they could beat Clare, simply because up to then they had won a Munster title and Clare hadn't won anything...Clare are missing, is it 1 player from injury, McGrath, the rest have chosen not to play for Clare or are suspended so it's a little disingenuous to claim that a full strength Clare would beat limerick, this is a full strength Clare, besides McGrath and bugler...still the game will be close, Clare need to get a performance or the 2013 all Ireland will start to be devalued in many eyes and Davy will be under pressure to keep his role..,

thinkstoomuch1 · 21-05-2015 05:35PM

Mehapoy wrote: »

There was confidence in limerick that they could beat Clare, simply because up to then they had won a Munster title and Clare hadn't won anything...Clare are missing, is it 1 player from injury, McGrath, the rest have chosen not to play for Clare or are suspended so it's a little disingenuous to claim that a full strength Clare would beat limerick, this is a full strength Clare, besides McGrath and bugler...still the game will be close, Clare need to get a performance or the 2013 all Ireland will start to be devalued in many eyes and Davy will be under pressure to keep his role..,

How is it

The two I named galvin and Collins firstly yes fair enough Collins played football always likely as he's dad is a manager football blood always thicker than water
Galvin as he said himself and Ryan today always wanted go travelling but galvin will be back

Whether it's by injury or suspension it's irrelevant in Ryan mcgrath shanahan and bulger are all huge doubts or definitely out so if you count them one by one that's actually a grand total of four who could be out

Clare win won't or can't be devalued as it's all Ireland win when they destroyed limerick so much took foot of the gas and cork in the replay and playing wonderful attacking flowing awesome style attacking hurling they gave hurling a new lease of life

Limerick unlike clare have no under twenty one all Ireland or senior to show so this limerick team been around for a while and it's now or never as you don't make hay while sun shines like Kildare football waterford hurling when they were dominate time passes you by
Clare loose Sunday with all the injured players imo they having won four all Ireland as a group know they can win where limerick loose it's an absolute disaster as they loose at home with stronger team huge huge pressure on tj and after dismal league when should got promoted serious questions remarks remain over them and clsre have performed in croke park something limerick teams hsve never done so imo clare won't be devalued really but limerick progress last two years will be severely questioned in all the big games they loose

Clsre are better equipped with fit panel to come through the back door this limerick team are not
Clare trouble in the camp came at the perfect time in it allowed clare time to heal however limerick tweet regards goal keeper situation certainly puts unnecessary pressure on the team in a key week and as daly said today clare need bit trouble to focus the minds where you look at limerick they don't handle trouble too well but unlike clare who solved there's if limerick loose this trouble over apparently politics camp that was said by tweet could suddenly take momentum

Deise_2012 · 21-05-2015 05:50PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

How is it

The two I named galvin and Collins firstly yes fair enough Collins played football always likely as he's dad is a manager football blood always thicker than water
Galvin as he said himself and Ryan today always wanted go travelling but galvin will be back

Whether it's by injury or suspension it's irrelevant in Ryan mcgrath shanahan and bulger are all huge doubts or definitely out so if you count them one by one that's actually a grand total of four who could be out

Clare win won't or can't be devalued as it's all Ireland win when they destroyed limerick so much took foot of the gas and cork in the replay and playing wonderful attacking flowing awesome style attacking hurling they gave hurling a new lease of life

Limerick unlike clare have no under twenty one all Ireland or senior to show so this limerick team been around for a while and it's now or never as you don't make hay while sun shines like Kildare football waterford hurling when they were dominate time passes you by
Clare loose Sunday with all the injured players imo they having won four all Ireland as a group know they can win where limerick loose it's an absolute disaster as they loose at home with stronger team huge huge pressure on tj and after dismal league when should got promoted serious questions remarks remain over them and clsre have performed in croke park something limerick teams hsve never done so imo clare won't be devalued really but limerick progress last two years will be severely questioned in all the big games they loose

Clsre are better equipped with fit panel to come through the back door this limerick team are not
Clare trouble in the camp came at the perfect time in it allowed clare time to heal however limerick tweet regards goal keeper situation certainly puts unnecessary pressure on the team in a key week and as daly said today clare need bit trouble to focus the minds where you look at limerick they don't handle trouble too well but unlike clare who solved there's if limerick loose this trouble over apparently politics camp that was said by tweet could suddenly take momentum

Is Davy Fitz your father? The fact that you keep writing these essays time and time again, doesn't make them a fact. Davy Fitz is an average manager, with serious passion for the game. You'd swear he created hurling the way you talk about him. They were fortunate enough in 2013 that they came up against a Wexford team in transition, they played well v a poor Galway side, Limerick sh*t the bricks in Croker and they beat a very poor Cork side in the final, only for Nash's penalties they wouldn't have stayed in the game.
Stop talking about Waterford hurling in such a disrepecting way also, the cheek of you, long gone are the days where Cork hammer Waterford out the gate, you're comparing Waterford hurling to Kildare football, come off it boy.
Any manager in Ireland would have loved to have had the Clare panel in 2014, looking at the potential of the team I was quite jealous, but for them not to win a game in the championship is unacceptable, Davy Fitz is not all you make him out to be

niallo27 · 21-05-2015 05:51PM

Give me a soft all Ireland any day over a hard one.

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