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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    That went way over your head, something that pits man against man shouldn't be put to vote, it's no way for the goverment to do this. It wasn't meant to be a put down to gays but it was pointing out the bloody oblivious to the poster playing the violin who thought everyone hates him that votes no.

    That makes no sense. Are you saying your post that I quoted was sarcastic?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    That makes no sense. Are you saying your post that I quoted was sarcastic?

    No I'm saying it's not the insult to every gay you portrayed it as. If you had read the rest of the posts you would have seen that I wasn't in favour of how this is going down. I don't think there should be a vote and I don't believe a win is a win as they'll be a lot of peeved off people if 40% of the county goes against them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    No I'm saying it's not the insult to every gay you portrayed it as. If you had read the rest of the posts you would have seen that I wasn't in favour of how this is going down. I don't think there should be a vote and I don't believe a win is a win as they'll be a lot of peeved off people if 40% of the county goes against them.
    Gay people know full well that a portion of the country doesn't approve of them, so I don't think it will matter much. If it passes, I'll just be happy to be on an equal footing, I'll put the referendum behind me and won't think of the % Yes/No again because all that will matter is that it passed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Gay people know full well that a portion of the country doesn't approve of them

    Who are you referring to? Iona, Catholics?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Who are you referring to? Iona, Catholics?
    I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush, I'm sure there's many Catholics who wouldn't care too much. But going off opinion polls there's about 15-18% of the country who disapprove of homosexuality to some extent. I'm sure they're of different creeds/backgrounds etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Who are you referring to? Iona, Catholics?

    No I think they are refering to the people under the bushes around every corner...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Who are you referring to? Iona, Catholics?

    I am a Catholic I am a gay person we are not mutually exclusive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Dimithy


    I must say i feel sorry for those no voters who are unable to express themselves. Hopefully one day the rest of society will accept them for who they are, and they wont have to hide their opinions away in some sort of box, or closet or something.

    Having said that, i just don't think society is ready to accept no voters, and we should take things slowly for now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭thegreatescape


    Dimithy wrote: »
    I must say i feel sorry for those no voters who are unable to express themselves. Hopefully one day the rest of society will accept them for who they are, and they wont have to hide their opinions away in some sort of box, or closet or something.

    Having said that, i just don't think society is ready to accept no voters, and we should take things slowly for now.

    How appropriate the words you used are. Unable to express themselves? You mean like gay people getting married? Hiding their opinions away in some sort of closet? Like gay people are made feel until they're comfortable to share their sexuality? Feel sorry for those of us who have felt this turmoil for a lot longer than this referendum speak began, not those apposing equality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    sporina wrote: »
    this is what I want to know? I read that there are differences in civil partnership and marriage in terms of social supports for the couple - but what social supports? this is what i want clarification on.

    OK sorry that took so long. It IS actually really hard to find a clear, concise list of all the differences that doesn't melt your head trying to read. I have been trying to find something neutral but this one from marriagequality.ie is probably the most comprehensive I could find. The link that lists the differences is not easy to make head not tail of on my phone, but might show up better on a laptop or pc. There is a brief overview of some of the more important differences on the main page.

    http://www.marriagequality.ie/getinformed/marriage/faqs.html


    This is a reasonably breif article in from the Irish Times which gives an overview of some of the main diffences but doesn't go into detail.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/differences-betwen-unions-run-deep-1.2205758


    I found this on the website of a legal firm which is basically an overview of some of the differences and it also provides some brief explanations of potential consequences:

    http://www.odonovanandco.ie/solicitors-cork/our-blog/item/Civil-Marriage-vs-Civil-Partnership/2


    This is from the Law Society of Ireland. Provides very breif explanation of some main differences:

    https://www.lawsociety.ie/News/Media/Press-Releases/The-Law-Society-of-Ireland-calls-for-equality-supports-the-Marriage-Referendum/

    Hope this helps. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    How appropriate the words you used are. Unable to express themselves? You mean like gay people getting married? Hiding their opinions away in some sort of closet? Like gay people are made feel until they're comfortable to share their sexuality? Feel sorry for those of us who have felt this turmoil for a lot longer than this referendum speak began, not those apposing equality.
    Either your sarcasm meter is broken, or mine is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭thegreatescape


    osarusan wrote: »
    Either your sarcasm meter is broken, or mine is.

    Maybe mine is. I'm just so drained from all of this talk about whether I should have the same rights as every straight person does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    How appropriate the words you used are. Unable to express themselves? You mean like gay people getting married? Hiding their opinions away in some sort of closet? Like gay people are made feel until they're comfortable to share their sexuality? Feel sorry for those of us who have felt this turmoil for a lot longer than this referendum speak began, not those apposing equality.

    I mean no offense but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Maybe mine is. I'm just so drained from all of this talk about whether I should have the same rights as every straight person does.

    Thats fair this is all getting pretty horrible


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    I am a Catholic I am a gay person we are not mutually exclusive.

    I would find it very difficult to reconcile the two. A Christian, yes; but a Catholic, as in a member of the Roman Catholic Church?

    Why would you stay loyal to a regime that regards you with such disdain?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Maybe mine is. I'm just so drained from all of this talk about whether I should have the same rights as every straight person does.
    Technically you do. It's the discriminatory nature of marriage in the constitution which negatively affects you and other gay people. And while most of us, gay and straight, simply want to remedy this with a yes vote, there is opposition because some people like to feel superior and special compared to others. Make no mistake, beneath it all, this is just about homophobia from the No side and campaign, who then create false arguments and bring up issues about children and so on which confuses the average voter into voting their way.

    The saddest part is that there really is no need whatsoever to oppose this referendum passing. The only reason a referendum is required is because of the inherent discriminatory nature of marriage in the constitution, and thus this has given the real homophobes in Iona and the Catholic Church the opportunity to create a false argument and debate in an effort to allow this element of discrimination to continue, which they obviously feel benefits themselves and their religious ethos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    I would find it very difficult to reconcile the two. A Christian, yes; but a Catholic, as in a member of the Roman Catholic Church?

    Why would you stay loyal to a regime that regards you with such disdain?

    Doesn't the Catholic Church reward pretty much everyone with disdain:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I would find it very difficult to reconcile the two. A Christian, yes; but a Catholic, as in a member of the Roman Catholic Church?

    Why would you stay loyal to a regime that regards you with such disdain?

    Sure everyones a sinner ain't they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Doesn't the Catholic Church reward pretty much everyone with disdain:pac:
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Sure everyones a sinner ain't they?

    I suppose when you look at it like that there is a certain equality for all under the catholic faith, we're all down there in the muck together.

    (looking at the stars.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    Dimithy wrote: »
    I must say i feel sorry for those no voters who are unable to express themselves. Hopefully one day the rest of society will accept them for who they are, and they wont have to hide their opinions away in some sort of box, or closet or something.

    Having said that, i just don't think society is ready to accept no voters, and we should take things slowly for now.

    Inequality should never be acceptable, full stop.

    Edit, read more posts.
    I always miss sarcasm, when there's no emoticon used to point it out. Needed a tongue face, or a rolls eyes or pac
    XD


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Canvassed my local area tonight- v positive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    Inequality should never be acceptable, full stop.

    Maybe it's because me and Dimithy are sarcastic kindred spirits (:P) but I thought it was clear that post was dripping with sarcasm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/why-i-was-so-disappointed-by-mary-mcaleese-s-comments-on-gay-priests-1.1651212

    I found this bizarre opinion piece from Breeder O'Brein where she equates the 'sin' of 'homosexual acts' with the 'sin' of lying. Interestingly though, Iona have no problem at all with lying, but 'homosexual acts', which she says are an equivelant level of 'sin', seem to cause a massive problem for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/why-i-was-so-disappointed-by-mary-mcaleese-s-comments-on-gay-priests-1.1651212

    I found this bizarre opinion piece from Breeder O'Brein where she equates the 'sin' of 'homosexual acts' with the 'sin' of lying. Interestingly though, Iona have no problem at all with lying, but 'homosexual acts', which she says are an equivelant level of 'sin', seem to cause a massive problem for them.

    Maybe it's her way of telling us something :pac:





    Im kidding, I'm kidding. Don't hold it against the yes side


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/why-i-was-so-disappointed-by-mary-mcaleese-s-comments-on-gay-priests-1.1651212

    I found this bizarre opinion piece from Breeder O'Brein where she equates the 'sin' of 'homosexual acts' with the 'sin' of lying. Interestingly though, Iona have no problem at all with lying, but 'homosexual acts', which she says are an equivelant level of 'sin', seem to cause a massive problem for them.

    Can you 'learn' to 'spell' someone's 'name' correctly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,158 ✭✭✭sporina



    thanks for that.. and yes it does explain the differences better - best i have read

    people need to stop speculating what could be the consequences etc and stick to what the actual implications of a yes/no vote means.. end of..

    same with every referendum in this country - the black and white is never made obvious - so people get frustrated and either don't understand the referendum and as a result vote misinformed or don't bother voting at all…

    and enough of this rubbish from certain people… stick to the facts

    thanks

    and I shall be voting yes because we should have equal rights regardless of gender preference

    The purpose of sex in humans is beyond procreation in the traditional sense - we are more diverse that this…
    But since we are on the subject - and it has nothing to do with the referendum, but why should single/same gender couples not have the same rights when it comes to kids as regular married couples? think of all the dysfunctional families some kids are a part of??? drugs, alcohol, abuse, incest etc - are same sex couple/single parent kids worse off than them?
    huh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Can you 'learn' to 'spell' someone's 'name' correctly?

    Aw I think the way I spelt it is more fitting for a woman who campaigns for the ideal Iona society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    floggg wrote: »
    This really isn't a political campaign. Its about civil rights.
    Yes for jobs

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Yes for jobs

    and the hospitality industry, suit hire, D.J and bands, wedding dress industry, florists, printers, cake makers thank you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    and the hospitality industry, suit hire, D.J and bands, wedding dress industry, florists, printers, cake makers thank you.

    Why? Are civil partnership ceremonies uncelebrated?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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