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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #4382
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    traprunner wrote: »
    Technically they are nature too. Unless they were created out of nothing in a vacuum.

    Petri dish ... like babies for de ghays.


    :pac:


  • #4383
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    aloyisious wrote: »
    I'll see a bishop as expressing his opinion when he's outside a church in mufti as a Mr expressing his opinion, rather than issuing letters to his parishioners from within a church on how to vote in line with their religion on a civil issue which won't affect their religion or their religious-sacramental marriages.

    Lol at your 2nd proposition; that no group is campaigning for a particular outcome. Will you now write that the Iona Institute stance on the issue is entirely and completely free of dictating how marriage is defined?


    I don't follow your logic. How is a bishop in his work clothes advocating no any different than a GAA player in his county jersey advocating yes. Campaigning for or against an issue is not the same as dictating the outcome.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #4384
    nokiatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭nokiatom


    floggg wrote: »
    You do know that nature didn't invent marriage, yes?

    Nature did invent rape mind. Good old nature, eh?
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that


  • #4385
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that

    I see you your nature argument and I raise you an appendix.....

    Also nature didn't design us to sit at desks all day in front of PCs. Guess what most people in the Western world do for work?


  • #4386
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Petri dish ... like babies for de ghays.


    :pac:

    Bbbbbbbut..... How do you get the Petri dish up...?...!...? :eek:

    ....never mind...


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  • #4387
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    Because all the children of heterosexuals have always have both...

    Oh... wait....


  • #4388
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    So what's the difference with current absentee parents that their kids never knew?


  • #4389
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    Loads of kids say that sort of thing today because a parent may be deceased or may have left or may never have been in the picture to begin with.

    For what it's worth a gay friend of mine has a daughter with her partner. That little girl is perfectly happy and well adjusted and more than happy to say she loves both her mothers.


  • #4390
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    endacl wrote: »
    Bbbbbbbut..... How do you get the Petri dish up...?...!...? :eek:

    ....never mind...

    Who cares... sure tis only a rented womb.


    :p


  • #4391
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    iDave wrote: »
    Seriously though lads and lassies have all the worst case scenarios the no side have presented happened in the Netherlands, Belgium or Canada? SSM there for over a decade.

    This is something the no side are actively ignoring!


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  • #4392
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Who cares... sure tis only a rented womb.


    :p

    Rally the feck out of it?!?


  • #4393
    diddley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭diddley


    Can anyone enlighten me? If this referendum has nothing to do with children, why is it still one of the main issues in the news?

    'Speaking on RTÉ's Today with Sean O'Rourke, Mr Mullen quoted Mr Justice Kevin Cross of the Referendum Commission as saying that it was very difficult to imagine how you could in future give preference to heterosexual parenting.'
    From http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0518/701948-referendum/


  • #4394
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    Hello, welcome to planet Earth. We have these things called single parent families here. Do you have anything to say about that? Any insults to level at them, perhaps?


  • #4395
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    endacl wrote: »
    Was chatting last night about Friday's vote. It was pointed out that the common unspoken subtext to almost all of the No arguments can be summarised as 'those people simply cannot be trusted around children'. That is a disgusting sentiment, and needs to be called out as such.
    It would be an impressive piece of mass distraction if only it wasn't so utterly horrifying.

    The priests convinced the population at large that the homosexuals were hiding in the shadows waiting to steal their children and rape and abuse them.

    So while the population were on the lookout for homosexuals, the priests snuck in and stole their children and raped and abused them.

    Thankfully a lot of the population has become wise to this, but it's very difficult to shake prejudice that's been beaten into you from an early age.


  • #4396
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    I'm still waiting for that one valid argument for a No vote. Come on No voters, ye have had years to think of it. Knock us out with a valid No argument!!! Is asking for just one too much??


  • #4397
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    Load of nonsense.

    Source is me, go read my post history.


  • #4398
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    I read somewhere that 23% of children in Ireland live in a single parent household.


  • #4399
    iDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    This is something the no side are actively ignoring!

    Its something I've asked twice on the thread and no answer.

    Think the Yes Equality people missed a trick by not bringing it up more.


  • #4400
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    diddley wrote: »
    Can anyone enlighten me? If this referendum has nothing to do with children, why is it still one of the main issues in the news?
    Because the NO side won't STFU about it and keep dragging it into the debate despite it not being related to the question.


  • #4401
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,167 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    I don't follow your logic. How is a bishop in his work clothes advocating no any different than a GAA player in his county jersey advocating yes. Campaigning for or against an issue is not the same as dictating the outcome.

    Hmm.... In this one the desire to quibble is strong.

    Regretfully, per Enda; I have realised the time has come to break contact and move on. Byeeeee............. :D


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  • #4402
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    traprunner wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for that one valid argument for a No vote. Come on No voters, ye have had years to think of it. Knock us out with a valid No argument!!! Is asking for just one too much??

    If we pass it we might get more points in eurovision and have to host it next year


  • #4403
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    So they are ok to bring them up as long as it's not as a married couple? Cos that's all that will be changed.


  • #4404
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    nokiatom wrote: »
    im not talking about marriage...I don't have a problem with that. its bringing up kids in a gay marriage upsets me. some day those kids will be asked...whats your fathers name or mothers name ? their reply will be...I don't have a mother or I don't have a father....that does not sound right to me and is it right for the kid to be in that situation? we all love our mothers and fathers but unfortunately those kids will never be able to say that

    1. That is entirely irrelevant to this debate. Gay people have kids already, and will continue to do so regardless of the result. So it has zero relevance to this discussion.

    2. Have you asked the children of these gay parents how they feel? In most cases they are rather happy with their upbringing.

    3. Have you asked any single parents whether its right for them to raise their kids in that situation?

    Bet you haven't.

    4. Have you asked children of those single parents how they felt about their upbringing? Again, most of them are fairly happy with theirs.

    5. Do you care about the facts in this? Because if so, you should be happy to know that all available evidence tells us that children raised by same sex couples do just as well as those raised by opposite sex couples.

    So you have nothing to worry about.


  • #4405
    nokiatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭nokiatom


    galljga1 wrote: »
    I will try one more time:
    Have you anything to say that is relevant to the upcoming referendum?

    yes I have ...im voting NO for the kids sake


  • #4406
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    diddley wrote: »
    Can anyone enlighten me? If this referendum has nothing to do with children, why is it still one of the main issues in the news?

    'Speaking on RTÉ's Today with Sean O'Rourke, Mr Mullen quoted Mr Justice Kevin Cross of the Referendum Commission as saying that it was very difficult to imagine how you could in future give preference to heterosexual parenting.'
    From http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0518/701948-referendum/

    Because the No side are trying to make it about children (scare-mongering) and RTE have to provide "balance" regardless of what that may entail. If the No side was that same sex marriage should be banned because it would cause the moon to fall from it's orbit and obliterate the Earth then RTE would need to dedicate time to that argument.

    What Justice Cross was trying to do was to spell out that the whole children angle is nonsense. Because it is.


  • #4407
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Load of nonsense.

    Source is me, go read my post history.

    Just in case the poster doesn't know how to do that...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057365334


  • #4408
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    nokiatom wrote: »
    yes I have ...im voting NO for the kids sake

    Which kids though? I'm not sure you know yourself...


  • #4409
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    nokiatom wrote: »
    yes I have ...im voting NO for the kids sake

    Can you please show how you came to the conclusion that you would vote No? I would hate to think that I have missed something enlightening and regret it in the future if I happen to find out that my Yes vote was incorrectly concluded.

    I am genuinely concerned.


  • #4410
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    nokiatom wrote: »
    yes I have ...im voting NO for the kids sake

    Which kids?


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  • #4411
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    nokiatom wrote: »
    yes I have ...im voting NO for the kids sake

    How will a no vote help kids?


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