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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #4352
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Carrigaline in Cork (where he was born and raised)

    On the playground where he spent most of his days.


  • #4353
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Or right, is that how debates work :rolleyes: I must have missed that memo.

    There is no such thing as "traditional marriage" at least not in the way he and others would like there to be, they are ignoarantly using this phrase without understanding marriage existed LONG before what they are using the phrase to refer to and it existed between same sex people well before this so called "traditional marriage" they think of ever existed


  • #4354
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Or right, is that how debates work :rolleyes: I must have missed that memo.

    How about this - your quoting from World Net Daily.

    Nobody who cites from, or is cited on there, can be taken seriously in any type of reasoned debate. The same site that broke the news about Obama's "secret gay husband" if I recall correctly.


  • #4355
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,167 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Expressing their opinion isn't the same as dictating what is in the Irish constitution. Is any group campaigning for a particular outcome dictating how marriage is defined? Of course not.

    I'll see a bishop as expressing his opinion when he's outside a church in mufti as a Mr expressing his opinion, rather than issuing letters to his parishioners from within a church on how to vote in line with their religion on a civil issue which won't affect their religion or their religious-sacramental marriages.

    Lol at your 2nd proposition; that no group is campaigning for a particular outcome. Will you now write that the Iona Institute stance on the issue is entirely and completely free of dictating how marriage is defined?


  • #4356
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    VinLieger wrote: »
    There is no such thing as "traditional marriage" at least not in the way he and others would like there to be, they are ignoarantly using this phrase without understanding marriage existed LONG before what they are using the phrase to refer to and it existed between same sex people well before this so called "traditional marriage" they think of ever existed

    Apart from a few roman emperors there are very few historical examples of gay marriage. It is well known what is meant by traditional marriage. You can't simply rewrite history to fit your point of view.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • #4357
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    gandalf wrote: »
    From looking at his twitter account he is already over in Austria.

    Oh good. Maybe it was Paddy Manning who said that then, don't remember. One of them was called out over it and then back-pedalled furiously and rearranged his travel plans (from what I recall). Hopefully the pair of them will be safe and sound in Vienna.


  • #4358
    iDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Seriously though lads and lassies have all the worst case scenarios the no side have presented happened in the Netherlands, Belgium or Canada? SSM there for over a decade.


  • #4359
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Apart from a few roman emperors there are very few historical examples of gay marriage. It is well known what is meant by traditional marriage. You can't simply rewrite history to fit your point of view.

    And yet again, America's best Christian to the rescue! :D



  • #4360
    nokiatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭nokiatom


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    In some spider species, the female eats the male after mating.

    It's not always in our best interests to act as nature does.
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that


  • #4361
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Or right, is that how debates work :rolleyes: I must have missed that memo.

    :rolleyes:
    You really need the memo ASAP because you need at least two people with opposing views for a debate. One person is a monologue.


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  • #4362
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I knew they were poisonous but their tactics in this campaign have really shocked me.

    Huh. Totally forgiveable for a newer resident of Ireland to be shocked, but unforgivable for natives not to be aware of exactly how low they can go. Their dirty tactics are well honed at this stage, passed on from generation to generation, from bogus charity to bogus charity, and spewed out at every progressive leap this country tries to make. I loath them in equal and proportionate measure to the extent they try to hold us back. Which is quite a long way.


  • #4363
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    Aren't there posters which say something about god and man and woman? And the church itself is calling for a no vote. Nearly all of the groups campaigning for a no vote at least Chrstian, mostly catholic.

    They are making it pretty clear that the marriage god "created" is the one that should be in the constitution.
    Happen to be having lunch in the van beside these.


  • #4364
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Happen to be having lunch in the van beside these.

    Indeed. He made a man and a woman, and they had two sons. One killed his brother, and shagged his mother. Adam's position on this odd arrangement remains unclear.


  • #4365
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that

    Wut? :confused:


  • #4366
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that

    Ah yes I remember walking up fully grown having just been birthed in the secret lab a thousand miles beneath Mount Doom. Just as I took my first breath I felt the heady rush of homosexuality course through my veins giving me incredible marriage redefining powers. Behold my Strength.


  • #4367
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Wut? :confused:
    Uh yeah - I mean aren't any of you invited to the weddings of straight animals that have occurred over the millennia in nature?!


  • #4368
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Apart from a few roman emperors there are very few historical examples of gay marriage. It is well known what is meant by traditional marriage. You can't simply rewrite history to fit your point of view.

    By traditional marriage do you mean polygamy? Or just a monogamous misogynistic property transaction? I presume marital rape is also part of your "traditional marriage"?

    And no, same sex marriage has been observed in a variety of cultures across the globe. In fact, I recall reading on here that the oldest evidence same sex marriage dates from close enough to the time of the oldest evidence of heterosexual marriage.


  • #4369
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Apart from a few roman emperors there are very few historical examples of gay marriage. It is well known what is meant by traditional marriage. You can't simply rewrite history to fit your point of view.

    What is meant by traditional marriage then? You mean traditional marriage in an Irish context where a husband was not able to be charged for raping his wife?


  • #4370
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Nicked from YLYL...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95524152&postcount=8003

    :D


  • #4371
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,744 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that
    In nature the vast majority of 'children' are reared by one-parent families, specifically by their mother.

    Therefore, by your reasoning, children should be reared by single mothers, yes?


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  • #4372
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Ah yes I remember walking up fully grown having just been birthed in the secret lab a thousand miles beneath Mount Doom. Just as I took my first breath I felt the heady rush of homosexuality course through my veins giving me incredible marriage redefining powers. Behold my Strength.

    I want super powers too :(

    I thought everything in the universe was naturally a part of nature. We don't create anything out of nothing and therefore everything has to be from nature.


  • #4373
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that

    You do know that nature didn't invent marriage, yes?

    Nature did invent rape mind. Good old nature, eh?


  • #4374
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that

    I will try one more time:
    Have you anything to say that is relevant to the upcoming referendum?


  • #4375
    NSAman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Happen to be having lunch in the van beside these.

    How nice to discriminate against Siamese twins


  • #4376
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    floggg wrote: »
    You do know that nature didn't invent marriage, yes?

    Nature did invent rape mind. Good old nature, eh?

    Feck nature - I like antibiotics.


  • #4377
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that

    How many species practice monogamy outside of humans? Im not disagreeing it happens but if nature knew best surely every species would practice monogamy. Marriage and monogamy are an entirely human invention trying to make out they are natural is hilarious.


  • #4378
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Feck nature - I like antibiotics.

    Technically they are nature too. Unless they were created out of nothing in a vacuum.


  • #4379
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,167 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    nokiatom wrote: »
    nature knows better and now humans want to change that

    Then nature screwed up by giving humans brains.


  • #4380
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Was chatting last night about Friday's vote. It was pointed out that the common unspoken subtext to almost all of the No arguments can be summarised as 'those people simply cannot be trusted around children'. That is a disgusting sentiment, and needs to be called out as such.


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  • #4381
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Feck nature - I like antibiotics.

    Technically, aren't they at least derived from nature?


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