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3 British ISIS brides that flew into Syria reportedly on the run from their husbands

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Isis might be a bit extreme but is it much different than many other young people who join some army and go round the world killing people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    kylith wrote: »
    16 year olds are not idiots that are incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions.
    I'd say their actions suggest to me that these girls (not all 16 either) are basically idiots that didn't understand the consequences of those actions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    osarusan wrote: »
    Lovely stuff.



    Will they get a chance to do that?

    So Kimo Sabi, how would you remediate the matter at hand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    So Kimo Sabi, how would you remediate the matter at hand?
    Don't know. It wouldn't include pistol whipping though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    So running off to join a bunch of murderous Muslim extremists wasn't such a bright idea after all? Would never have guessed that :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    No sense of sympathy here. If ISIS catch up with them, who cares?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    No sense of sympathy here. If ISIS catch up with them, who cares?

    People who don't think the punishment for joining a foreign insurgency should be anywhere from a indeterminate lifetime of rape to beheading?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,116 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I do have some sympathy for them, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to presume they're that much wiser now than they were a few months ago. Maybe they have wised up - or maybe they're still being manipulated by others the way they were when they went out there in the first place.

    I'd really want to be sure they aren't being set up as sleeper cells before I'd be prepared to see them just take up their old lives where they left off.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    No sense of sympathy here. If ISIS catch up with them, who cares?

    No sympathy even for the families who wish their children hadn't been so reckless? While I think if they're rescued we should definitely not just let them off with a pat on the back leaving them die is a bit extreme. Id say some mandatory service work campaigning against ISIS here to try and convince other young people in the same position that joining IS is not only stupid but a risk to your life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    People who don't think the punishment for joining a foreign insurgency should be anywhere from a indeterminate lifetime of rape to beheading?

    ISIS are a "foreign insurgency". How understated can one be?

    They obviously hold or held extremist views and acted on it by moving to Syria to support a terrorist organisation. They are terrorists, by definition. No sympathy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    ISIS are a "foreign insurgency". How understated can one be?

    Are they not a foreign insurgency?

    And er, very very very very very very very very dark blue understated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    noway12345 wrote: »
    Isis might be a bit extreme but is it much different than many other young people who join some army and go round the world killing people?

    Yes, yes it is. Most Armies don't go around beheading and stoning others because they don't believe in the same imaginary friend as they do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭gumbo1


    I can't understand why anyone would have sympathy for these young women. They surely seen the news reports, the papers and every other type of media coverage about who and what Islamic State is all about, to know not to go anywhere near them. It was a conscious choice they all made to get to where they wanted to go.
    I certainly do think that they will and should, be lifted into custody for an extended period of time for questioning if they do make it back to civilisation! Anyway, I personally hope they get all that is coming to them!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Yes, yes it is. Most Armies don't go around beheading and stoning others because they don't believe in the same imaginary friend as they do.

    Blowing their heads off or chopping their heads off. Not much difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    Are they not a foreign insurgency?

    And er, very very very very very very very very dark blue understated?

    Yes they are. Keep going with your lefty liberal views but most people will know them as murderers, barbarians, terrorists etc etc etc.

    Those 3 girls knew exactly what type of group ISIS were before they went out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maha-hosain-aziz/how-we-can-stop-isis-recruitment_b_6776014.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    "CNN claims images of Nutella, emoji and kittens on ISIS' social media were used to initially lure potential female recruits."

    Blame the emojis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    folamh wrote: »
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maha-hosain-aziz/how-we-can-stop-isis-recruitment_b_6776014.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    "CNN claims images of Nutella, emoji and kittens on ISIS' social media were used to initially lure potential female recruits."

    Blame the emojis.
    Nutella. I'm joining right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It's their culture dontchaknow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    noway12345 wrote: »
    Isis might be a bit extreme but is it much different than many other young people who join some army and go round the world killing people?

    It is very different indeed. Other armies generally don't actively target civilians, or persecute people due to their religion, or rape women and children. Now I'm sure you'll point me to examples of this happening in other armies, but that is the exception rather than the norm, and you know it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    Nutella. I'm joining right now.

    No problems. Sure when you're sick of ISIS, come home, LDN_Irish and Nodin will welcome you back with open arms and hot dinner.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Yes they are. Keep going with your lefty liberal views but most people will know them as murderers, barbarians, terrorists etc etc etc.

    Those 3 girls knew exactly what type of group ISIS were before they went out there.

    So you'd have no issues with these girls possibly being raped and then beheaded if they're caught by the people they're apparently running from? Tough? They made their bed, eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    If my 17 year old daughter had done this the misfortune husband would have sent her back long ago.
    No murdering Jihadist would come close to my little baby if she's not getting her way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    No problems. Sure when you're sick of ISIS, come home, LDN_Irish and Nodin will welcome you back with open arms and hot dinner.

    This is flawless. Like I'm sure they are lovely. Like they have kittens aswell. A great bunch these ISIS guys are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    So you'd have no issues with these girls possibly being raped and then beheaded if they're caught by the people they're apparently running from? Tough? They made their bed, eh?

    Absolutely. These girls went out there to support the rapists and beheaders. If they are caught, so be it. If they get out of Syria, I'd hope they would never reach any western country again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭onlyrocknroll


    I love the balance and depth to these Internet arguments

    "They're entirely innocent of everything!"

    "No they're not they deserve lifetime of rape and imprisonment!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    So you'd have no issues with these girls possibly being raped and then beheaded if they're caught by the people they're apparently running from? Tough? They made their bed, eh?

    Because these women had the outstanding moral fibre and appreciation of the life of others that they decided marrying a group of murderous, raping, head chopping was a perfectly good thing to do that couldnt possibly go wrong in anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Absolutely. These girls went out there to support the rapists and beheaders. If they are caught, so be it. If they get out of Syria, I'd hope they would never reach any western country again.
    Because these women had the outstanding moral fibre and appreciation of the life of others that they decided marrying a group of murderous, raping, head chopping was a perfectly good thing to do that couldnt possibly go wrong in anyway.
    You do realise that that is the sort of justification that ISIS and their supporters give for all the beheading and murdering, don't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    You do realise that that is the sort of justification that ISIS and their supporters give for all the beheading and murdering, don't you?

    El Weirdo is oblivious to the irony of his posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    No problems. Sure when you're sick of ISIS, come home, LDN_Irish and Nodin will welcome you back with open arms and hot dinner.

    I haven't offered an opinion on whether they should be let back in to Britain, jailed or given any assistance at all.

    I've said I don't want them gangraped until they die. I'm oh so uber liberal like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    Because these women had the outstanding moral fibre and appreciation of the life of others that they decided marrying a group of murderous, raping, head chopping was a perfectly good thing to do that couldnt possibly go wrong in anyway.

    Go have sex with some 15 year old "women" and see if everyone agrees how fully capable of making adult decisions they are.

    Hint, they won't. And we'll be here with people just like you hoping you're gangraped in prison.


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