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stretch film · 15-05-2015 07:58PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Know a lad who presrays with weak persidic acid seems to work well for him no wiping or cluster dipping,only 5 ml per 1l so cheap as well

Have the droppers here so spray standard sol on any high scc and spray up cluster post milking. Great for a targeted approach and much tidier than a bucket . Cheap option compared to cluster flush but would add to routine noticeably if an every day job

Greengrass1 · 15-05-2015 08:32PM

Henwin wrote: »

what routine does everyone have with milking. we pre-spray, wipe, put on cluster, dip clusters in nano dual, and post spray. this is as a result of having very high cell count cows and mastitis problems over the last 6 months. but the problem with dipping the clusters is the fumes in the pit are bad, my nose runs and i get a sore throat from it. do others with mastitis problems have this issue

I feel your pain henwin.
We did all that for 5/6 yrs longer than we should have but dad was to afraid to stop it fir fear of staf aurus flaring up again and loosing a pile of cows.
only stopped dipping clusters last summer I think.
now we prespray during winter wipe cup on and soray again.
Since Cows About march we have just been cupping on and post spraying scc currently at 62.
have you had tests done to find what bug you have and get right antibiotics be them tubes and/or injections with tubes.

If not I'd suggest do this asap
milk record find your high scc girls put them in separate herd and treat them. It'll be expensive but if you can cure them it will save slot of hard ache.
It will take a few yrs but right tube at dry off does wonders.

johnny122 · 15-05-2015 08:35PM

Henwin wrote: »

what routine does everyone have with milking. we pre-spray, wipe, put on cluster, dip clusters in nano dual, and post spray. this is as a result of having very high cell count cows and mastitis problems over the last 6 months. but the problem with dipping the clusters is the fumes in the pit are bad, my nose runs and i get a sore throat from it. do others with mastitis problems have this issue

First you have to identify your high cell ones , and separate from heard and milk last, that will do away with dipping which has variable results at best ( no way your going to kill all the bugs dipping clusters in a bucket)
This in turn makes milking much easier wouldn't bother pre dipping would use a good post spray like virolac,super cow or udder gold they are super!
Check your machine ( I assume you have done this) 90% of the time it's not the cause anyway,
Are cows piccking up infection from your environment eg dirty cubicles yards parlour , water hoses after milking

Treat dodgy cows and if not responding get rid asap they will only spread it to the others,

johnny122 · 15-05-2015 08:38PM

stretch film wrote: »

Have the droppers here so spray standard sol on any high scc and spray up cluster post milking. Great for a targeted approach and much tidier than a bucket . Cheap option compared to cluster flush but would add to routine noticeably if an every day job

Cluster flush is really the only way to be 100% sure the job is done right

whelan2 · 15-05-2015 08:43PM

Henwin wrote: »

what routine does everyone have with milking. we pre-spray, wipe, put on cluster, dip clusters in nano dual, and post spray. this is as a result of having very high cell count cows and mastitis problems over the last 6 months. but the problem with dipping the clusters is the fumes in the pit are bad, my nose runs and i get a sore throat from it. do others with mastitis problems have this issue

had high scc here over the years, i milk record, i get rid of the highest scc cows often straight to the factory. Wear gloves when milking, if i get high results between milk recordings i get recorder to come and do a one off just scc, touch wood scc has been under 150 for the last good while. Just post spray with virolac, also change liners etc often. Even ifyou are keeping the high scc cows milk out they are still infecting other cows. Make sure you are teat spraying all of each teat, Iwent to an ahi scc workshop and I learnt alot

jaymla627 · 15-05-2015 08:52PM

johnny122 wrote: »

First you have to identify your high cell ones , and separate from heard and milk last, that will do away with dipping which has variable results at best ( no way your going to kill all the bugs dipping clusters in a bucket)
This in turn makes milking much easier wouldn't bother pre dipping would use a good post spray like virolac,super cow or udder gold they are super!
Check your machine ( I assume you have done this) 90% of the time it's not the cause anyway,
Are cows piccking up infection from your environment eg dirty cubicles yards parlour , water hoses after milking

Treat dodgy cows and if not responding get rid asap they will only spread it to the others,

Cluster dipp her religiously, peractic acid mixed with some teat spray and water, the past two years have had only two clinical cases of mastitis in the cows, it's definetley working here....

johnny122 · 15-05-2015 08:54PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Cluster dipp her religiously, peractic acid mixed with some teat spray and water, the past two years have had only two clinical cases of mastitis in the cows, it's definetley working here....

Course it is some pain in the arse though is my point

trixi2011 · 15-05-2015 08:58PM

johnny122 wrote: »

Course it is some pain in the arse though is my point

+1 .

jaymla627 · 15-05-2015 08:59PM

johnny122 wrote: »

Course it is some pain in the arse though is my point

Once you get into the routine of doing it, you wouldn't even notice,bigger pain in the arse tubing cows for mastitis and dumping milk, seen where last years milk quality award winner was running at 18 cases per 100 cows our something if he's ment to be top of the class what's the average lad losing in milk sales and culling cows due to high scc

Dawggone · 15-05-2015 08:59PM

kowtow wrote: »

But by the same token any farmer who needs the co-op to collect milk should be able to sell that milk, preferably at some kind of "national pool" price which can be set between the co-ops, with no strings attached. That way the co-ops legal status & duties as first purchasers of milk would be satisfied, and those who choose to play dice with the co-op board over the bells and whistles of a contract, input purchases, etc. can do so knowing exactly what premium over the base price they are getting in return for their commitment.

Excellent post. Thanks Kowtow.

The above ran in my area for a while...
The farmers 'sold' their milk to a pool that held a weekly auction. Brilliant while it lasted as milk price was excellent with three strong coop's in the area. It didn't last too long as it didn't suit the processors so they took their case to court and it was ruled against. Four cpl of a drop overnight.

Not so long ago in the boom times I was debating with an Irish bank about their massive profits. Banker says to me why not buy in, so I did....that ended well.

My old man used to say about coop's, "Built by the Farmer, for the Farmer, to fcuk the Farmer".

trixi2011 · 15-05-2015 09:00PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Cluster dipp her religiously, peractic acid mixed with some teat spray and water, the past two years have had only two clinical cases of mastitis in the cows, it's definetley working here....

Do you this year long ? Couldn't see it working in anything over 8 units be wasting to much time

jaymla627 · 15-05-2015 09:14PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Do you this year long ? Couldn't see it working in anything over 8 units be wasting to much time

Got a outbreak of Steph uberus in the spring of 2012, cell count was in the millions for one month, was advised to cluster dip and did...
Ever since have cluster dipped between all cows every milking, cell count averaging 100 k the past two years and no cows have been culled the past 2 years because of mastitis issues...
Milking in a 14 unit here and putting through 80 cows in 45 mins averaging 30 litres, easily put through in 35 mins when they come of peak, when you weigh up what I'm saving compared to the average farmer with say 20-30 cases per 100 cows a year and maybe having to cull a few every year your talking thousands of euro

Greengrass1 · 15-05-2015 09:17PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Got a outbreak of Steph uberus in the spring of 2012, cell count was in the millions for one month, was advised to cluster dip and did...
Ever since have cluster dipped between all cows every milking, cell count averaging 100 k the past two years and no cows have been culled the past 2 years because of mastitis issues...
Milking in a 14 unit here and putting through 80 cows in 45 mins averaging 30 litres, easily put through in 35 mins when they come of peak, when you weigh up what I'm saving compared to the average farmer with say 20-30 cases per 100 cows a year and maybe having to cull a few every year your talking thousands of euro

I've done what your at no way will I go back to it. Have had one case of masts this spring and only post spraying I'd keep a separate herd before I'd go back dipping

jaymla627 · 15-05-2015 09:26PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I've done what your at no way will I go back to it. Have had one case of masts this spring and only post spraying I'd keep a separate herd before I'd go back dipping

Each to their own I guess, it's working with us and I find it no hassle so will keep it up, you come across horror stories every spring where mastitis comes in and screws up a batch of heifers and cows at least with cluster dipping your vastly decreasing the risk of a big outbreak in the time it takes you to get the outbreak cleared up

Greengrass1 · 15-05-2015 09:31PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Each to their own I guess, it's working with us and I find it no hassle so will keep it up, you come across horror stories every spring where mastitis comes in and screws up a batch of heifers and cows at least with cluster dipping your vastly decreasing the risk of a big outbreak in the time it takes you to get the outbreak cleared up

The greenfield took part in a teat sealer trial this yr. All ciws scc tested at dry off then tested at calving when antibiotics were clear. Got a few before mastitis was a prob. Really helped there mastitis issues I reckon

trixi2011 · 15-05-2015 09:42PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Got a outbreak of Steph uberus in the spring of 2012, cell count was in the millions for one month, was advised to cluster dip and did...
Ever since have cluster dipped between all cows every milking, cell count averaging 100 k the past two years and no cows have been culled the past 2 years because of mastitis issues...
Milking in a 14 unit here and putting through 80 cows in 45 mins averaging 30 litres, easily put through in 35 mins when they come of peak, when you weigh up what I'm saving compared to the average farmer with say 20-30 cases per 100 cows a year and maybe having to cull a few every year your talking thousands of euro

I wouldn't think the average farmer would be as high as 20-30% clinical mastitis , they have a serious problem if it's as high as that . Don't think it would work 4 me in the 44 unit to many buckets

C0N0R · 15-05-2015 09:43PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

I wouldn't think the average farmer would be as high as 20-30% clinical mastitis , they have a serious problem if it's as high as that . Don't think it would work 4 me in the 44 unit to many buckets

11 buckets would be a fair pain in the hole alrite down the pit!

trixi2011 · 15-05-2015 09:52PM

C0N0R wrote: »

11 buckets would be a fair pain in the hole alrite down the pit!

Be no buckets here anyways milking is long enough without adding to it. Think if I had a problem I'd prespray

trixi2011 · 15-05-2015 09:52PM

C0N0R wrote: »

11 buckets would be a fair pain in the hole alrite down the pit!

Any sign of silage up your way yet ?

Brown Podzol · 15-05-2015 10:18PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Excellent post. Thanks Kowtow.

The above ran in my area for a while...
The farmers 'sold' their milk to a pool that held a weekly auction. Brilliant while it lasted as milk price was excellent with three strong coop's in the area. It didn't last too long as it didn't suit the processors so they took their case to court and it was ruled against. Four cpl of a drop overnight.

Not so long ago in the boom times I was debating with an Irish bank about their massive profits. Banker says to me why not buy in, so I did....that ended well.

My old man used to say about coop's, "Built by the Farmer, for the Farmer, to fcuk the Farmer".

Lot of truth in what you say. Defined benefit pensions in Dairygold and the fund is worth almost the same as the total assets of the co-op.

topgeas · 15-05-2015 10:28PM

plug out the fence while milking. it sorted out my scc from 180-80. teat spray after milking. 60 plus cows here.

caseman · 15-05-2015 10:32PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Bit of a Wtf moment here this am. We're finished calving since last week of April so you can imagine my surprise when I was collecting cows this am to find a Hereford bull calf sucking a cow in the paddock.

Now to register??????? Doh!!

Happened here this year, 3 cows standing over the one calve all in calving shed.
Thought i picked the wright cow brought her and calve in the morning after for milking.

johnny122 · 15-05-2015 10:32PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Each to their own I guess, it's working with us and I find it no hassle so will keep it up, you come across horror stories every spring where mastitis comes in and screws up a batch of heifers and cows at least with cluster dipping your vastly decreasing the risk of a big outbreak in the time it takes you to get the outbreak cleared up

Cluster flush all the way. !!!!!

Dawggone · 15-05-2015 11:04PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Lot of truth in what you say. Defined benefit pensions in Dairygold and the fund is worth almost the same as the total assets of the co-op.

Lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Nice perk the defined benefit pension.
"Coz I'm worth it"

whelan2 · 16-05-2015 06:52AM

glanbia milk cheques are in account:)

Deepsouthwest · 16-05-2015 07:15AM

Drop of .75c/l, that's down now to 30.97 incl vat and bonuses in Drinagh coop this month. Hope it stops there, but not confident.

Greengrass1 · 16-05-2015 07:54AM

Finished the drafting pen in the end......well kinda.
Served 10 cows one morning and it was no use. Will have it ready for next yr. Had one tramp of a heifer who just jumped over the gates no bother to her

whelan2 · 16-05-2015 07:58AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Finished the drafting pen in the end......well kinda.
Served 10 cows one morning and it was no use. Will have it ready for next yr. Had one tramp of a heifer who just jumped over the gates no bother to her

had a cow in a few weeks ago when hoof care man was here , she would go in to the crush no bother but jump across the crush about half way down each time, i gave up when she jumped the crush again and then jumped a gate and ended up sitting on the middle of the gate, if shes able to jump her feet arent too bad:rolleyes:

Greengrass1 · 16-05-2015 08:02AM

whelan2 wrote: »

had a cow in a few weeks ago when hoof care man was here , she would go in to the crush no bother but jump across the crush about half way down each time, i gave up when she jumped the crush again and then jumped a gate and ended up sitting on the middle of the gate, if shes able to jump her feet arent too bad:rolleyes:

AI man was telling us he has never came across a crazier batch if heifers than thus yrs.
They just don't like being handled and alot are bonkers in a crush.

Ours were like pets going to out farm this spring and still mainly are but separate them Out into 1s and 2s and there pure wild

whelan2 · 16-05-2015 08:07AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

AI man was telling us he has never came across a crazier batch if heifers than thus yrs.
They just don't like being handled and alot are bonkers in a crush.

Ours were like pets going to out farm this spring and still mainly are but separate them Out into 1s and 2s and there pure wild

we were freezebranding a few weeks ago- later than normal- so heifers where done calved, they where like pets , nearly didnt have to hold their tails, man was saying it was a pleasure to do them compared to last year when they where in calf/maidens

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