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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #4472
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    endacl wrote: »
    Traditional wind, or unnatural gay wind?

    Obviously traditional because the rainbow flag wasn't around in ancient Greece or Rome. It was confined to the Inca Empire but we all know they were all gay and that's why the heterosexual Spanish army crushed them and then the rainbow flag wasn't seen for many centuries. What was I talking about?

    PS. I hope my history lessons are more fabulous than SafeSurfers. :D


  • #4473
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    traprunner wrote: »
    Obviously traditional because the rainbow flag wasn't around in ancient Greece or Rome. It was confined to the Inca Empire but we all know they were all gay and that's why the heterosexual Spanish army crushed them and then the rainbow flag wasn't seen for many centuries. What was I talking about?

    Traditional Inca empires, or gay Inca Empires?


  • #4474
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    The attitude of some of the Yes side has made my mind up for me, I won't be voting in this referendum. I think it's unfair to label all of the No side as homophobes, just as I don't think anybody would claim that all Yes voters are homosexuals. Also the ripping down of No posters etc., just because you don't agree with their views, the No side are still entitled to their opinions.


  • #4475
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    nokiatom wrote: »
    but those kids are put into a situation they have no control over....they are undrerage. they don't understand about life, nor will they have the experience of having a father or mother

    All kids are underage. That's kinda a given...what with them being children...

    The kids of heterosexual couples don't have a choice either and some heterosexual parents are complete horrors which is why we have all these laws to protect children from horrible parents.

    Exactly what harm do you think gay parents would do that hasn't already been done to some poor child somewhere by their married heterosexual parents?

    Is there some particular abuse you think only gay parents could be guilty of which justifies preventing a same-sex couple being recognised as a family?


  • #4476
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    endacl wrote: »
    Just to show that the constitutional quote you chose is essentially meaningless. It can support anything you want it to support. Try again.

    But you made no point about it, apart from agreed.

    I just had a problem you posted something before that which were quoted as being my words before the constitution quote, when they were yours.
    You didn't change anything in regards the constitutional quote.


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  • #4477
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    endacl wrote: »
    Traditional Inca empires, or gay Inca Empires?

    Uh oh. Ok, I'll admit now that I am all confused and will promptly remove myself from the discussion. I don't know how to change my definition again in such a way I sound like I believe myself.


  • #4478
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So wife raping was a tradition?

    Historically wives were their husbands chattels and some abused this position. Ergo traditions are wrong. It's kind of a leap don't you think?

    So my wife should be okay with me calling her my slave as long as I don't rape her? :confused:

    Maybe you can let her know that…


  • #4479
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    The attitude of some of the Yes side has made my mind up for me, I won't be voting in this referendum. I think it's unfair to label all of the No side as homophobes, just as I don't think anybody would claim that all Yes voters are homosexuals. Also the ripping down of No posters etc., just because you don't agree with their views, the No side are still entitled to their opinions.
    So....

    The attitude of some people you don't know has made you decide not to take part in shaping the society you live in?

    That's an F- in your Being a Grownup practical exam.

    :rolleyes:


  • #4480
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    The attitude of some of the Yes side has made my mind up for me, I won't be voting in this referendum. I think it's unfair to label all of the No side as homophobes, just as I don't think anybody would claim that all Yes voters are homosexuals. Also the ripping down of No posters etc., just because you don't agree with their views, the No side are still entitled to their opinions.


    Tarring with the same brush comes to mind.

    Also, Yes posters were ripped down too.


  • #4481
    nokiatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭nokiatom


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    All kids are underage. That's kinda a given...what with them being children...

    The kids of heterosexual couples don't have a choice either and some heterosexual parents are complete horrors which is why we have all these laws to protect children from horrible parents.

    Exactly what harm do you think gay parents would do that hasn't already been done to some poor child somewhere by their married heterosexual parents?

    Is there some particular abuse you think only gay parents could be guilty of which justifies preventing a same-sex couple being recognised as a family?
    did you ever hear the expression '' that kid never had a fatherly figure growing up'' ?


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  • #4482
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    So my wife should be okay with me calling her my slave as long as I don't rape her? :confused:

    Maybe you can let her know that…

    That isn't something I said or even thought. I was refuting a point made by a previous poster that marital rape is somehow part and parcel of heterosexual marriage.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #4483
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    nokiatom wrote: »
    did you ever hear the expression '' that kid never had a fatherly figure growing up'' ?

    Aww....I'm losing out because you are ignoring my posts.

    Btw, an expression is exactly that...an expression. If I express my love for Butlers hot chocolate does it really mean a lot to you?

    Now I want a Butlers hot chocolate. :(


  • #4484
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    nokiatom wrote: »
    did you ever hear the expression '' that kid never had a fatherly figure growing up'' ?

    A male role model? Those can be found in lots of places.


  • #4485
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I never suggested it was not even for a minute.

    So your definition of 'traditional' marriage is now so broad that it virtually includes everything but same gender partners... That is really convincing.

    Perhaps you could intimate your definition of traditional marriage.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #4486
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So wife raping was a tradition?

    Historically wives were their husbands chattels and some abused this position. Ergo traditions are wrong. It's kind of a leap don't you think?

    Not really. It shows that doing things merely "because it's tradition" is wrong. Even if you accept otherwise, which traditions are the right one? The whole thing doesn't hold up to the barest scrutiny.

    Marital rape is part and parcel of heterosexual marriage if you hold to the tradition that it is. See?


  • #4487
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    nokiatom

    Can you please show how you came to the conclusion that you would vote No? I would hate to think that I have missed something enlightening and regret it in the future if I happen to find out that my Yes vote was incorrectly concluded.

    I am genuinely concerned.


  • #4488
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Perhaps you could intimate your definition of traditional marriage.

    A model of marriage that has been around for a bit. That was a modification from the model it replaced, that was a modification of what it replaced, that was a .....


  • #4489
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Cuban Pete wrote: »
    Not really. It shows that doing things merely "because it's tradition" is wrong. Even if you accept otherwise, which traditions are the right one? The whole thing doesn't hold up to the barest scrutiny.

    Marital rape is part and parcel of heterosexual marriage if you hold to the tradition that it is. See?


    No I don't see.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #4490
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    endacl wrote: »
    So....

    The attitude of some people you don't know has made you decide not to take part in shaping the society you live in?

    That's an F- in your Being a Grownup practical exam.

    :rolleyes:

    Sorry Professor :rolleyes:


  • #4491
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    traprunner wrote: »

    I am genuinely concerned.

    I don't believe you.

    :D


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  • #4492
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    The attitude of some of the Yes side has made my mind up for me, I won't be voting in this referendum. I think it's unfair to label all of the No side as homophobes, just as I don't think anybody would claim that all Yes voters are homosexuals. Also the ripping down of No posters etc., just because you don't agree with their views, the No side are still entitled to their opinions.

    You seem to be conveniently ignoring all of the nastiness of the No side. "Lesbians playing house", anyone?


  • #4493
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    The attitude of some of the Yes side has made my mind up for me, I won't be voting in this referendum. I think it's unfair to label all of the No side as homophobes, just as I don't think anybody would claim that all Yes voters are homosexuals. Also the ripping down of No posters etc., just because you don't agree with their views, the No side are still entitled to their opinions.

    I love the irony here


  • #4494
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    endacl wrote: »
    I don't believe you.

    :D


    Shhh....I am! I really want to have no regrets!!


  • #4495
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    endacl wrote: »
    A model of marriage that has been around for a bit. That was a modification from the model it replaced, that was a modification of what it replaced, that was a .....

    So that is your definition? So in the future marriage could mean anything. Would it not be necessary to use a new word to describe something that has become something else.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #4496
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    You seem to be conveniently ignoring all of the nastiness of the No side. "Lesbians playing house", anyone?

    I'm not voting No, just not voting!


  • #4497
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    endacl wrote: »
    A male role model? Those can be found in lots of places.

    I appreciate uncles, grandfathers and cousins play their part, but there are simply no substitutes for a mother and father.


  • #4498
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Sorry Professor :rolleyes:

    That's all right. You could do much better with a little more focus on the course material. Don't worry about what the other students are doing.


  • #4499
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    The attitude of some of the Yes side has made my mind up for me, I won't be voting in this referendum. I think it's unfair to label all of the No side as homophobes, just as I don't think anybody would claim that all Yes voters are homosexuals. Also the ripping down of No posters etc., just because you don't agree with their views, the No side are still entitled to their opinions.

    19 year old Yes canvasser threatened with a shotgun - was the person pointing the shotgun at them just expressing their opinion :mad:

    Actually - there have been quite a few in this here thread who assumed that all Yes supporters posting here are gay... funnily enough they tended to be wrong every time.


  • #4500
    nokiatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭nokiatom


    traprunner wrote: »
    nokiatom

    Can you please show how you came to the conclusion that you would vote No? I would hate to think that I have missed something enlightening and regret it in the future if I happen to find out that my Yes vote was incorrectly concluded.

    I am genuinely concerned.
    my belief is that kids should be reared in a male and female enviroment


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  • #4501
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So that is your definition? So in the future marriage could mean anything. Would it not be necessary to use a new word to describe something that has become something else.

    No. I'm saying 'marriage' means, has meant, and will mean, whatever people generally understand it, understood it, and will understand it to mean. Social constructs are fluid over time.


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