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3 British ISIS brides that flew into Syria reportedly on the run from their husbands

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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nothing justifies the vitriol directed at these kids on this thread. Some of the responses sound like they might as well have come straight from the mouths of the most brainwashed, radicalised, vicious ISIS footsoldiers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    Ireland has laws dealing with this.
    Ask the UK authorities.
    :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    No one is saying do not enforce the law, we are just saying the law must take into account the village idiots.

    When did Ignorance of the law become a defence ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Candie wrote: »
    Nothing justifies the vitriol directed at these kids on this thread. Some of the responses sound like they might as well have come straight from the mouths of the most brainwashed, radicalised, vicious ISIS footsoldiers.

    So If they were 18 you would not have an issue ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    Three ISIS supporters probably won't be returning to these islands. Explain to me how this is a bad thing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Three ISIS supporters probably won't be returning to these islands. Explain to me how this is a bad thing.

    They're children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Nodin wrote: »
    They're children.

    Does Britain need more children or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    Three ISIS supporters probably won't be returning to these islands. Explain to me how this is a bad thing.

    "All loss of life is regrettable..."

    Martin McGuinness

    Congratulations. You are officially more hardline than the former leader of the Derry IRA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    That's just a joke before this gets detailed to all feck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    So If they were 18 you would not have an issue ?

    An issue with what? The vitriol?

    I would have an issue with people saying three females who are either incredibly stupid or incredibly naive should be pistol whipped and found by their goatf**king husbands, and get their 'rewards' from Allah, no matter what age they were.

    If there is legislation in the UK relating to these three girls' actions, I have no problem with that being applied to them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭markfinn


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    No sense of sympathy here. If ISIS catch up with them, who cares?

    Every single worthwhile human being.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    Nodin wrote: »
    They're children.

    They are 16 year old Islamic fundamentalists.

    One of them previously said in a tweet;
    uh wanna behead some kafirs now

    As a 'kafir' with a wholesome regard for my neck remaining attached to my head, I'd be quite content if these headbangers never returned to these islands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    They are 16 year old Islamic fundamentalists. .

    Three girls, two 15, one 16.
    One of them previously said in a tweet;

    A teenager said something stupid on Twitter????? Bomb them, BOMB THEM NOW!!11!!!!!
    As a 'kafir' with a wholesome regard for my neck remaining attached to my head, I'd be quite content if these headbangers never returned to these islands.

    Just relax and try to think back. When do you first remember feeling fear at the thought of 15 year old girls?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Nodin wrote: »
    Three girls, two 15, one 16.



    A teenager said something stupid on Twitter????? Bomb them, BOMB THEM NOW!!11!!!!!



    Just relax and try to think back. When do you first remember feeling fear at the thought of 15 year old girls?

    There are laws dealing with that in the UK, You can't just say what you like without comeback.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Nodin wrote: »
    When do you first remember feeling fear at the thought of 15 year old girls?

    When a Christian in Syria feels the sharp steel cutting into their neck, I'm doubtful they care about the cutters age.

    Seriously Nodin, is there any jihadism you dont endorse?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    There are laws dealing with that in the UK, You can't just say what you like without comeback.

    I'd bet 100 euro that if I traipsed through your post history for long enough I'd find a post of yours absolutely losing the head that someone was prosecuted for just saying something. I jist can't be arsed, unfortunately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    There are laws dealing with that in the UK, You can't just say what you like without comeback.

    Yep, and if they get her back there they can deal with her as per the law.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    When a Christian in Syria feels the sharp steel cutting into their neck, I'm doubtful they care about the cutters age.

    Seriously Nodin, is there any jihadism you dont] endorse?

    Well, if you can find me endorsing Jihadism in the first place (the search function here is quite good btw) we can discuss that at length.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    I'd bet 100 euro that if I traipsed through your post history for long enough I'd find a post of yours absolutely losing the head that someone was prosecuted for just saying something. I jist can't be arsed, unfortunately.

    There is a slight difference in someone tweeting about bombing the airport if they miss their flight, And you know stating you are going to commit murder. I'm not a huge fan of censorship of the internet. But the laws were technically made to deal with exactly this kind of thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I'm not a huge fan of censorship of the internet. But the laws were technically made to deal with exactly this kind of thing.

    I'd say those three girls would be pretty happy to face British laws right now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Dylan Klebold was a lovely kid. Shame he never got a wife :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    osarusan wrote: »
    I'd say those three girls would be pretty happy to face British laws right now.

    Yes, And they need to be made an example of. The west needs to dissuade people either going to support or fighting for these people. There needs to be a very hard comedown on people to make others think twice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Yes, And they need to be made an example of. ................

    Three young girls don't strike me as the type that you'd want to make "an example of" in regards to IS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Candie wrote: »
    How many 15 year olds thought the IRA blowing up hotels full of people or putting bombs under politicians cars was a reasonable tactic or acceptable collateral damage?

    Kids are stupid, they romanticise and look at the possible outcome rather than the means. They've learnt the harsh realities, I daresay.

    Thats utter B+****! In things like the Pub bombings and so on (which were deeply controversial even in the hardline of the IRA), the motivation wasn't to kill the civilians it was just as you say an acceptable level of collateral damage- the end justifying the means, much of the ISIS stuff is directly about the means - they don't hide or downplay the fact they do horrific things to those that are innocent with some cold logic about how it had to be done for The Cause they publicize and revel in it. There is no way these girls didn't know what ISIS were like, even if they were in a non-westernised environment in the UK its not like Daish are exactly popular among vast amount of the middle eastern population, and if they became indoctrinated online how did they miss all the horrendous videos :confused:

    Add to that its not like they even have a dog in this fight, they were in the UK this isn't some kids from Ballymurphy that have a reason to hate, and its not even like they were helping to fight The Great Satan or strike at decadent western values in England (which in terms of teenage at least has an epic struggle appeal) they were going off to help the effort to kill their co-religionists.

    This is less like some kid from the north joining the IRA/UVF, its like a Protestant American travelling to Ulster to marry the Shankill Butchers.

    They shouldn't be raped and murdered, but it shouldn't be forgotten that they were trying to aid those that do exactly that, if they were a bunch of 16 year old white skinhead lads that were trying to hookup with some of the Nastiest of the Russian supremacist gangs would you be so tolerant.
    16 is young and stupid (do you think 16 year olds should be able to drive and have sex, both those are serious things), if its young and stupid enough to have a moral code thats completely and utterly at odds with the society they are likely to be inhabiting they should be placed onto every watchlist there is and possibly be psychiatricly assessed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    There is a slight difference in someone tweeting about bombing the airport if they miss their flight, And you know stating you are going to commit murder. I'm not a huge fan of censorship of the internet. But the laws were technically made to deal with exactly this kind of thing.

    Ok, that's pretty logical, I can appreciate that. Back the pages a bit you were asking "what age should someone be held responsible..." and I know at least one person answered. I can't be arsed answering but I haven't made the point that these are children who shouldn't be held responsible so it wasn't my question answer.

    But I do have a kind of dual question for you. What crimes do you know these girls have committed? And what do you think the punishment should be?

    Bonus question: What is the actual punishment on the statute books?

    Edit: Changed "one answer" to "one person answered" which is what I actually meant. I wasn't saying I know an answer but won't share it :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Nodin wrote: »
    Three young girls don't strike me as the type that you'd want to make "an example of" in regards to IS.

    What would you suggest then ? Just let people willy nilly with no comeback go get themselves into trouble and then expect to be dug out ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    What would you suggest then ? Just let people willy nilly with no comeback go get themselves into trouble and then expect to be dug out ?

    You seem to have gone from the specific to the general.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    No sense of sympathy here. If ISIS catch up with them, who cares?
    Ooh, I know this one! YOU don't care, therefore nobody else does? Amirite or amirite?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    Ok, that's pretty logical, I can appreciate that. Back the pages a bit you were asking "what age should someone be held responsible..." and I know at least one answer. I can't be arsed answering but I haven't made the point that these are children who shouldn't be held responsible so it wasn't my question answer.

    But I do have a kind of dual question for you. What crimes do you know these girls have committed? And what do you think the punishment should be?

    Bonus question: What is the actual punishment on the statute books?

    I have no idea, Do you have any Information saying they have not committed an initiation for example ?

    The punishment should be dealt with in the laws of their jurisdiction i.e. the UK.

    And with the bonus question I would go with UK anti Terror laws.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    I must have been a super intelligent teenager. Apparently its expected teenagers can just be "stupid" to run off to join a pack of murderous terrorists. By god I didn't think young ones were THAT thick that they cant tell terrorism is bad as a teenager. I greatly overestimated their intelligence I guess.


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