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Bxe engine!

  • 19-05-2015 07:49PM
    #1
    mickwat155
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭


    Hey all,

    Im looking for peoples thoughts and opinions and even experiences whether its good or bad on the bxe engine..

    Ive seen on English forums they got a bad review.. conrods been put through the block and new engines been fitted.. but it was brought down to poor service history and longlife oil changes.. ive a mechanic friend who has had three cars with bxe engines and no problems.. so would they be a good all rounder with a fully stamped service history? ive probably answered my own question already but the more info the better.

    im basing my query on the 2008 leon 1.9

    Thanks all :)


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  • #2
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    Your mechanic friend's cars are ticking time bombs. That's all that can be said.


  • #3
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,896 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    mickwat155 wrote: »
    Hey all,

    Im looking for peoples thoughts and opinions and even experiences whether its good or bad on the bxe engine..

    Ive seen on English forums they got a bad review.. conrods been put through the block and new engines been fitted.. but it was brought down to poor service history and longlife oil changes.. ive a mechanic friend who has had three cars with bxe engines and no problems.. so would they be a good all rounder with a fully stamped service history? ive probably answered my own question already but the more info the better.

    im basing my query on the 2008 leon 1.9

    Thanks all :)

    As far as I'm aware, the bxe is highly likely to collapse is a heap with a big hole in the side of the block. I don't think servicing to the book is any guarantee either.


  • #4
    Bpmull
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭Bpmull


    I know of one case of a 2008 passat full vw service history serviced before interal if anything one owner minded like a baby a few months ago 65k miles conrod straight out through the block. There is no accounting for it or quantifying or predicting whether or not it will go.

    You will always be taking a certain amount of a chance buying one although I suppose you take a chance with any second hand car but this is a known fault. So basically you need to ask yourself can you deal with the engine going in this in 6 months and move on and say sh!t happens if not you need to look elsewhere. As there are no cheap fixes to the problem.


  • #5
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Statistically, how many of them actually do this?


  • #6
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    Statistically how many don't?


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  • #7
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I'll tell you once someone gives me a rough percentage of the ones that do.

    As an example, there were 1700- odd 1.9 tdi Octavias registered in 2008 here.
    There were 5000 Volkswagen 1.9 tdis regged in 08

    8200 Audi/seat/skoda/vw 08 1.9 tdis

    Would these be likely to have BXE?

    We aren't falling over scrapped uncrashed vws, so whilst it clearly happens, I don't think it's a huge percentage.


  • #8
    dgt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Doesn't the BLS suffer too?

    As far as I understand from what I've been told its sh*te rods, something to do with the way they're made. A BKC will fit right in and has only minor differences (compression ratio, an engine mount and some pipework) again so I've been told. Maybe Mr Dalton can shed some light if theres truth to that?

    I have heard of people adapting the older pd engines to fit


  • #9
    Bpmull
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭Bpmull


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Statistically, how many of them actually do this?

    I suppose no one knows but you are probably talking a few out of every hundredh. But even if it's only 3 out of 100 that's still high risk. As risk is made up of probability and severity. Probability low unlikely to happen severity very high as car is basically write off unless you can find a replacement secondhand engie and fit it and they are like gold dust.


  • #10
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    dgt wrote: »
    Doesn't the BLS suffer too?

    As far as I understand from what I've been told its sh*te rods, something to do with the way they're made. A BKC will fit right in and has only minor differences (compression ratio, an engine mount and some pipework) again so I've been told. Maybe Mr Dalton can shed some light if theres truth to that?

    I have heard of people adapting the older pd engines to fit

    Very easy adapt all above.


  • #11
    mickwat155
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭mickwat155


    To follow up on this would the axr engine be any better? I've my daily with an axr engine an I've had it since last April an the only thing to go wrong since I've owed it was the power steering pump to fail an that's it really..


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  • #12
    Bpmull
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭Bpmull


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    I'll tell you once someone gives me a rough percentage of the ones that do.

    As an example, there were 1700- odd 1.9 tdi Octavias registered in 2008 here.
    There were 5000 Volkswagen 1.9 tdis regged in 08

    8200 Audi/seat/skoda/vw 08 1.9 tdis

    Would these be likely to have BXE?


    We aren't falling over scrapped uncrashed vws, so whilst it clearly happens, I don't think it's a huge percentage.

    Sure almost anything vag 2008 1.9tdi would be bxe with the exception of some octavia mk1 wtc that sold in small numbers although even they might be bxe. Well there is a certain amount getting new engines put into them. Or secondhand bxe bkc engines. Id personally think in and around 1% but then no one including vw no for sure.
    dgt wrote: »
    Doesn't the BLS suffer too?

    As far as I understand from what I've been told its sh*te rods, something to do with the way they're made. A BKC will fit right in and has only minor differences (compression ratio, an engine mount and some pipework) again so I've been told. Maybe Mr Dalton can shed some light if theres truth to that?

    I have heard of people adapting the older pd engines to fit

    Yep the conrods are smaller lighter so less material was used in the bxe compared to older engines. And of course overtime you have your stress, strain, fatigue loading, thermal fatigue on the piece of metal and of course one day it just gives up.


  • #13
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    mickwat155 wrote: »
    Hey all,

    Im looking for peoples thoughts and opinions and even experiences whether its good or bad on the bxe engine..

    Ive seen on English forums they got a bad review.. conrods been put through the block and new engines been fitted.. but it was brought down to poor service history and longlife oil changes.. ive a mechanic friend who has had three cars with bxe engines and no problems.. so would they be a good all rounder with a fully stamped service history? ive probably answered my own question already but the more info the better.

    im basing my query on the 2008 leon 1.9

    Thanks all :)

    Not really down to poor servicing. The bottom end shell bearings collapse regardless of servicing. Changing the shell bearings every so often may prevent a conrod out through the block scenario.


  • #14
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,896 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    Not really down to poor servicing. The bottom end shell bearings collapse regardless of servicing. Changing the shell bearings every so often may prevent a conrod out through the block scenario.
    That would seem to be a sensible bit of preventative work if it is those bearings that fail.


  • #15
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    Its a solution but it wont come cheap and at what interval?


  • #16
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Tony Beetroot wrote: »
    Its a solution but it wont come cheap and at what interval?

    Actually the bearing are not that complicated to do at all. At the end of the day it could end up saving you having to pay for a new engine. There is no real interval for bearing replacement but imo every 40 to 50k should suffice.


  • #17
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    Is that kilometers?


  • #18
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Tony Beetroot wrote: »
    Is that kilometers?

    Miles. It's just my own opinion though. Others might do them sooner or later. I wouldn't be leaving them much later than that though tbh.


  • #19
    Interslice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Interslice


    **** that. It could still go on you. Drive it until it goes bang and stick in a decent engine.


  • #20
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    Miles. It's just my own opinion though. Others might do them sooner or later. I wouldn't be leaving them much later than that though tbh.

    Its preventative maintenance for sure, what would the average cost be?


  • #21
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Interslice wrote: »
    **** that. It could still go on you. Drive it until it goes bang and stick in a decent engine.

    Failed bearings is usually the cause of the conrod flying out through the block. Changing the bearings every so often is not really that big of a job nor is it that expensive.

    It's well worth it imo and tbh I'd rather lessen the chances of it happening by doing this preventative maintenance every so often rather than just drive on and hope for the best, which could end up costing you a lot more In the long run.

    Of course there is always a chance that it could still go but you won't have much lost by doing this preventative maintenance and it could end up saving you a lot of hassle and money at the end of the day.


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  • #22
    Interslice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Interslice


    If it were a dear tax renault causing this hassle no one would touch them! I see your point but sounds like alot of hassle tbh. Plenty of other cars out there without a 50k mile service interval on their crank.


  • #23
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,896 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Interslice wrote: »
    If it were a dear tax renault causing this hassle no one would touch them! I see your point but sounds like alot of hassle tbh. Plenty of other cars out there without a 50k mile service interval on their crank.
    Yes but if you happen to own one, it is a reasonable route to go.


  • #24
    Interslice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Interslice


    mickdw wrote: »
    Yes but if you happen to own one, it is a reasonable route to go.


    It is but I still reckon the OP is better off looking elsewhere. At the end of the day you buy a diesel to cut down on running costs. They are coming up on 7 years old now so many are over 100k miles. General engine problems, timing belt intervals and the dmf/turbo risk are all starting to factor in. With the bearing problem you could be easily up near 4 figures on just servicing and preventative maintainance when you buy the car.


  • #25
    DraganGTD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭DraganGTD


    I own 1.9 tdi Golf from new with BXE engine and never heard about this issue until I saw this tread. The car has got 120k (km) and reading now from other UK forums it looks like I should change it for future precautions but if anybody knows how much it would cost if doing it at the main dealer?


  • #26
    166man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭166man


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    Failed bearings is usually the cause of the conrod flying out through the block. Changing the bearings every so often is not really that big of a job nor is it that expensive.

    It's well worth it imo and tbh I'd rather lessen the chances of it happening by doing this preventative maintenance every so often rather than just drive on and hope for the best, which could end up costing you a lot more In the long run.

    Of course there is always a chance that it could still go but you won't have much lost by doing this preventative maintenance and it could end up saving you a lot of hassle and money at the end of the day.

    What kind of money would you be talking to do this job anyhow? It'd get pretty expensive if you were doing it every 18 months by the sounds of things. Unnecessary hassle imo, if you don't want the stress just buy something else. :)


  • #27
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    166man wrote: »
    What kind of money would you be talking to do this job anyhow? It'd get pretty expensive if you were doing it every 18 months by the sounds of things. Unnecessary hassle imo, if you don't want the stress just buy something else. :)

    You have very bad understanding of it.


  • #28
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Hmmmm maybe a bit of scaremongering going on here? Lots of 07/08 1.9 TDI's i know of and never heard of this happening. A friend who is/was a mechanic for VW has never seen this either. Our own 07 Passat from new with 160,000km still going strong..


  • #29
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,896 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The vw mechanic is talking sh1te if he says he has not seen it.
    Fair enough, it may be a small percentage but seeing that the engine is only good for putting in a skip if it does happen, a small percentage is still too many.


  • #30
    B00056718
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭B00056718


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Hmmmm maybe a bit of scaremongering going on here? Lots of 07/08 1.9 TDI's i know of and never heard of this happening. A friend who is/was a mechanic for VW has never seen this either. Our own 07 Passat from new with 160,000km still going strong..

    Friend of mine is a VW mechanic for a long time. He wasn't aware that there was a widespread issue with some 2.0tdi oil pump shafts, because nobody would fix them in the main dealer garage for the pricing reasons.

    He only gets to work on the cars that end up on the garage floor. Most of the bigger jobs outside warranty never get there.


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  • #31
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    mickdw wrote: »
    The vw mechanic is talking sh1te if he says he has not seen it.
    Fair enough, it may be a small percentage but seeing that the engine is only good for putting in a skip if it does happen, a small percentage is still too many.
    Talking sh1te??? I know the person personally and he would have no reason to talk "sh1te" to me about it. He services all the local VW's from Skoda's to Passat's for years and has never seen it. He's definately seen the camshaft wear problem , 'mostly' due to inferior oils.. Don't get sucked into the internet paranoia, just because you may have had bad luck..:rolleyes:

    I know a taxi, with nearly 500,000 km BXE crankshaft still intact..


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