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3 British ISIS brides that flew into Syria reportedly on the run from their husbands

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  • #242
    Hans Bricks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    Bizarre. Where were their parents in all of this ? I don't wish any harm on them or for their heartbroken executioner husbands to catch up with them. Then again If I was British I certainly wouldn't want wannabe ISIS zealots returning home to rub shoulders with me. 16 years old is quite old enough to me.

    I think SJW is an easier term to use in place of insufferably sanctimonious gob****e.


  • #243
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    I kind of said that mate. It's contained in the quote you gave. Read it again or something.

    Fuxk it, I'll explain it again:.

    "I hope they get everything that's coming to them." The "everything" in this context is IS finest punishments.

    "PeteFalk78 has thanked this post." That means he agrees with it.

    Feel free to thank this post if that's been useful

    *disappears up own hole* (?)

    Why would we be overly concerned about people who joined an organisation that hands out these punishments, aware and supportive of those punishments before they left to join them, getting caught by the organisation and so punished?

    I fail to see exactly how these 3 deserve more sympathy that the tens of thousands they would killings, beheadings they would have heard on TV, as well as the reports of rapes and forced marriages of girls younger than they were before they left.


  • #244
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Age is immunity from the law now ? When did this happen ?
    no . trying someone who isn't an adult as an adult has no legitimacy though. there is no argument for it and it goes against any law that states one must be a certain age to be an adult meaning such protections such a law gives can be questioned and even removed

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #245
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Jail the 3 of them for a long time dont pamper them or feel sorry for them,If returned to the UK they will be a high risk for providing logistics or carrying out suicide bombings.
    to be sure to be sure rabel rabel. anything to back that up?

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  • #246
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    who the fug wrote: »
    Yes but punishment for being stupid is what we are against, be it male or female

    Stupid? It's far beyond stupid to know what ISIS are doing and join them. Were you people infants at 16? Brains are almost formed at that age and what childishness is left does not excuse watching pictures of mass beheadings and saying "I'm having some of that".


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  • #247
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Got a list of who's gloating ?
    Huh? Have you not seen the "Hope they get caught by Isis" posts to this very thread? In relation to your wish for them to go to jail, if they have broken the law, then I absolutely agree - well young offenders institute, they're too young for jail aren't they? But you literally have not come up with one known cause for them to be jailed.
    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Its an eye for an eye, reap what you sow, live by the sword die by the sword, all those cliches.
    I dont really agree with them but its an understandable reaction from people, they went over there knowing that ISIS are a bunch of absolute psychopaths (not using that term flippantly) seeking to create some pure religious state thats presumably not the reason they are trying to run away from it?, why do you presume its some psychosexual thing?As I said in previous post if it was 16 year old lads joining a far right Russian movement there would be just as much let them have it and a lot less bleeding hearts
    I couldn't care less what the reception would be - I would feel the exact same about a bunch of 15/16-year-old lads in the situation you have described. Realising their stupidity and trying to get away does not deserve getting caught and having god knows what done to them. It's totally sick of people to wish this. I mean, what's the "eye for an eye" thing about? They joined the organisation - that's it, now they're backing out. I still think it was teenage rebellion gone nuts - not fully realising the ramifications. I know people aren't little kids when they're teenagers, but they can be pretty dopey too still though. And extremely impressionable. I wouldn't put anything past some teenagers trying to be bad-ass. Some of the people who are acting as if they should know it all by 15/16 on this thread would be, I'd bet on it, the very same ones saying on another thread that teenagers are idiots and can't be trusted with anything.
    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    These girls left a first world democracy to fight for and live with crazed religio-fascists who behead their enemies, crucify Christians, ethnically cleanse their "State", rape and sell into marriage slavery girls of 12 years of age or younger, all of this was clear to them before they left.

    Those of you concerned for the 16 year olds should have a very long and hard look at yourselves.
    What's wrong with not wanting the 16-year-olds to get caught and punished by those maniacs? And how does concern for them mean no concern for the other victims of ISIS?


  • #248
    end of the road
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Any Laws they may have broken in relation to UK terror laws for example.
    uk terror laws are mostly make it up as you go along so i'm sure some type of charge will be thrown together

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  • #249
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    end of the road wrote: »
    to be sure to be sure rabel rabel. anything to back that up?

    That would be rabble rabble.

    What weird posts we have today. If these 16 year olds tortured a cat they would be hated. If they go join an organisation engaged in atrocities and genocude it's just high jinks.


  • #250
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    If they'd realised the reality and tried to escape it? Yes!
    Absolutely. If someone joined the nazis in 1942, realised the true horror of it when in the thick of it and decided to get the hell out, I'd certainly be hoping they wouldn't get caught and would assume they've seen the error of their ways.


  • #251
    MathDebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    end of the road wrote: »
    to be sure to be sure rabel rabel. anything to back that up?

    Bit rich for you to be asking for sources, but I digress.
    Around 700 extremists are believed to be among the many Britons who have travelled to Syria. A significant proportion of them travelled to join ISIL.
    AC Rowley said that:

    ISIL and other terrorist groups are trying to direct attacks in the UK; encouraging British citizens to travel to Syria to fight and train; and are seeking, through propaganda, to provoke individuals in the UK to carry out violent attacks here.


    http://www.thejournal.ie/terrorism-fears-britain-2103854-May2015/


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  • #252
    Reiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Reiver


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Absolutely. If someone joined the nazis in 1942, realised the true horror of it when in the thick of it and decided to get the hell out, I'd certainly be hoping they wouldn't get caught and would assume they've seen the error of their ways.

    Probably be shot for treason then when you're going into a fourth year of war. I can't imagine too many of the Russian Liberation Army or the Milice getting much sympathy.


  • #253
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    People who are delighted that they're in danger of being butchered to death by ISIS, obviously.
    What's with this SJW thing? The latest phrase some people are using ad nauseum to make themselves feel intelligent/cool. How does not agreeing with delight at teenagers being in danger of **** knows being done to them, make one a "SJW"?
    it doesn't of course. but like terms such as "ja PC brigade rabel rabel" and "ja liberals rabel rabel" "SJW rabel rabel" is another term the usual suspects here use for their little rants

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  • #254
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Huh? Have you not seen the "Hope they get caught by Isis" posts to this very thread? In relation to your wish for them to go to jail, if they have broken the law, then I absolutely agree - well young offenders institute, they're too young for jail aren't they? But you literally have not come up with one known cause for them to be jailed.

    I couldn't care less what the reception would be - I would feel the exact same about a bunch of 15/16-year-old lads in the situation you have described. Realising their stupidity and trying to get away does not deserve getting caught and having god knows what done to them. It's totally sick of people to wish this. I mean, what's the "eye for an eye" thing about? They joined the organisation - that's it, now they're backing out. I still think it was teenage rebellion gone nuts - not fully realising the ramifications. I know people aren't little kids when they're teenagers, but they can be pretty dopey too still though. And extremely impressionable. I wouldn't put anything past some teenagers trying to be bad-ass. Some of the people who are acting as if they should know it all by 15/16 on this thread would be, I'd bet on it, the very same ones saying on another thread that teenagers are idiots and can't be trusted with anything.

    What's wrong with not wanting the 16-year-olds to get caught and punished by those maniacs? And how does concern for them mean no concern for the other victims of ISIS?

    Can you point to posts about the "other victims of ISIS" you made today? Or any other day. Of yesterday. Or the day before.

    They don't have to be killed by ISIS. Maybe they get killed by victims of ISIS. What say you then?

    If a 12 year old survives a brutal rape by ISIS and tells her family that these girls were girls whomarried into ISIS, by choice, who were so enthralled by stories of rapes and beheadings they came to Syria/Iraq along with other Muslim westerners (often the most brutal as it happens), and her family takes revenge would that appall you, or does outrage depend on fashion.


  • #255
    Mechanical Clocktail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mechanical Clocktail


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    That would be rabble rabble.

    What weird posts we have today. If these 16 year olds tortured a cat they would be hated. If they go join an organisation engaged in atrocities and genocude it's just high jinks.

    If it was three lads the bleeding hearts wouldn't be so out in force.


  • #256
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Candie wrote: »
    The girls actions amount to going into ISIS controlled territory thinking they'd marry what they think are hero husbands.

    this is what needs to be looked into. why were they regarded as "heroes". Are most 15/16 year old girls not imagining being Justin Bieber's girlfriend? Kids get caught smoking, bush drinking, riding in fone-boxes, mitching etc. Kids dont run off to Syria to join an organization such as ISIS. If they were perceiving ISIS as heroes, they must have been exposed to what ISIS were doing and supported, or at least condoned it, despite what moderate Islam has to say about ISIS.

    how were these kids radicalised so easily, did their parents really not know what they were at.
    in a plot twist, the father of one of the girls, Amira Abase, may not be all he purports to be, and is probably responsible for her radicalization in some way.
    Interesting link. (apologies in advance, it is the mail!).

    Assuming we're agreed it was a rather foolish thing to run off and join ISIS, they were either naive and foolish or deliberate but foolish. To stop more girls from doing it, a serious attempt should be made to bring them home for "debriefing". I don't think anyone seriously wants to see them slaughtered by their in-laws.
    I'd certainly be taking a good hard look at dad(s) though.


  • #257
    LDN_Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Why would we be overly concerned about people who joined an organisation that hands out these punishments, aware and supportive of those punishments before they left to join them, getting caught by the organisation and so punished?

    I fail to see exactly how these 3 deserve more sympathy that the tens of thousands they would killings, beheadings they would have heard on TV, as well as the reports of rapes and forced marriages of girls younger than they were before they left.

    I'm guessing you meant to quote my other post so I'll carry on as if you did:

    You're misunderstanding me, you're basically strawmanning.

    Nobody is suggesting you be "overly concerned." Even I'm not "overly concerned", sh1t to be honest, I'm barely concerned. They're only going to be 2 more bodies on the pile.

    "I fail to see how these 3 deserve more sympathy..."

    I have not seen one post on here calling for more sympathy than IS victims.

    What I'm arguing is that you can't bleat on here about victims of terrorists and how awful these girls are for joining a group who do awful things and then get gleeful about the prospect of them suffering the same fate at the hands of the very same people you're supposed to be rallying against.

    And all this after the girls have turned away from them! Hoping they get caught by IS is actually hoping IS triumph over people who've turned away from their organisation. That's not logical for people who are supposed to be anti-IS.


  • #258
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    We can say:

    Innocent until proven guilty.

    You're the one erring against the cornerstone of the modern justice system, because it's you who's pining for punishment when you hadn't a clue what crimes have or haven't been committed. Sure when I asked what punishment was appropriate you said "UK terror laws." I have no idea whether that was an evasion or just pure jibberish.

    Joining facilitating a terrorist organisation fairly self explanatory really. You really think they have not broken at least one law ?


  • #259
    who the fug
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    Hans Bricks wrote: »
    Bizarre. Where were their parents in all of this ? I don't wish any harm on them or for their heartbroken executioner husbands to catch up with them. Then again If I was British I certainly wouldn't want wannabe ISIS zealots returning home to rub shoulders with me. 16 years old is quite old enough to me.

    I think SJW is an easier term to use in place of insufferably sanctimonious gob****e.

    I am not a parent , but rember my father writing a long letter to me when I was 15 about the dangers of Opus Day, this I shared with my mates whilst we bunked off mass in the woods

    My friend who is Bengali always blamed her father for trying to marry her off at 15, she fooked off and took her yonger sister with her, found out later from her older brother who went to a madras it was her mother behind it all

    Parents don't know their kids , nor do kids know their parents at that age


  • #260
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    I'm guessing you meant to quote my other post so I'll carry on as if you did:

    You're misunderstanding me, you're basically strawmanning.

    Nobody is suggesting you be "overly concerned." Even I'm not "overly concerned", sh1t to be honest, I'm barely concerned. They're only going to be 2 more bodies on the pile.

    "I fail to see how these 3 deserve more sympathy..."

    I have not seen one post on here calling for more sympathy than IS victims.

    What I'm arguing is that you can't bleat on here about victims of terrorists and how awful these girls are for joining a group who do awful things and then get gleeful about the prospect of them suffering the same fate at the hands of the very same people you're supposed to be rallying against.

    And all this after the girls have turned away from them! Hoping they get caught by IS is actually hoping IS triumph over people who've turned away from their organisation. That's not logical for people who are supposed to be anti-IS.

    The "turning away from them" probably happened not because of any disgust at the treatment of minorities, which they were aware of before they went (they hardly thought it was all cgi) but disgust at their own treatment by their husbands. There's little morality there.

    We both agre to not overly care what happens to them, then. I don't wish them harm, but I don't wish them safe home either.


  • #261
    LDN_Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Joining facilitating a terrorist organisation fairly self explanatory really. You really think they have not broken at least one law ?

    Earlier on you told the other lad that he couldn't possibly know and now you're telling me I can't possibly not know.

    Make your mind up.


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  • #262
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    who the fug wrote: »
    Yes but punishment for being stupid is what we are against, be it male or female

    I will ask this question again, When did ignorance of the law become a defence anywhere ?


  • #263
    [Deleted User]
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    The "turning away from them" probably happened not because of any disgust at the treatment of minorities, which they were aware of before they went (they hardly thought it was all cgi) but disgust at their own treatment by their husbands. There's little morality there.

    We both agre to not overly care what happens to them, then. I don't wish them harm, but I don't wish them safe home either.

    We can't convict people of what probably happened.


  • #264
    darkpagandeath
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no . trying someone who isn't an adult as an adult has no legitimacy though. there is no argument for it and it goes against any law that states one must be a certain age to be an adult meaning such protections such a law gives can be questioned and even removed

    I would stay clear of the USA then for example.


  • #265
    LDN_Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    The "turning away from them" probably happened not because of any disgust at the treatment of minorities, which they were aware of before they went (they hardly thought it was all cgi) but disgust at their own treatment by their husbands. There's little morality there.

    We both agre to not overly care what happens to them, then. I don't wish them harm, but I don't wish them safe home either.

    We have no idea.

    Going back to the Russian neo-nazi or traditional German Nazi example we're assuming that they are turning away from the ideology. We don't know whether that's the case here or if your assessment is correct.

    Maybe they saw the first head roll and freaked dafuq out. Remember, 2 of these girls are 15, (bare with me I'm not saying "they're too young to be held responsible.)

    When you were a teen, did you ever think you were the top boy and get yourself in to some **** you realised you couldn't walk away from. I did, a few times. Nothing major like marrying a jihadist, but this could be a similar kind of vibe where they've done that teen thing of thinking they know it all and then freaking when they realise the actual score.

    We just don't know.


  • #266
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Can you point to posts about the "other victims of ISIS" you made today? Or any other day. Of yesterday. Or the day before.
    Ah here, come on. You're better than that. I don't have posts criticising ISIS from the last few days, therefore I'm less concerned about the victims of ISIS than these girls? This is the most recent one: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95355557&postcount=27

    I mean, it goes without saying - there are no words to describe how evil ISIS are. This thread is specifically about those girls so that's why I'm posting about those girls.
    If a 12 year old survives a brutal rape and tells her family that girls who married into ISIS by choice who were so enthralled by stories of rapes and beheadings they came to Syria/Iraq along with other westerners (often the most brutal as it happens) and her family takes revenge would that appall you, or does it depend on fashion.
    Fashion? What? :confused:
    You're making up sh-t about me based on nothing and it doesn't do your arguments any credit. Drop the spiteful tone and be a bit more adult. People are saying they hope ISIS catch them and do god knows what to them, I'm disagreeing with that. It's hardly so terrible. I don't understand what's prompting your moving-the-goalposts, hypothetical scenario. If their family got revenge, I'd understand, because they're a grieving family, not ISIS, but this thread isn't about that scenario.


  • #267
    darkpagandeath
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    end of the road wrote: »
    uk terror laws are mostly make it up as you go along so i'm sure some type of charge will be thrown together

    Really.... I hear the UK is a developed 1st world country with a history of legal process. Not that they don't make mistakes.


  • #268
    LDN_Irish
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Joining facilitating a terrorist organisation fairly self explanatory really. You really think they have not broken at least one law ?

    Did they join? Is marrying an IS member the same as being one?

    Marrying a UVF member the same as being one?


  • #269
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I will ask this question again, When did ignorance of the law become a defence anywhere ?

    So the law is the law and people with mental problems or are slow should be treated the same as you and me


  • #270
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    Earlier on you told the other lad that he couldn't possibly know and now you're telling me I can't possibly not know.

    Make your mind up.

    That was in relation to crimes they may have or may not committed while there. Not in relation to joining or facilitating a terrorist organisation. I would have though most people would expect that to be a minimum charge. Guess I was wrong and had to write it down.


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  • #271
    end of the road
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    MathDebater wrote: »
    Anyway, now that the Tories have a majority and the Lib Dems are no longer in government, they can release May off of her leash. Hopefully she pushes through with her plans to strip those who travel to get involved with ISIS of their citizenship.
    and hopefully the EU will deem it illegal and force her to undo her plans or else. but then again, it wouldn't be britain if they didn't outsource everything and expect everyone else to clear up their mess. we need the EU now more then ever to stop the tories from implementing their final aim of implementing fear and the eventual removing of the peoples rights freedoms and civil liberties. the plans for extremists are just to whip up public support for this final aim. by using fear, and getting the support of the gullible, its hoped eventually the right thinking people will feel afraid to question anything, and then the tory government can begin with their aim.

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