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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #4892
    matrim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭matrim


    bjork wrote: »
    They run a discriminatory policy against me and my kind.


    Will this referendum be a two way street? Each side lessening their "discriminatory policies"

    Why don't you try go to one and see. If the refuse you and the reason is that you are straight take them to court and you'll probably see a nice payout.


  • #4893
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Icannot wait to make history on Thursday and show out lgbt brothers and sisters they are equal to us in absolutely every way......

    no campaigners calling into estate last night local people I told them to go and keep going lol

    Eh, you might want to hold off until Friday to make history. You could be hanging around for a bit otherwise…


  • #4894
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Eh, you might want to hold until Friday to make history. You could be hanging around for a bit otherwise…
    oh yeah lol just looked at my ballot form lol


  • #4895
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,141 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    joe40 wrote: »
    An argument i have heard put forward by the no side is that in the event of a yes vote same sex couples that get married would have a "right to procreate" and since this is not biologically possible, surrogacy would have to be granted to them. i think that is the gist of the argument if not I can be corrected.

    My question for the NO side is this:

    plenty of heterosexual couples are infertile for one reason or another therefore why have they not been demanding surrogacy as a matter of right for many years now.

    I know it is not regulated so is actually happening at the moment. However as far as know the idea, that a married couple have a "right to procreate" is not been used by heterosexual married couples as a reason to demand surrogacy.

    Yes Joe. You are correct. Some-one from the No side, I can't recall if it was a member of the upper house, said that if the vote was yes, that they would have a right to surrogacy. The person said that it would be a constitutional right to boot as marriage was in the constitution.


  • #4896
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You see this is why the Yes side have not swept the surrogacy argument away. They think it is about the gay person, rather than it being about the child, as one is intentionally creating a child that will have no mother if it is surrogacy and no father if it is sperm donation.
    One of the natural biological parents will intentionally not be in their lives, as the child is for the couple, and it is about the couple not the child that he/she(the child) will be created.

    A child has no right to a mother or a father so please stop raising it.


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  • #4897
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,450 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ashers, the bakery who refused to make acake promoting Gay marriage were found guilty of discrimination today.

    Previously there had been inaccurate reports that they would be found not guilty
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ashers-bakery-found-guilty-of-discrimination-1.2218032

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #4898
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You see this is why the Yes side have not swept the surrogacy argument away. They think it is about the gay person, rather than it being about the child, as one is intentionally creating a child that will have no mother if it is surrogacy and no father if it is sperm donation.
    One of the natural biological parents will intentionally not be in their lives, as the child is for the couple, and it is about the couple not the child that he/she(the child) will be created.

    But this is a situation that isn't relevant to just gay people, it affects infertile married couples as well.


  • #4899
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    bjork wrote: »
    Everyone has the same right to marry a person of the opposite sex

    Haha. Well, sure, that's great news for same sex couples. So, just to be clear, every couple can get married (just not to the person they love if they're gay). That's an idiotic opinion!


  • #4900
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    traprunner wrote: »
    A child has no right to a mother or a father so please stop raising it.


    ...and saying that is not good for the Yes side.


  • #4901
    dvdman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    SireOfSeth wrote: »
    You don't want them to practice safe sex?

    id rather the seed wasn't planted in my childs mind, i see it as encouraging this type of life decision ..monkey see monkey do

    The GREAT thing about nature it doesn't LIE no matter what laws and words we want to use to justify our selfishness


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  • #4902
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    But this is a situation that isn't relevant to just gay people, it affects infertile married couples as well.

    But the child gets gender equality.


  • #4903
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    RobertKK wrote: »
    ...and saying that is not good for the Yes side.

    I'm just stating how things are at the moment. It will not change as a result of this referendum regardless of whichever side wins.


  • #4904
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Why would you actively teach the riskiest form of sexual activity to a child?

    For a start I might point out the risks you refer to.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #4905
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Ashers, the bakery who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay civil partnership were found guilty of discrimination today., the verdict

    Previously there had been inaccurate reports that they would be found no guilty
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ashers-bakery-found-guilty-of-discrimination-1.2218032

    A not guilty verdict would have been better for Yes, given the week that is in it. It tells people here, they can look at the North and see how the religious beliefs of a person are not allowed to be expressed.


  • #4906
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    traprunner wrote: »
    I'm just stating how things are at the moment. It will not change as a result of this referendum regardless of whichever side wins.

    But the optics are not good, when it is said.


  • #4907
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    SireOfSeth wrote: »
    Haha. Well, sure, that's great news for same sex couples. So, just to be clear, every couple can get married (just not to the person they love if they're gay). That's an idiotic opinion!

    Every person has the option to marry a person of the opposite sex.


    If they don't want to, I'm not going to force them to


  • #4908
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    id rather the seed wasn't planted in my childs mind, i see it as encouraging this type of life decision ..monkey see monkey do

    What life decision? For deciding to not feel hated for loving the person they love?
    The GREAT thing about nature it doesn't LIE no matter what laws and words we want to use to justify our selfishness

    Homosexuality is natural. What are you going on about?


  • #4909
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,450 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A not guilty verdict would have been better for Yes, given the week that is in it. It tells people here, they can look at the North and see how the religious beliefs of a person are not allowed to be expressed.

    Perhaps, there is no over estimating the persecution complex the conservative christians feel when their 'right' to discriminate against others is challenged

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #4910
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Will they be teaching gay sex as part of school sex education if its yes?

    Teaching gay sex? You mean providing inclusive sex education? Who knows plenty of schools in this country don't bother. The sex education in my school amounted to being told physically what people did, all the horrible things that could flow from that and that it was only for married people anyway and that homosexual activity of any kind was wrong in any context. So I think you can relax.


  • #4911
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But the optics are not good, when it is said.

    You mean when it's twisted by you and the No side?
    Here is the neutral version from the head of The Referendum Commission:

    Q. According to the No side advocacy group ‘Mothers and Fathers Matter’, a Yes vote will change our Constitution “to mean that children do not have a right to a mother and a father”. Is there such a right?
    A. No. I don’t want to get into debate with one side or the other. That’s not the function of the Referendum Commission. People, I’m sure, have good reasons to vote Yes and good reasons to vote No. But there is no right to a mother and a father. Many children don’t have a mother and a father, and there is no way that they can enforce any such supposed right.
    It doesn’t exist in law.






    So I'll leave it at that. I refuse to be dragged down to your level of barrel scraping.


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  • #4912
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But the child gets gender equality.

    So? Is that the most important consideration for a balanced, loving life for a child?


  • #4913
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But the child gets gender equality.

    I'm sure that makes sense to you…


  • #4914
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A not guilty verdict would have been better for Yes, given the week that is in it. It tells people here, they can look at the North and see how the religious beliefs of a person are not allowed to be expressed.

    Sadly Robert I think I might have to agree with you *checks out window for four horsemen*

    Only thing to say is it is a different jurisdiction and they don't even have gay marriage so... but you are right the timing is not positive.


  • #4915
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I'm sure that makes sense to you…

    Sure in politics they want want gender equality and have brought in gender quotas, then the same politicians make out it is not important in something more important like parenting, as the optimum situation.


  • #4916
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,450 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    id rather the seed wasn't planted in my childs mind, i see it as encouraging this type of life decision ..monkey see monkey do

    The GREAT thing about nature it doesn't LIE no matter what laws and words we want to use to justify our selfishness

    So you're worried that allowing gay marriage could somehow turn your kids gay?

    That's such an ignorant position to take. I pity your children.

    Your kids will be straight or gay regardless of the outcome of this referendum. I can only hope that you accept them for who they are. If one or more of them does turn out to be gay, you can do so much needless harm by the attitudes you are expressing on this thread.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #4917
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A not guilty verdict would have been better for Yes, given the week that is in it. It tells people here, they can look at the North and see how the religious beliefs of a person are not allowed to be expressed.

    By expressing religious beliefs you mean discriminating against minorities.

    What about a persons right to freedom of religion? Are we free to discriminate against Christians?


  • #4918
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    bjork wrote: »
    Every person has the option to marry a person of the opposite sex.

    If they don't want to, I'm not going to force them to

    But you will force them NOT to be allowed to marry someone of the same sex. That sort of bigoted opinion does not belong in a modern Ireland.


  • #4919
    dvdman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    SireOfSeth wrote: »
    What life decision? For deciding to not feel hated for loving the person they love?



    Homosexuality is natural. What are you going on about?

    I refer to biological nature, anus is designed for fecal material and deification FACT, if you go against nature expect to pay the consequences increased disease etc


  • #4920
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A not guilty verdict would have been better for Yes, given the week that is in it.
    True. Makes the decision even more grating. Still dealing in extremes with religion up there.


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  • #4921
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    I refer to biological nature, anus is designed for fecal material and deification FACT, if you go against nature expect to pay the consequences increased disease etc

    And are ones lips designed for kissing girls?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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