Why has the West boycotted the parade by those who saved the world from Nazism.

robindch · 14-05-2015 11:55AM

Egginacup wrote: »

I would still like to know why the heads of western nations didn't attend the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Nazism.

Not many votes for showing up for a photo-op in Moscow with a diminutive poser who happens to be a violent, homophobic, fascist lunatic.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 11:59AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What are Britain and the US currently doing that would require such a boycott?

They're on a break from raping countries at the moment, although their legacy still ramians in the countries they destroyed.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 11:59AM

indioblack wrote: »

Just existing would probably be enough!

Am no, I think the killing of millions is the reason.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 12:01PM

gandalf wrote: »

Because those countries didn't de-stablise their neighbour, send in mercenaries, finance them, send in heavy arms and then send in their own armed forces into that countries sovereign territory.

Also as I have said numerous times already I don't recall either Britain or the US having massive Military Parades to commemorate the end of WW2 in Europe.

Hahhahahahahah is this a joke?

Fratton Fred · 14-05-2015 12:04PM

noway12345 wrote: »

They're on a break from raping countries at the moment, although their legacy still ramians in the countries they destroyed.

You really really need to talk to someone about this phobia of yours.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 12:08PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You really really need to talk to someone about this phobia of yours.

What phobia? Are you trying to claim that America and Britains raping and destroying of countries is ok?

indioblack · 14-05-2015 12:13PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You really really need to talk to someone about this phobia of yours.

I blame the English.
They're enough to make anyone go funny.

robindch · 14-05-2015 12:14PM

noway12345 wrote: »

Are you trying to claim that America and Britains raping and destroying of countries is ok?

I think he's trying to say that Russia's isn't.

Do try to stay on topic :rolleyes:

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 12:14PM

indioblack wrote: »

I blame the English.
They're enough to make anyone go funny.

I blame the Russians myself, you shouldn't even go to Russia to commemorate the millions that died in WW2, you might catch it.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 12:15PM

robindch wrote: »

I think he's trying to say that Russia's isn't.

Do try to stay on topic :rolleyes:

Exactly, Russia killing is bad.
America and British killing is good.

Egginacup · 14-05-2015 12:33PM

Reiver wrote: »

I live in Poland now Eggy. The Soviets are remembered with as much disgust as the Nazis. When they came back through the country in the 40s, any places left standing got levelled by them. For the average Pole here, there was no difference. The only thing was that the Nazis were here for five, the Soviets, quite a bit longer.

Look at what the Soviets did during the Warsaw Rising. Oh, that's right, sweet FA.

The USSR stole a huge amount of Polish territory after the war. The population movement was immense. Lwów and Wilno are still in their national consciousness.

Considering the actions of the Armia Krajowa I think the Poles did choose to "be slaughtered" as you so eloquently put it, labelling them as "really thick". I guess the Volunteers in our Flying Columns were gob****es too then by your reckoning.

Your knowledge of eastern European history is quite faulty. I suggest you examine the actions of partisans and resistance movements in the post-war years. Also to educate yourself further on Poland, Norman Davies writes some great books.

I have never denied that there is a deep-rooted animosity in the Polish psyche towards the Soviets but it appears to you and many that these hatreds can be set aside in some circumstances but not in others vis-a-vis the Polish currently in a military and economic alliance with the country that wiped their country off the map twice in less than a century whilst never even contemplating military protection from Soviet Russia in the face of imminent Nazi destruction.

And for your information my knowledge of Eastern European history is quite indepth, certainly demonstrably moreso than the intercert (lower) level that many on here display yet claim to be experts. I've even written papers on Josip Broz Tito, Ante Pavelic and Draza Mihajlovic. But I can't know everything even though the thirst for (accurate) historical information never wanes.

gandalf · 14-05-2015 12:44PM

noway12345 wrote: »

Hahhahahahahah is this a joke?

I bet the Ukrainians wish it was. But hey if their suffering because of Russian interference makes you happy then you have some serious issues to deal with.

Elmer Blooker · 14-05-2015 12:44PM

robindch wrote: »

Not many votes for showing up for a photo-op in Moscow with a diminutive poser who happens to be a violent, homophobic, fascist lunatic.

Not many votes for showing up for a photo-op in Riyadh with the head chopping democrats either.
'Je suis Charlie"
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150505/1021729853.html

I live in Poland now Eggy. The Soviets are remembered with as much disgust as the Nazis.

Ask your Polish friends what they think of Ukrainian National hero Stefan Bandera. The Polish nation seems to be suffering from collective amnesia!

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 12:46PM

gandalf wrote: »

I bet the Ukrainians wish it was. But hey if their suffering because of Russian interference makes you happy then you have some serious issues to deal with.

Ah come on, read what you typed again: "Because those countries didn't de-stablise their neighbour, send in mercenaries, finance them, send in heavy arms and then send in their own armed forces into that countries sovereign territory."

You can see the similarities between that situation you describe and something very close to home surely?

gandalf · 14-05-2015 12:51PM

noway12345 wrote: »

Ah come on, read what you typed again: "Because those countries didn't de-stablise their neighbour, send in mercenaries, finance them, send in heavy arms and then send in their own armed forces into that countries sovereign territory."

You can see the similarities between that situation you describe and something very close to home surely?

If you are referring to Northern Ireland and trying to compare it with Russia's actions in the Ukraine those are two totally different situations and it is desperation of the highest order to try and even compare the two.

:rolleyes:

robindch · 14-05-2015 12:52PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Not many votes for showing up for a photo-op in Riyadh with the head chopping democrats either.

Ah, equivocation - the first resort of a pro-Putinist - "hey, Russia might do bad things, but so what, so does Америка. Down with Америка и НАТО!"

You might stretch your mind back as far as a month or two, when Putin announced that he was ready to threaten the use of nuclear weapons during his invasion of Crimea.

Not many votes for showing up for a photo-op with somebody threatening nukes either.

robindch · 14-05-2015 12:58PM

gandalf wrote: »

[...] desperation of the highest order [...]

Desperation seems to be inversely proportional to the ruble's exchange rate.

I have to say that a lot of the heart has gone out of the pro-Putin side since VVP came out and said that he was prepared to threaten nukes.

Which is good, as it suggests that there is indeed a level of lunacy beyond which people stop being happy to sell their support.

gravehold · 14-05-2015 01:01PM

noway12345 wrote: »

Ah come on, read what you typed again: "Because those countries didn't de-stablise their neighbour, send in mercenaries, finance them, send in heavy arms and then send in their own armed forces into that countries sovereign territory."

You can see the similarities between that situation you describe and something very close to home surely?

I think we can all agree what the IRA did in the north was terrible and a disgrace and most people won't be seen to support SF over the terrorist actions of the IRA

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 01:06PM

gandalf wrote: »

If you are referring to Northern Ireland and trying to compare it with Russia's actions in the Ukraine those are two totally different situations and it is desperation of the highest order to try and even compare the two.

:rolleyes:

I was talking about Ireland and Britain. Of course they can't be compared, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is nothing compared to the other example.

Egginacup · 14-05-2015 01:08PM

robindch wrote: »

Not many votes for showing up for a photo-op in Moscow with a diminutive poser who happens to be a violent, homophobic, fascist lunatic.

Funny you should mention that.

John Kerry, the lying buffoon who tried to blag the world that he had proof of Syria using chemical weapons on civilians, of Russia shooting down MH 17 and of Russia invading eastern Ukraine, only to be completely discredited by his very own intelligence people, just made a trip to see Putin and was photographed many times with him.

The trip was another humiliating climb down for the cretins who masquerade as leaders in Washington. Knowing full well that their inane sanctions are set to expire in July and that they are not having the effect they had hoped on Russia, Kerry has gone grovelling to Putin to try an exercise in damage limitation. Kerry has stated that the Minsk agreement is the only way forward. That's interesting coming from the Americans since they weren't even consulted regarding the agreement.
Kerry has warned the Ukro-nazis not to engage in any further military attacks on the people of Donbass.

So now you have it. The US know the mess they've made when they orchestrated a coup d'etat in Kiev in February of last year and are now openly distancing themselves from the lunatics they've unleashed there.

If I didn't loathe Kerry so much I might actually feel some pity for him but I'm enjoying watching him squirm. He thought he could checkmate Putin in the game of Eurasian geopolitics when he's barely qualified to play Ludo.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 01:09PM

robindch wrote: »

Desperation seems to be inversely proportional to the ruble's exchange rate.

I have to say that a lot of the heart has gone out of the pro-Putin side since VVP came out and said that he was prepared to threaten nukes.

Which is good, as it suggests that there is indeed a level of lunacy beyond which people stop being happy to sell their support.

You condemn Russia but not America or Britain. You don't care about any countries being invaded unless it's someone not on your side.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 01:10PM

gravehold wrote: »

I think we can all agree what the IRA did in the north was terrible and a disgrace and most people won't be seen to support SF over the terrorist actions of the IRA

You two didn't even realise I was talking about what Britain did to all of Ireland, shows how far up their arses you are.

gandalf · 14-05-2015 01:10PM

Jaysus Eggy you really have a problem staying on topic on the very topic you started don't you.

Hopefully you have now been given the reasons why a lot of people boycotted the big parade in Moscow and you understand them.

Eugene Norman · 14-05-2015 01:12PM

noway12345 wrote: »

You condemn Russia but not America or Britain. You don't care about any countries being invaded unless it's someone not on your side.

And it has to be said, vice versa.

I can see Russia becoming the leader of anti-American European nationalists over time. Links with French NF, for instance.

noway12345 · 14-05-2015 01:14PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

And it has to be said, vice versa.

I can see Russia becoming the leader of anti-American European nationalists over time. Links with French NF, for instance.

I never said anything about Russia. I may hate Putin and what's happening, in fact I do. You see I'm not a hypocrite like the others.

Fratton Fred · 14-05-2015 01:27PM

noway12345 wrote: »

You two didn't even realise I was talking about what Britain did to all of Ireland, shows how far up their arses you are.

Last time I heard, Ireland became independent in 1922, ie a long time ago.

Just like a lot of Russian atrocities were a long time ago. That isn't the issue here.

In 1994, Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons to Russia. In return, Russia, Britain and America signed the Budapest treaty which gave assurances that they would respect Ukrainian sovereignty.

Russia are in direct breach of that treaty.

Egginacup · 14-05-2015 01:29PM

gandalf wrote: »

Jaysus Eggy you really have a problem staying on topic on the very topic you started don't you.

Hopefully you have now been given the reasons why a lot of people boycotted the big parade in Moscow and you understand them.

Says the guy whose very first post in this thread is a blatant lie stating that the Soviets were allied to the Nazis. Please don't waste my time.

pmasterson95 · 14-05-2015 01:34PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Says the guy whose very first post in this thread is a blatant lie stating that the Soviets were allied to the Nazis. Please don't waste my time.

Oh and you think they werent?

gandalf · 14-05-2015 01:41PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Says the guy whose very first post in this thread is a blatant lie stating that the Soviets were allied to the Nazis. Please don't waste my time.

Look up the Molotov/ von Ribbentrop pact of 1939. It's called History Eggy it's really interesting :rolleyes:

Sure all the Soviet troops that poured into Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and parts of Romania after the Nazi's attacked Poland in 1939 were just on holiday like the lads from Russia are the Ukraine today eh

Continue the good work comrade LOL!

Egginacup · 14-05-2015 01:49PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What are Britain and the US currently doing that would require such a boycott?

Troops, financing and equipment in Ukraine.

Why has the West boycotted the parade by those who saved the world from Nazism.

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