Bxe engine!

Micky 32

B00056718 wrote: »

Friend of mine is a VW mechanic for a long time. He wasn't aware that there was a widespread issue with some 2.0tdi oil pump shafts, because nobody would fix them in the main dealer garage for the pricing reasons.

He only gets to work on the cars that end up on the garage floor. Most of the bigger jobs outside warranty never get there.

The friend of mine has his own garage for years where he services all the local VW's after hours.

mickdw

Micky 32 wrote: »

Talking sh1te??? I know the person personally and he would have no reason to talk "sh1te" to me about it. He services all the local VW's from Skoda's to Passat's for years and has never seen it. He's definately seen the camshaft wear problem , 'mostly' due to inferior oils.. Don't get sucked into the internet paranoia, just because you may have had bad luck..:rolleyes:

I know a taxi, with nearly 500,000 km BXE crankshaft still intact..

No. I have not had bad luck. I've never owned one of them.

mickdw

Micky 32 wrote: »

Talking sh1te??? I know the person personally and he would have no reason to talk "sh1te" to me about it. He services all the local VW's from Skoda's to Passat's for years and has never seen it. He's definately seen the camshaft wear problem , 'mostly' due to inferior oils.. Don't get sucked into the internet paranoia, just because you may have had bad luck..:rolleyes:

I know a taxi, with nearly 500,000 km BXE crankshaft still intact..

Did he sell you the car with bxe engine?
That would be a fairly strong reason to talk sh1te imo.

Could driver behaviour be a contributor to these, i.e. lugging the engine at very low revs for example?

Toyotafanboi

it's gas... picture 2 scenarios;

a Ford/ Toyota/ Opel/ Honda/ Renault/ Peugeot/ Hyundai/ Mitsubishi/ Fiat etc etc engine has developed a reputation for spitting a con-rod, thus writing off the engine and inevitably the car too.

advice from boards.ie: avoid like the plague. about as risky as putting your life savings on red. terrible idea.
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a VAG engine has developed a reputation for spitting a con-rod, thus writing off the engine and inevitably the car too.

advice on boards.ie; consider changing the shell bearings as part of the routine servicing if you really want the car.

it's mad imo, the massive stiffy that people have for certain marques. even with an increasingly well documented terminal failure in a very mundane car, people will consider doing exceptional tasks as part of routine maintenance to own the car, rather than buying a car (any car) that is perceived by the Irish to be less prestigious but is actually a better vehicle.

mickdw

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

it's gas... picture 2 scenarios;

a Ford/ Toyota/ Opel/ Honda/ Renault/ Peugeot/ Hyundai/ Mitsubishi/ Fiat etc etc engine has developed a reputation for spitting a con-rod, thus writing off the engine and inevitably the car too.

advice from boards.ie: avoid like the plague. about as risky as putting your life savings on red. terrible idea.
__________

a VAG engine has developed a reputation for spitting a con-rod, thus writing off the engine and inevitably the car too.

advice on boards.ie; consider changing the shell bearings as part of the routine servicing if you really want the car.

it's mad imo, the massive stiffy that people have for certain marques. even with an increasingly well documented terminal failure in a very mundane car, people will consider doing exceptional tasks as part of routine maintenance to own the car, rather than buying a car (any car) that is perceived by the Irish to be less prestigious but is actually a better vehicle.

In my opinion its a very poor engine and wouldn't advise anyone to buy one. I was commenting that for people who have bought one and maybe git 70k miles trouble free so far that perhaps bottom end shell bearing renewal as a preventative measure would seem to be sensible.

Old diesel

Micky 32 wrote: »

Talking sh1te??? I know the person personally and he would have no reason to talk "sh1te" to me about it. He services all the local VW's from Skoda's to Passat's for years and has never seen it. He's definately seen the camshaft wear problem , 'mostly' due to inferior oils.. Don't get sucked into the internet paranoia, just because you may have had bad luck..:rolleyes:

I know a taxi, with nearly 500,000 km BXE crankshaft still intact..

It IS a noted issue on the BXE - yes many may not do it - but it can and DOES happen.

Old diesel

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

it's gas... picture 2 scenarios;

a Ford/ Toyota/ Opel/ Honda/ Renault/ Peugeot/ Hyundai/ Mitsubishi/ Fiat etc etc engine has developed a reputation for spitting a con-rod, thus writing off the engine and inevitably the car too.

advice from boards.ie: avoid like the plague. about as risky as putting your life savings on red. terrible idea.
__________

a VAG engine has developed a reputation for spitting a con-rod, thus writing off the engine and inevitably the car too.

advice on boards.ie; consider changing the shell bearings as part of the routine servicing if you really want the car.

it's mad imo, the massive stiffy that people have for certain marques. even with an increasingly well documented terminal failure in a very mundane car, people will consider doing exceptional tasks as part of routine maintenance to own the car, rather than buying a car (any car) that is perceived by the Irish to be less prestigious but is actually a better vehicle.

The advice was for those who ALREADY own a BXE engine - I don't think anyone is recommending actually buying one

Pov06

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Great Post! Perfect example is the 1.2 8V FIRE engine that is used by FIAT in a number of cars. First thing you hear is avoid them because of Head Gasket issues. Even if you get one with this issue its a cheap fix.

I dunno if most of the egoist drivers could handle being seen in a FIAT. Jaysuus loike.

dgt

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Great Post! Perfect example is the 1.2 8V FIRE engine that is used by FIAT in a number of cars. First thing you hear is avoid them because of Head Gasket issues. Even if you get one with this issue its a cheap fix.

Bad design, cheaply made, but a 90's jap, imo etc etc etc.

I'm very tired of hearing that same sh*t peddled out time in and again

166man

dgt wrote: »

Bad design, cheaply made, but a 90's jap, imo etc etc etc.

I'm very tired of hearing that same sh*t peddled out time in and again

None of it is ever backed up though, dgt, and questions go unanswered so I wouldn't let it bother you.

Special Circumstances

Mazda diesel engine - all pure scrap. Errah go way out that with your "don't turn it off during dpf regen" Couldn't be putting up with that sure.

VW BXE - mighty altogether, shell bearings every 2 years might mighty fapfapfap

Old diesel

Im lost here

Yes many people like VAG stuff - and maybe some will forgive VAG issues faster then if the same/similar issues were to pop up on Japanese/Fiat or whatever.

But all that was said I felt - was that someone suggested that if you ALREADY OWNED a car with the BXE - it might be worth considering changing the shell bearings - because that person felt the bearings going was the cause of the big bang conrod through the block issue.

No one has said the OP of the thread should actually buy a car with the BXE engine

Pov06

Old diesel wrote: »

Im lost here

Yes many people like VAG stuff - and maybe some will forgive VAG issues faster then if the same/similar issues were to pop up on Japanese/Fiat or whatever.

But all that was said I felt - was that someone suggested that if you ALREADY OWNED a car with the BXE - it might be worth considering changing the shell bearings - because that person felt the bearings going was the cause of the big bang conrod through the block issue.

No one has said the OP of the thread should actually buy a car with the BXE engine

But the thing is if the OP posted a thread about his head gasket being toast on his FIAT, I bet 90% of the replies would tell him to scrap the car and move on.

Interslice

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Great Post! Perfect example is the 1.2 8V FIRE engine that is used by FIAT in a n cars. First thing you hear is avoid them because of Head Gasket issues. Even if you get one with this issue its a cheap fix.

It was 1.6 vvt renault engine I was thinking off last night. The variator might fail once over the life of the car. You just replace it and off you go, but avoid like the plague!!

There was a lovely 05 clio came up in bangernomics about a year ago with every extra for just 1700. All advice was to steer clear

Technoprisoner

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Not really down to poor servicing. The bottom end shell bearings collapse regardless of servicing. Changing the shell bearings every so often may prevent a conrod out through the block scenario.

whats the cause of the bearings failing? is it poor tolerances from the factory?

Micky 32

mickdw wrote: »

Did he sell you the car with bxe engine?
That would be a fairly strong reason to talk sh1te imo.

LOL:rolleyes:. The car was bought brand new in 2007. Now has 160k ( 100k miles) Serviced with longlife oil every 10k...

It's probably one of the most popular engines out there as they're fitted to Octavias, Passat's and the like. I get around and know of a lot of people who have them and have yet to hear of a failure. maybe some are letting go but i doubt it's an epidemic TBH....

mickdw

Micky 32 wrote: »

LOL:rolleyes:. The car was bought brand new in 2007. Now has 160k ( 100k miles) Serviced with longlife oil every 10k...

It's probably one of the most popular engines out there as they're fitted to Octavias, Passat's and the like. I get around and know of a lot of people who have them and have yet to hear of a failure. maybe some are letting go but i doubt it's an epidemic TBH....

Do you know if all these people specifically have bxe fitted?

Tony Beetroot

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Great Post! Perfect example is the 1.2 8V FIRE engine that is used by FIAT in a number of cars. First thing you hear is avoid them because of Head Gasket issues. Even if you get one with this issue its a cheap fix.

So they been documented as having having head gas issues but don't let that stopping you buying it because if it does blow the gasket its a cheap fix. Did I get that right?

DraganGTD

My BXE 7years old still goes strong but I will be changing it soon just in case hahah

jim-mcdee

Old thread I know, but to add my twopence, this throwing con rod issue apparently affects only bxe cars pre 08.

vandriver

jim-mcdee wrote: »

Old thread I know, but to add my twopence, this throwing con rod issue apparently affects only bxe cars pre 08.

My brothers was July 08!

galwaytt

Tony Beetroot wrote: »

Statistically how many don't?

oh, that's easy....

Where X = total no engines, then:

(Statistically how many don't) = X - (Statistically, how many of them actually do )

JohnBoy26

jim-mcdee wrote: »

Old thread I know, but to add my twopence, this throwing con rod issue apparently affects only bxe cars pre 08.

Seen it happen to a few 09 models so that can't be right.

Theanswers

We've had a fleet of VWs, mostly renault now.

However, the con-rod out through the block was extremely common. Nearly all the vans experienced this eventually, at anything between 300,000 and 500,000km.

They were serviced regularly and spent 99% of there time doing approx. 350-400 miles per day.

They do fail. It is common.