Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

traprunner · 18-05-2015 11:10AM

The true basis of the No vote:

Evana Boyle: "Eww, that’s not right"

PopePalpatine · 18-05-2015 11:12AM

I wonder if her kids will grow up to be bullies.

Hermy · 18-05-2015 11:12AM

“The idea of having two dads, they just go, ‘Eww'...

And another thing that makes children say 'Eww' is if you ask them have they got a boyfriend or girlfriend.
That's becuase they're children and children say 'Eww' to all sorts of stuff.
But they grow up and they learn about stuff and then they don't say 'Eww' anymore.

Kiwi in IE · 18-05-2015 11:13AM

New no posters up everywhere in my area today. One that reads "Don't be silenced, vote no". Appalling carry on!

jobbridge4life · 18-05-2015 11:14AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

New no posters up everywhere in my area today. One that reads "Don't be silenced, vote no". Appalling carry on!

AKA 'Don't Think; Obey.'

K4t · 18-05-2015 11:16AM

And here we go.

PaddyPower odds for a failed referendum down to 3/1 today from 9/2 last night.

Looks like that seismic shift is occurring, or else it wasn't really needed in the first place.

traprunner · 18-05-2015 11:17AM

K4t wrote: »

And here we go.

PaddyPower odds for a failed referendum down to 3/1 today from 9/2 last night.

Looks like that seismic shift is occurring, or else it wasn't really needed in the first place.

Money being put on No would decrease the odds. It's not necessarily a big shift. They could just be trying to cover their arse just in case.

VinLieger · 18-05-2015 11:18AM

K4t wrote: »

And here we go.

PaddyPower odds for a failed referendum down to 3/1 today from 9/2 last night.

Looks like that seismic shift is occurring, or else it wasn't really needed in the first place.

Balls

ixoy · 18-05-2015 11:19AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

New no posters up everywhere in my area today. One that reads "Don't be silenced, vote no". Appalling carry on!

I'm still waiting to see how anyone is being silenced with No posters everywhere, lectures delivered in church and constant articles from No side in all publications.

Similar vein, "Use Your Conscience - Vote No". Equally "Use Your Conscience - Vote Yes". But apparently the moral thing to do is "Vote No". Y'know for the kids or something.

homerjay2005 · 18-05-2015 11:22AM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Same sex marriage is legal in Spain. Very open towards homosexuality here and they would find it extremely backwards if this didn't pass. I'd feel deeply ashamed as I said before.

why we worried what the Spanish would think!!??

there are multiple countries that this referendum wouldnt be allowed to take place and/or wouldnt pass if it was, so i am not sure if using what others would think of us as being a reason to vote yes is a correct approach. or in other words, there will also be many countries that will find it strange if it does pass...it works both ways.

out of the 200+ countries in the world right now, does anybody have a list of how many of them actually allow it?

PopePalpatine · 18-05-2015 11:23AM

Speaking of No posters, I've seen a load of new ones on the Cabra Rd on my way into work about how homosexuality is against God and nature. I can't say I'd be saddened to see them torn down.

Kiwi in IE · 18-05-2015 11:24AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The Indo is so incredibly biased it's unreal - but if they keep screaming about the collapse of the Yes vote it may encourage Yes voters to get out and vote so leave 'em at it I say.

At least we know where they stand and I know I for one will avoid that particular publication in future.

Why did the Bishops comments about what schools will be allowed to teach about 'homosexual acts' get front page over Varadkars rational, fair logical comments?

And please tell me exactly what schools are currently allowed to teach about 'homosexual acts', because of my child ever comes home and tells me that he was told anything that includes the words 'abomination', 'sin', 'wrong', 'unnatural' or anything even slightly derogatory, I will be going straight to the human rights commission.

Schools need to cop onto their social responsibility and their responsibility to their students. Surely this has to come before 'ethos' in areas like this where there is a major clash!

floggg · 18-05-2015 11:24AM

Hermy wrote: »

And another thing that makes children say 'Eww' is if you ask them have they got a boyfriend or girlfriend.
That's becuase they're children and children say 'Eww' to all sorts of stuff.
But they grow up and they learn about stuff and then they don't say 'Eww' anymore.

And broccoli.

Guess we need to ban that now too....

jobbridge4life · 18-05-2015 11:25AM

floggg wrote: »

And broccoli.

Guess we need to ban that now too....

No! cauliflower.

Bannasidhe · 18-05-2015 11:27AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

why we worried what the Spanish would think!!??

there are multiple countries that this referendum wouldnt be allowed to take place and/or wouldnt pass if it was, so i am not sure if using what others would think of us as being a reason to vote yes is a correct approach. or in other words, there will also be many countries that will find it strange if it does pass...it works both ways.

out of the 200+ countries in the world right now, does anybody have a list of how many of them actually allow it?

BeardedLady lives in Spain and was commenting on how the overwhelmingly Catholic Spanish would find a No vote strange.

Maybe read the posts properly before going off on a wee rant.

Bannasidhe · 18-05-2015 11:29AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Why did the Bishops comments about what schools will be allowed to teach about 'homosexual acts' get front page over Varadkars rational, fair logical comments?

And please tell me exactly what schools are currently allowed to teach about 'homosexual acts', because of my child ever comes home and tells me that he was told anything that includes the words 'abomination', 'sin', 'wrong', 'unnatural' or anything even slightly derogatory, I will be going straight to the human rights commission.

Schools need to cop onto their social responsibility and their responsibility to their students. Surely this has to come before 'ethos' in areas like this where there is a major clash!

Because the Indo seem to have adopted a virulently anti SSM editorial policy.
If you can bare it have a look at the pre-moderated comments under any article on SSM... it's a hate fest.

And 'ethos'.

SafeSurfer · 18-05-2015 11:31AM

I think the fear among many conservative groups is that it will be same sex marriage first and then yet another abortion referendum will follow. Especially if Labour form part of the next government.

I have only met two openly No voters, both elderly. The no vote I predict will be highest among rural voters, older voters and men.

The forecast for Friday is for a pretty mild, dry day. A wet and windy polling day would put many older voters off.

PopePalpatine · 18-05-2015 11:31AM

I don't think I've ever bought the Indo, and I might take an odd peek at the Letters page out of curiosity when I'm in a library.

Then again, I don't think I've ever bought a newspaper for at least a couple of years.

TheBeardedLady · 18-05-2015 11:32AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

why we worried what the Spanish would think!!??

there are multiple countries that this referendum wouldnt be allowed to take place and/or wouldnt pass if it was, so i am not sure if using what others would think of us as being a reason to vote yes is a correct approach. or in other words, there will also be many countries that will find it strange if it does pass...it works both ways.

out of the 200+ countries in the world right now, does anybody have a list of how many of them actually allow it?

I was responding to a poster. It's also relevant as the fears whipped up by the NO side never came to pass just as they wouldn't Ireland. Our societies are comparable.

TheBeardedLady · 18-05-2015 11:34AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

BeardedLady lives in Spain and was commenting on how the overwhelmingly Catholic Spanish would find a No vote strange.

Maybe read the posts properly before going off on a wee rant.

Thank you. We've more in common culturally with the Spanish than possibly any other European country bar maybe the UK. It's relevant.

Bannasidhe · 18-05-2015 11:34AM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I don't think I've ever bought the Indo, and I might take an odd peek at the Letters page out of curiosity when I'm in a library.

Then again, I don't think I've ever bought a newspaper for at least a couple of years.

Brace yourself before reading the comments...

WoolyJumper · 18-05-2015 11:35AM

On a brighter note, I know three people in their late 20s, never voted for anything are voting yes this Friday.

Kiwi in IE · 18-05-2015 11:36AM

I too really feel for you guys who are going to be directly affected by the outcome. I am so heat up about this referendum, I feel consumed by it at the moment, I can only imagine how you guys must feel. For me personally, the importance of the outcome is the type of society that I want to live in, and that I want my son to grow up in. If it were about whether or not the society I live in is prepared to treat me equally to everyone else, I am unsure whether my urge to tear those posters down would be able to be contained. Fair play to you all for being so calm and rational in the face of this hideous campaign.

K4t · 18-05-2015 11:36AM

traprunner wrote: »

Money being put on No would decrease the odds. It's not necessarily a big shift. They could just be trying to cover their arse just in case.

Yes, but why is the money being put on a No? Unless it's another ingenious ploy by Iona who are putting campaign funds on a No bet, it reflects a shift, where more and more doubt is being raised by the No side, and a lot of undecided voters are now not only unsure about the merits or equality of a yes vote, but tempted to vote No for children rather than even abstain or stay at home.

What I can't understand myself is how Irish people could be fooled and controlled in their thinking by the Catholic Church in 2015, after all of the history and misery. It's like a form of Stockholm syndrome.

gandalf · 18-05-2015 11:36AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think the fear among many conservative groups is that it will be same sex marriage first and then yet another abortion referendum will follow. Especially if Labour form part of the next government.

I have only met two openly No voters, both elderly. The no vote I predict will be highest among rural voters, older voters and men.

The forecast for Friday is for a pretty mild, dry day. A wet and windy polling day would put many older voters off.

The weather will not put the older generation off at all. The are always the largest most consistent demographic that vote. If we have a low turnout then this referendum will be defeated. The key is young people getting off their arses and voting. I was very heartened to see so many registering to vote, now they have to get out and do the actual voting. If the weather is bad I can see their numbers being less but not the elder generation. They view this as their duty to vote.

gandalf · 18-05-2015 11:38AM

K4t wrote: »

Yes, but why is the money being put on a No? Unless it's another ingenious ploy by Iona who are putting campaign funds on a No bet, it reflects a shift, where more and more doubt is being raised by the No side, and a lot of undecided voters are now not only unsure about the merits or equality of a yes vote, but tempted to vote No for children rather than even abstain or stay at home.

What I can't understand myself is how Irish people could be fooled and controlled in their thinking by the Catholic Church in 2015, after all of the history and misery. It's like a form of Stockholm syndrome.

TBH the odds tightening is probably the bookies hedging their bets. It actually doesn't do the no side any favours. The closer the odds the more likely people will sit up and go "feck" this might actually be defeated and get out and vote.

I am actually happy the odds are coming down, it should ensure that people are not being complacent about the result any more.

Shrap · 18-05-2015 11:39AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Brace yourself before reading the comments...

Oh no. Never read the Indo comments. Lowest of the low.

Maximus Alexander · 18-05-2015 11:39AM

K4t wrote: »

Yes, but why is the money being put on a No? Unless it's another ingenious ploy by Iona who are putting campaign funds on a No bet, it reflects a shift, where more and more doubt is being raised by the No side, and a lot of undecided voters are now not only unsure about the merits or equality of a yes vote, but tempted to vote No for children rather than even abstain or stay at home.

What I can't understand myself is how Irish people could be fooled and controlled in their thinking by the Catholic Church in 2015, after all of the history and misery. It's like a form of Stockholm syndrome.

I almost bet on No when it was at 5/1. Not because I think the amendment will necessarily be rejected, but because it will be far tighter than those odds suggest, so it represents good value. All it takes is a few people thinking like that to place big bets and the odds will shift, I wouldn't read too much into it.

All the odds tell you is how people are betting, they tell you nothing about the actual future.

homerjay2005 · 18-05-2015 11:40AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

BeardedLady lives in Spain and was commenting on how the overwhelmingly Catholic Spanish would find a No vote strange.

Maybe read the posts properly before going off on a wee rant.

and maybe you should read all my post properly before accusing me of going on a rant also.

and do you happen to have an answer to my question about figures on where gay marraige is allowed?

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Thank you. We've more in common culturally with the Spanish than possibly any other European country bar maybe the UK. It's relevant.

do we??? i wouldnt even have Spain in the top 10 taking everything into account.

traprunner · 18-05-2015 11:40AM

K4t wrote: »

Yes, but why is the money being put on a No? Unless it's another ingenious ploy by Iona who are putting campaign funds on a No bet, it reflects a shift, where more and more doubt is being raised by the No side, and a lot of undecided voters are now not only unsure about the merits or equality of a yes vote, but tempted to vote No for children rather than even abstain or stay at home.

What I can't understand myself is how Irish people could be fooled and controlled in their thinking by the Catholic Church in 2015, after all of the history and misery. It's like a form of Stockholm syndrome.

Gamblers realise it will be closer than the poll suggests and the odds are attractive. I still think Yes with 55-60% but that would be close enough for many gamblers to take a punt with the high No odds.

I think gambling on referendums or elections should be banned. The chance of a quick buck can distort what the population really want.

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