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Animals recognized as sentient beings in Australia!

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  • #32
    silverfeather
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    DareGod wrote: »
    It doesn't say that "testing on animals has been banned."

    It simply refers to "a ban" on testing on animals.

    So I'm just wondering..... can anyone confirm the terms and conditions of the ban in question?

    It's a ban on cosmetic testing on Animals in oz.
    The EU banned the sale of cosmetics tested on animals last year. I don't buy products that are online either I make sure. I hope everywhere else does too.

    Oz has also banned the bringing of animal trophies into the country such as lion heads that have been mounted etc.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    silverfeather wrote: »
    I hate you!

    Grand.

    Now here's a deal. Post that again, only this time with a link to the text of the Australian legislation that you say was passed sometime between last Tuesday and today, and I'll withdraw my suggestion that you were lazy and unthinking in your OP.

    (Just finished my Lidl chicken, by the way).


  • #34
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Grand.

    Now here's a deal. Post that again, only this time with a link to the text of the Australian legislation that you say was passed sometime between last Tuesday and today, and I'll withdraw my suggestion that you were lazy and unthinking in your OP.

    (Just finished my Lidl chicken, by the way).
    Honestly could not give a hoot what you think. I don't like your glib attitude towards animal rights. Bye


  • #35
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    FluffyAngel wrote: »

    We have a way of treating animals in Ireland that is beyond cruelty ..
    Maybe if you use your own bizarre definition but for the most part domestic animals in Ireland live idyllic lives up until the moment they get surprised killed.

    I think you can certainly say many animals are sentient, but many simply aren't. Human emotions are a human adaptation that other animals don't have. Animals have there own way of dealing with the world.


  • #36
    DareGod
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    silverfeather wrote: »
    It's a ban on cosmetic testing on Animals in oz.
    The EU banned the sale of cosmetics tested on animals last year. I don't buy products that are online either I make sure. I hope everywhere else does too.

    Oz has also banned the bringing of animal trophies into the country such as lion heads that have been mounted etc.

    I know that it's "a ban" on cosmetic testing, but is it a blanket ban or a conditional ban? The article doesn't specify, like, at all.

    Also, did the EU apply a blanket ban on cosmetics tested on animals? I'm fairly certain most of the cosmetics on sale in Boots have still been tested on animals.


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  • #37
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    DareGod wrote: »
    I know that it's "a ban" on cosmetic testing, but is it a blanket ban or a conditional ban? The article doesn't specify, like, at all.

    Also, did the EU apply a blanket ban on cosmetics tested on animals? I'm fairly certain most of the cosmetics on sale in Boots have still been tested on animals.
    It has a link in the article to the actual bill ??? :rolleyes:

    Here is the ACTUAL BILL that is linked in the ACTUAL ARTICLE IN MY FIRST POST!!!

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0107/latest/DLM5174807.html?path=bill%2fgovernment%2f2013%2f0107%2flatest&col=bill&fid=DLM5174807&search=sw_096be8ed81047b83_sentient_25_se&p=1

    Seriously are you guys actually trying to annoy me?


  • #38
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    DareGod wrote: »
    Also, did the EU apply a blanket ban on cosmetics tested on animals? I'm fairly certain most of the cosmetics on sale in Boots have still been tested on animals.
    Yes ...if they are then they are illegal.


  • #39
    FluffyAngel
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Maybe if you use your own bizarre definition but for the most part domestic animals in Ireland live idyllic lives up until the moment they get surprised killed.
    td.

    Shucks scum Lord , you made me blush with your kindness ..

    Some figures below for you
    Doubt they just get surprised, that journey and meat mart approach means something

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/280000-animals-used-for-testing-in-2010-184465.html


  • #40
    DareGod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭DareGod


    silverfeather wrote: »
    It has a link in the article to the actual bill ??? :rolleyes:

    Here is the ACTUAL BILL that is linked in the ACTUAL ARTICLE IN MY FIRST POST!!!

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0107/latest/DLM5174807.html?path=bill%2fgovernment%2f2013%2f0107%2flatest&col=bill&fid=DLM5174807&search=sw_096be8ed81047b83_sentient_25_se&p=1

    Seriously are you guys actually trying to annoy me?

    I'm just trying to ensure the wool isn't being pulled over our eyes by fancy-sounding words and articles. The bill is likely to contain allowances for certain circumstances in which animals may be tested-on.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    silverfeather wrote: »
    Honestly could not give a hoot what you think. I don't like your glib attitude towards animal rights. Bye

    Yes, but at least I'm thinking. :rolleyes:

    If you cared about animal rights as much as you claim, you'd put in a bit of an effort to get your facts right.

    Now, where's that link? You said the Australians have passed a law in the last couple of days giving recognition to animals as sentient beings. Where's the text of the legislation?


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  • #42
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    FluffyAngel wrote: »
    Shucks scum Lord , you made me blush with your kindness ..

    Some figures below for you
    Doubt they just get surprised, that journey and meat mart approach means something

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/280000-animals-used-for-testing-in-2010-184465.html
    That's a bit surprising, I didn't realize so much testing was done here. Although, the article doesn't really state what testing entails. It says in the article that it also covers medicines for animals, you do kind of have to end up testing medicine on the creature that it's intended for. "testing" could mean anything from trying different feeds to seeing which bullet is more effective. It doesn't really tell us a lot.

    I have no problems with animal testing, every effort should be made to make the whole process as painless as possible but I see no reason why I should get upset that a cow died making my medicine if I can live with the fact a cow died to put food on my plate.


  • #43
    Mint Aero
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    Don't care as long as we can still slaughter them for yummy food :)


  • #44
    RaRaRasputin
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Maybe if you use your own bizarre definition but for the most part domestic animals in Ireland live idyllic lives up until the moment they get surprised killed.

    I think you can certainly say many animals are sentient, but many simply aren't. Human emotions are a human adaptation that other animals don't have. Animals have there own way of dealing with the world.

    Please help me out here, but what type of animal are you referring to as a domestic one? I was just wondering if you were capturing there group?
    Dogs running around in estates, turkeys running wild and pecking people to death or even butterflies pooping in your flower pots?


  • #45
    ScumLord
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    Mint Aero wrote: »
    Don't care as long as we can still slaughter them for yummy food :)
    We can. Now though we have to tell them a joke before we kill them. Up until now the joke hasn't been required by law because we didn't think they'd get the joke. All that's change now.


  • #46
    catbear
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    Well Australia once dealt with Aboriginal affairs through the department of the Flora and Fauna.


  • #47
    silverfeather
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes, but at least I'm thinking. :rolleyes:

    If you cared about animal rights as much as you claim, you'd put in a bit of an effort to get your facts right.

    Now, where's that link? You said the Australians have passed a law in the last couple of days giving recognition to animals as sentient beings. Where's the text of the legislation?
    The link to the legislation is in the article. I also posted it again above.


    I really dislike you ...remember that. I will.:)


  • #48
    silverfeather
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    catbear wrote: »
    Well Australia once dealt with Aboriginal affairs through the department of the Flora and Fauna.
    I didn't know that. :(


  • #49
    Reiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Reiver


    Nice! So now they can intern them in camps just like humans!

    Great to see tensions have died down since the Emu War though.


  • #50
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Reiver wrote: »
    Nice! So now they can intern them in camps just like humans!

    Great to see tensions have died down since the Emu War though.
    They do tend to take sweeping actions against wildlife they consider to be a 'nuisance'.
    If we had a military division with the bullet-carrying capacity of these birds it would face any army in the world... They can face machine guns with the invulnerability of tanks. They are like Zulus whom even dum-dum bullets could not stop.” - The Sun Herald, 5 July 1953.

    Apparently they almost outwitted the Australian Army.


  • #51
    catbear
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    silverfeather wrote: »
    I didn't know that. :(
    Section 25 of their constitution says any state can ban people from voting based on their race. Yes that article stills stands in their constitution and it's teh 21st century.


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  • #52
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    catbear wrote: »
    Section 25 of their constitution says any state can ban people from voting based on their race. Yes that article stills stands in their constitution and it's teh 21st century.
    Wow :(


  • #53
    Reiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Reiver


    silverfeather wrote: »
    They do tend to take sweeping actions against wildlife they consider to be a 'nuisance'.



    Apparently they almost outwitted the Australian Army.

    I think the wiki page used to have it listed as an actual war. Great fun seeing stuff like "Decisive Emu victory" and "Loss of Australian national dignity".


    Wow. That article in the constitution must be a holdover from the "White Australia" policy. Can't believe it hasn't been repealed.


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
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    silverfeather wrote: »
    The link to the legislation is in the article. I also posted it again above.

    It isn't, and you didn't.

    Where is the text of the legislation that you say was passed by the Australian (however it's spelt) parliament in the last few days?

    silverfeather wrote: »
    I really dislike you ...remember that. I will.:)

    There's no need to be immature or personal. All you have to do is post a link to the Australian legislation that you claim was passed in the last few days, and then I can retract my observation that your OP was lazy and unthinking.


  • #55
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    So..are we treating cows well when we make them into burgers.. rights for some animals ,right? Some more equal than others and all that..

    I don't want to be that self righteous guy,maybe I am being him right now but I just don't get why everyone blows up if a puppy owner uses a leash thats too tight or gives them food that upsets their tummy but they'll tuck into a beef steak the same night or have an exterminator gas the mice in their basement


  • #56
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Can't be having that, next the animals they'll be wanting marriage and then the ghey marriage thereafter

    I walked into the woods the other day and say two male squirrels going at it, an abomination. Think how confused their children would be having two squirrel daddies


  • #57
    Canis Lupus
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    I'm in Australia and there has been no mention of this and trust me they'd report a f*cking pothole in the road in this country.

    Looking at that article it mentions Australia initially but links to a New Zealand legislation and then only mentions NZ again in the article itself. I reckon it's a typo.


  • #58
    silverfeather
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    So..are we treating cows well when we make them into burgers.. rights for some animals ,right? Some more equal than others and all that..

    I don't want to be that self righteous guy,maybe I am being him right now but I just don't get why everyone blows up if a puppy owner uses a leash thats too tight or gives them food that upsets their tummy but they'll tuck into a beef steak the same night or have an exterminator gas the mice in their basement
    We should all go veggie ...they call us extreme though :rolleyes:


  • #59
    Ficheall
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    Does this mean I'll finally be allowed to marry a sheep?


  • #60
    silverfeather
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    Does this mean I'll finally be allowed to marry a sheep?
    Sheep can't give consent. Sorry.:o


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  • #61
    darkpagandeath
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    Animals do not have Human emotions or Feelings Humans have Human Emotions and human feelings.


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