Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

late · 19-05-2015 01:03AM

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.
Also the people will have no say if the yes win, when it comes to our politicians ligistating for surrogacy, there will again be a huge campaign from the yes side looking to allow surrogacy for same sex couples as they cant produce babies themselves. I believe we should not deliberately set out to produce children to be brought up without a mother and a father. This is sure to happen down the road if we vote yes. In special circumstances some children are reared by same sex couples, but we should not deliberately set out to make this the norm. Also it will be illegal for a teacher to tell children that marriage between man and a women is the ideal. If this law comes in it will cause more confusion for little children. Please think of the children and vote NO and don't be fooled by our politicians or those on the yes side. I am not anti gay or anything like that but this is a step too far especially for children as I have said above, so I will be voting NO.
The yes side also have a huge amount of money for their campaign, also apparently a huge amount of money coming in from the Sates etc. The no side have very little money. Where is the democracy in this?
The yes side have the help also of a very biased media. No balance at all.

late · 19-05-2015 01:04AM

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.
Also the people will have no say if the yes win, when it comes to our politicians ligistating for surrogacy, there will again be a huge campaign from the yes side looking to allow surrogacy for same sex couples as they cant produce babies themselves. I believe we should not deliberately set out to produce children to be brought up without a mother and a father. This is sure to happen down the road if we vote yes. In special circumstances some children are reared by same sex couples, but we should not deliberately set out to make this the norm. Also it will be illegal for a teacher to tell children that marriage between man and a women is the ideal. If this law comes in it will cause more confusion for little children. Please think of the children and vote NO and don't be fooled by our politicians or those on the yes side. I am not anti gay or anything like that but this is a step too far especially for children as I have said above, so I will be voting NO.
The yes side also have a huge amount of money for their campaign, also apparently a huge amount of money coming in from the Sates etc. The no side have very little money. Where is the democracy in this?
The yes side have the help also of a very biased media. No balance at all. Vote NO.

osarusan · 19-05-2015 01:05AM

late wrote: »

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.
Also the people will have no say if the yes win, when it comes to our politicians ligistating for surrogacy, there will again be a huge campaign from the yes side looking to allow surrogacy for same sex couples as they cant produce babies themselves. I believe we should not deliberately set out to produce children to be brought up without a mother and a father. This is sure to happen down the road if we vote yes. In special circumstances some children are reared by same sex couples, but we should not deliberately set out to make this the norm. Also it will be illegal for a teacher to tell children that marriage between man and a women is the ideal. If this law comes in it will cause more confusion for little children. Please think of the children and vote NO and don't be fooled by our politicians or those on the yes side. I am not anti gay or anything like that but this is a step too far especially for children as I have said above, so I will be voting NO.

Phew! Well that's a relief.

kevin12345 · 19-05-2015 01:05AM

Just looking at the Fine Gael Facebook page and the amount of people saying they are voting no is ridiculous, don't get me started on their reasoning.

It's actually astonishing how misinformed people are about this debate, they are believing the lies and the soundbites that the Iona institute and the ilk are spreading.

This 'think of the children' thing is so infuriating to read. Why aren't these people concerned about the children already suffering in Ireland , the ones ringing childline every single day about the abuse, bullying etc. that they are enduring (shock horror - some even occurring in homes with a mother AND a father)? Why aren't they campaigning for these organisations to receive more funding or something? It irritates me so much that these people are coming out saying that they are voting no to protect children when all they are doing is harming the many, many gay young people out there struggling with self-acceptance who have to listen to this vitriol being spouted about them. The entire No campaign makes me sick to my stomach.

The_Minister · 19-05-2015 01:06AM

Zen65 wrote: »

If he's a Christian I imagine that people are (rightly) irked that somebody would claim the "faith" card, when in reality the Christian religion is ambivalent about homosexuality. Leviticus condemns it, but also condemns a range of other practices (including eating any pork products, mixing cloths in a garment, and sowing two types of seed in a field) which should be sufficient for the book to be dismissed out of hand. It contains a lot of evil too - genocide and stoning. So why anybody would say "well all this other stuff is bolox but I like what he says about homosexual men" and not see that they had simply selected a single sentence which supported their prejudice?

The New Testament Gospels say nothing definitive about homosexuality, preferring instead to promote love and tolerance. So why did the man on FB claim that his faith asked him to vote NO? . . . Because that's what he wanted his faith to tell him.

Except that isn't really true.

It's said a lot, but that doesn't make it true.

Corinthians is taken as condemning homosexuality (it condemns 'sexual immorality' which traditionally tended to mean sodomy; Bible uses a different word for adultery) and Jesus himself discusses marriage specifically as a man-woman situation (can't remember where - Matthew I think).

Given the above (and as a non-believer I'm sure I've missed loads), I don't think it's fair to say he chose that view because he wanted to.

EDIT: And in addition, the thing about dietary rules like pork is, and someone may give a more informed answer, Jesus continued some rules and disallowed others; Christians have been allowed eat pork from the start. So it's not hypocrasy, Jesus rescinded the Rules (I read a detailed explanation once - basically there's three types of religious law in Christianity and Jesus withdrew one, which includes most of levidicus but not anti-homosexuality ones).

Maximus Alexander · 19-05-2015 01:07AM

late wrote: »

Where is the democracy in this?

On Friday you'll go to a place and they'll hand you a little piece of paper and you'll go into a booth. You'll mark an 'x' in one of two squares on that piece of paper before dropping it into a box. A couple of million other people will do the same.

Later, all those little 'x's will be counted up, and whether or not the constitution is to be amended will be decided based on the number of 'x's that were marked in each square.

So, there's the democracy, I guess?

efb · 19-05-2015 01:14AM

late wrote: »

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.
Also the people will have no say if the yes win, when it comes to our politicians ligistating for surrogacy, there will again be a huge campaign from the yes side looking to allow surrogacy for same sex couples as they cant produce babies themselves. I believe we should not deliberately set out to produce children to be brought up without a mother and a father. This is sure to happen down the road if we vote yes. In special circumstances some children are reared by same sex couples, but we should not deliberately set out to make this the norm. Also it will be illegal for a teacher to tell children that marriage between man and a women is the ideal. If this law comes in it will cause more confusion for little children. Please think of the children and vote NO and don't be fooled by our politicians or those on the yes side. I am not anti gay or anything like that but this is a step too far especially for children as I have said above, so I will be voting NO.
The yes side also have a huge amount of money for their campaign, also apparently a huge amount of money coming in from the Sates etc. The no side have very little money. Where is the democracy in this?
The yes side have the help also of a very biased media. No balance at all. Vote NO.

How many marraige occur in nature????

endacl · 19-05-2015 01:16AM

late wrote: »

Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended.

Nature has intent? What dafuq is a platypus for?!?

Sofiztikated · 19-05-2015 01:17AM

late wrote: »

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.
Also the people will have no say if the yes win, when it comes to our politicians ligistating for surrogacy, there will again be a huge campaign from the yes side looking to allow surrogacy for same sex couples as they cant produce babies themselves. I believe we should not deliberately set out to produce children to be brought up without a mother and a father. This is sure to happen down the road if we vote yes. In special circumstances some children are reared by same sex couples, but we should not deliberately set out to make this the norm. Also it will be illegal for a teacher to tell children that marriage between man and a women is the ideal. If this law comes in it will cause more confusion for little children. Please think of the children and vote NO and don't be fooled by our politicians or those on the yes side. I am not anti gay or anything like that but this is a step too far especially for children as I have said above, so I will be voting NO.
The yes side also have a huge amount of money for their campaign, also apparently a huge amount of money coming in from the Sates etc. The no side have very little money. Where is the democracy in this?
The yes side have the help also of a very biased media. No balance at all. Vote NO.

I'm sorry, who has a huge amount of money?

The_Minister · 19-05-2015 01:18AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm sorry, who has a huge amount of money?

Basically both sides - we're like Afghanistan during the Cold War, with Americans playing toy soldiers with us.

efb · 19-05-2015 01:19AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm sorry, who has a huge amount of money?

Yeah look at all the Yes side YouTube ads, professional advertising campaigns and poster rollouts...

Kiwi in IE · 19-05-2015 01:20AM

late wrote: »

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.
Also the people will have no say if the yes win, when it comes to our politicians ligistating for surrogacy, there will again be a huge campaign from the yes side looking to allow surrogacy for same sex couples as they cant produce babies themselves. I believe we should not deliberately set out to produce children to be brought up without a mother and a father. This is sure to happen down the road if we vote yes. In special circumstances some children are reared by same sex couples, but we should not deliberately set out to make this the norm. Also it will be illegal for a teacher to tell children that marriage between man and a women is the ideal. If this law comes in it will cause more confusion for little children. Please think of the children and vote NO and don't be fooled by our politicians or those on the yes side. I am not anti gay or anything like that but this is a step too far especially for children as I have said above, so I will be voting NO.
The yes side also have a huge amount of money for their campaign, also apparently a huge amount of money coming in from the Sates etc. The no side have very little money. Where is the democracy in this?
The yes side have the help also of a very biased media. No balance at all. Vote NO.

That was like reading a long version of an Iona poster! Do Iona hate paragraphs too?

K4t · 19-05-2015 01:22AM

kevin12345 wrote: »

many gay young people out there struggling with self-acceptance who have to listen to this vitriol being spouted about them.

Maybe, just maybe, they don't really care about children at all and simply want to exert control of their own religiously influenced ideals over the entire country?

late wrote: »

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.

Hold on there Rambo! Nobody is saying a same-sex marriage is the same as an opposite sex one. All they are saying is that both marriages be allowed, and that people can marry their partner, irrespective of sex. Basically, they want marriage equality. You can view man woman marriage as being natural and superior to same-sex marriage and still vote yes, my young padwan.

endacl · 19-05-2015 01:22AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

That was like reading a long version of an Iona poster! Do Iona hate paragraphs too?

NO! :mad:

efb · 19-05-2015 01:23AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

That was like reading a long version of an Iona poster! Do Iona hate paragraphs too?

Only the gay ones - they don't hate them, they just want preference for heterosexual ones and a conscience clause

Mr_Muffin · 19-05-2015 01:23AM

Voting No.

To be fair I flipped a coin to decide.

efb · 19-05-2015 01:24AM

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Voting No.

To be fair I flipped a coin to decide.

Best of three?

Kiwi in IE · 19-05-2015 01:24AM

kevin12345 wrote: »

Just looking at the Fine Gael Facebook page and the amount of people saying they are voting no is ridiculous, don't get me started on their reasoning.

It's actually astonishing how misinformed people are about this debate, they are believing the lies and the soundbites that the Iona institute and the ilk are spreading.

This 'think of the children' thing is so infuriating to read. Why aren't these people concerned about the children already suffering in Ireland , the ones ringing childline every single day about the abuse, bullying etc. that they are enduring (shock horror - some even occurring in homes with a mother AND a father)? Why aren't they campaigning for these organisations to receive more funding or something? It irritates me so much that these people are coming out saying that they are voting no to protect children when all they are doing is harming the many, many gay young people out there struggling with self-acceptance who have to listen to this vitriol being spouted about them. The entire No campaign makes me sick to my stomach.

The only time they are concerned about children is when LGBT parents or crisis pregnancies are involved. Have you not copped onto that yet?

RobertKK · 19-05-2015 01:32AM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

To be honest, fúck their religion. I'm not religious, so just because your faith has a problem with it, why should I have to conform to your beliefs?

This has nothing to do with religion, this is a civil issue, the churches aren't being forced to do anything, so it sickens my guts that they're campaigning so hard for a no. Horrible busybodies, and high time they get told to fúck off into their place and out of other people's lives!

That attitude doesn't win votes.

A religious person who with their conscience votes no is conforming to their beliefs, it is known as freedom.
The same freedom that allows you to vote with your conscience to how you believe, but you believe the person who doesn't hold your opinion must conform to your opinion or else that person is imposing their beliefs.

We live in a free society, and people can vote as they choose, they don't have to give a reason why they vote yes or no.

Fat Christy · 19-05-2015 01:33AM

late wrote: »

Those on the yes side telling us that the marriage of a man to a man or the marriage of a women to a women can be same as marriage of a man and a women are deluded. Marriage between a man and a women is the real deal and the way nature intended. No matter how much these deluded politicians on the yes side tells us a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage between a man and a women, it is not or never can be or never will be seen equivalent, no matter how much we are been told it is.
Also the people will have no say if the yes win, when it comes to our politicians ligistating for surrogacy, there will again be a huge campaign from the yes side looking to allow surrogacy for same sex couples as they cant produce babies themselves. I believe we should not deliberately set out to produce children to be brought up without a mother and a father. This is sure to happen down the road if we vote yes. In special circumstances some children are reared by same sex couples, but we should not deliberately set out to make this the norm. Also it will be illegal for a teacher to tell children that marriage between man and a women is the ideal. If this law comes in it will cause more confusion for little children. Please think of the children and vote NO and don't be fooled by our politicians or those on the yes side. I am not anti gay or anything like that but this is a step too far especially for children as I have said above, so I will be voting NO.
The yes side also have a huge amount of money for their campaign, also apparently a huge amount of money coming in from the Sates etc. The no side have very little money. Where is the democracy in this?
The yes side have the help also of a very biased media. No balance at all.

Could you repeat that, I didn't hear you the first 3 times?

As for the bolded part, you're not actually serious? O.o

RobertKK · 19-05-2015 01:38AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

The only time they are concerned about children is when LGBT parents or crisis pregnancies are involved. Have you not copped onto that yet?

You are entitled to ignore how the Catholic church for example is the second biggest provider of education in the world to children after state provided education.
Or how they are the 2nd biggest provider of healthcare in the world after state provided healthcare which includes children.

But sure if one sticks their head in the sand they can't see this.

Fat Christy · 19-05-2015 01:38AM

RobertKK wrote: »

That attitude doesn't win votes.

A religious person who with their conscience votes no is conforming to their beliefs, it is known as freedom.
The same freedom that allows you to vote with your conscience to how you believe, but you believe the person who doesn't hold your opinion must conform to your opinion or else that person is imposing their beliefs.

We live in a free society, and people can vote as they choose, they don't have to give a reason why they vote yes or no.

I hate the way the no side are saying they are being pressurised to vote yes by yes campaigners. Everyone should have the right to get married. Who are you to decide who can and cannot get married? It's absolute ludicrous to think I can go out and get married in the morning but someone else, because of their sexual orientation, something they have absolutely no control over, cannot.

Not only that, but whether or not homosexuals marry in the future, lies in the hands of people that it does not affect. Where is the justice in that?

And then you have people telling you about their right to vote and how they shouldn't have to conform. Honestly, it just baffles me.

Not a NSA agent · 19-05-2015 01:41AM

RobertKK wrote: »

That attitude doesn't win votes.

A religious person who with their conscience votes no is conforming to their beliefs, it is known as freedom.
The same freedom that allows you to vote with your conscience to how you believe, but you believe the person who doesn't hold your opinion must conform to your opinion or else that person is imposing their beliefs.

We live in a free society, and people can vote as they choose, they don't have to give a reason why they vote yes or no.

All for freedom while they vote but no freedom for those who wish to marry their partner. Only freedom for themselves it would seem.

Zemuppet · 19-05-2015 01:44AM

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Voting No.

To be fair I flipped a coin to decide.

Probably the only logical reason to vote no, either that or the magic 8 ball

Kiwi in IE · 19-05-2015 01:45AM

RobertKK wrote: »

You are entitled to ignore how the Catholic church for example is the second biggest provider of education in the world to children after state provided education.
Or how they are the 2nd biggest provider of healthcare in the world after state provided healthcare which includes children.

But sure if one sticks their head in the sand they can't see this.

I was referring to Iona in that post! What children's charity do they do? Or any charity for that matter? Given their charitable status and all!

efb · 19-05-2015 01:50AM

RobertKK wrote: »

That attitude doesn't win votes.

A religious person who with their conscience votes no is conforming to their beliefs, it is known as freedom.
The same freedom that allows you to vote with your conscience to how you believe, but you believe the person who doesn't hold your opinion must conform to your opinion or else that person is imposing their beliefs.

We live in a free society, and people can vote as they choose, they don't have to give a reason why they vote yes or no.

are you free if your choice is decided by religious dogma???

RobertKK · 19-05-2015 01:53AM

Fat Christy wrote: »

I hate the way the no side are saying they are being pressurised to vote yes by yes campaigners. Everyone should have the right to get married. Who are you to decide who can and cannot get married? It's absolute ludicrous to think I can go out and get married in the morning but someone else, because of their sexual orientation, something they have absolutely no control over, cannot.

Not only that, but whether or not I marry in the future, lies in the hands of people that it does not affect. Where is the justice in that?

And then you have people telling you about their right to vote and how they shouldn't have to conform. Honestly, it just baffles me.

Well imagine if I did a post saying a Yes voter is imposing their vote on me. When a person is at the polling station with their pencil, it is not about what anyone else believes or wants, it is about what the voter wants, no reason has to be given, and if you did on the ballot paper it would likely be cast aside as spoiled.

I don't believe in conforming, voting in a referendum is about what the individual believes, not about what someone else wants.
Then when the ballot papers are counted, the result whatever way it falls should be respected.

When you say 'who am you to decide', we are being asked to decide and if someone doesn't support it, then No, if someone support it then Yes. As a citizen we have this right to say Yes or No.
That is who I am and who every citizen who is registered to vote can do, and it is a right that lets society decide, there is your justice. The judgement is from the people as a collective, whether there is or is not support for same sex marriage.

efb · 19-05-2015 01:55AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Well imagine if I did a post saying a Yes voter is imposing their vote on me. When a person is at the polling station with their pencil, it is not about what anyone else believes or wants, it is about what the voter wants, no reason has to be given, and if you did on the ballot paper it would likely be cast aside as spoiled.

I don't believe in conforming, voting in a referendum is about what the individual believes, not about what someone else wants.
Then when the ballot papers are counted, the result whatever way it falls should be respected.

When you say 'who am you to decide', we are being asked to decide and if someone doesn't support it, then No, if someone support it then Yes. As a citizen we have this right to say Yes or No.
That is who I am and who every citizen who is registered to vote can do, and it is a right that lets society decide, there is your justice. The judgement is from the people as a collective, whether there is or is not support for same sex marriage.

Did I get a vote on your right to marry?

RobertKK · 19-05-2015 01:55AM

efb wrote: »

are you free if your choice is decided by religious dogma???

If you believe something, and you are allowed to act freely on your belief, then you are free.

efb · 19-05-2015 01:59AM

RobertKK wrote: »

If you believe something, and you are allowed to act freely on your belief, then you are free.

unlike the woman that told me today "I can't vote yes (due to church), but I hope ye win"

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