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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #2402
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Did a Yes Supporter throw an egg at a young girl yesterday?


  • #2403
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    Mine makes a tent shape so I will be voting for camp.
    Mine too! A distinct upside down v-shape, with a distinct Y beside it. That's Y for yes to camp.


  • #2404
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Did a Yes Supporter throw an egg at a young girl yesterday?

    An idiot did. It's not known if they were a yes supporter.


  • #2405
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Did a Yes Supporter throw an egg at a young girl yesterday?

    No idea. A hooligan on a bike threw an egg at a No-truck, which hit a young girl who was doubly unfortunate to be allergic to eggs, and as such, had to be brought to hospital for treatment. The stupidity isn't the preserve of either side in this campaign, but we can safely call that muppet a stupid hooligan, whether he/she supports the Yes side or not.


  • #2406
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭sjb25


    iDave wrote: »
    Had a friend whinging on WhatsApp saying hes being bullied by the Yes side and been hearing and reading it a lot in general.
    How weak and sensitive do you have to be to feel 'bullied' by people you don't know or never speak to. Oh people on the internet disagree with me, oh people I've never met pulled down a poster. FFS grow up.
    Try being in a vilified minority your whole life and then you will know what bullying really means.

    Just browsing Facebook today and iv seen two people saying the same thing being bullied and won't be forced into a yes vote these are people in there 20s people who I would have tought would be yes voters but obviously not really seems to be a lot more no voters than one would think around I'm getting very nervous about the result of this referendum the closer it gets


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  • #2407
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Did a Yes Supporter throw an egg at a young girl yesterday?


    No evidence yet that it was no other than a youth being an idiot.

    Read from here on: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057418166&page=54


  • #2408
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Did a Yes Supporter throw an egg at a young girl yesterday?

    Some total numpty on a bike threw an egg(s?) at people from Mothers and Father's Matter who were having a public get together outside a shopping centre.

    The egg hit a 10 year old girl- the egg thrower continued on their way.

    'Yes supporter' and 'threw at'... well.... that is the spin...


  • #2409
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,889 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Who cares of it was a Yes supporter or not? One lad throwing an egg shouldn't affect anyone's feelings on the referendum anyway.


  • #2410
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,579 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    iDave wrote: »
    Had a friend whinging on WhatsApp saying hes being bullied by the Yes side and been hearing and reading it a lot in general.
    How weak and sensitive do you have to be to feel 'bullied' by people you don't know or never speak to. Oh people on the internet disagree with me, oh people I've never met pulled down a poster. FFS grow up.
    Try being in a vilified minority your whole life and then you will know what bullying really means.

    Mental acrobatics, they want to vote no and need to justify it to themselves by making up a "non-homophobic" reason in their own eyes for doing so.


  • #2411
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Osmosis Jones wrote: »
    Who cares of it was a Yes supporter or not? One lad throwing an egg shouldn't affect anyone's feelings on the referendum anyway.

    But that doesn't suit the No side. All of us voting Yes are now egg throwers in their eyes.


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  • #2412
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    RobertKK wrote: »
    When you say people who don't hold your views and hold different views as in voting No, you said these people are 'dangerous and backward'.
    I never said the people themselves were dangerous or backward, though some of them are such as Iona and the Bishops, but explicitly said their beliefs are. Which they are in relation to same sex marriage i.e. most of them are fuelled by homophobia and bigotry, and religiously influenced like you have admitted yourself.
    How is one suppose to have a proper discussion with you, if that is the starting point?
    You didn't attempt to have a discussion, Robert. Like the No side in the media, you refused to engage in conversation but instead cried victim and complained that I somehow do not support freedom of expression or freedom of religion. Which I have continuously proved is bull**** but yet you persist in spreading falsities about me.
    You argue you can't define a person by their beliefs, but then you attack the person for their beliefs with how you brand them. That is not discussing their beliefs, you are branding people, not their beliefs with your arguments.
    A person's beliefs/motivations is a part of who they are, it is a part of their make up, it is who they are. These reside inside a person's brain, voting no doesn't make a person dangerous or backward as you claimed.
    Anyone can call someone names, you can call that criticism, it is not arguing a point, we can all say you are dangerous and backward, but that is not constructive, is anyone any wiser as to why you would be dangerous and backward?
    It is a statement not backed up with anything, it is just name calling people not their beliefs, as you have added no explanation.
    Again, you're associating the beliefs directly with the person in an attempt to avoid criticism and debate of said beliefs, and instead claim people are being attacked. It's the classic religious argument and to be expected from a person who has openly admitted to being at least partly indoctrinated in Catholicism as a young person.
    Saying people who are voting no are dangerous and backward, was said by you with no substance.
    That's because I never said it at all. Only in your head did I say it. And even if I do say it at some stage, it does have substance, because a No vote will continue the discriminatory nature of marriage and the inequality that exists in the right. So yeah, you could argue that the people themselves are dangerous and backward if you wanted, but their beliefs on same sex marriage sure as hell are.


  • #2413
    iDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Mental acrobatics, they want to vote no and need to justify it to themselves by making up a "non-homophobic" reason in their own eyes for doing so.

    As someone who's experienced bullying (for different reasons) I can assure no voters that you are not being bullied. Your just having a disagreement.


  • #2414
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    traprunner wrote: »
    But that doesn't suit the No side. All of us voting Yes are now egg throwers in their eyes.

    My mother was reading about it this morning. She thought it was disgusting how they're using the incident to score points against the yes side. She's not even a yes voter.

    This could backfire on them as it greatly underestimates peoples ability to see through blatant opportunism.


  • #2415
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    A slap in the face is still a slap in the face.

    :(

    I don't know if anyone outside the Gay Community realises the effect the hate is having on us. It's relentless.
    If I was younger with less family ties to Ireland a NO vote would see me pack up and get the hell out - better that then spend your life wondering if those you thought held you in regard actually voted to support the Hate Campaign.

    Lines are being drawn in the sand and now, for us, increasingly anyone who votes No is voting for Iona. It's simplistic, it's arguable but how else do people expect us to feel when it has been demonstrated time and time again that Iona and it's offshoots are lying and if No wins they will claim the 'victory'.

    Absolutely. I'll never feel the same about Ireland again, regardless of the outcome. I'm genuinely shocked at the levels of intolerance towards the gay community and the "I respect gay people 100% but don't think they should be treated the same as me" lines.
    There have been many valiant attempts at defending us, from straight people but overall I feel we've been fed to the wolves. Genuinely shocked this has gone on in supposedly progressive society, I'd say it's almost without parallel in Western societies.


  • #2416
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    A slap in the face is still a slap in the face.

    :(

    I don't know if anyone outside the Gay Community realises the effect the hate is having on us. It's relentless.
    If I was younger with less family ties to Ireland a NO vote would see me pack up and get the hell out - better that then spend your life wondering if those you thought held you in regard actually voted to support the Hate Campaign.

    Lines are being drawn in the sand and now, for us, increasingly anyone who votes No is voting for Iona. It's simplistic, it's arguable but how else do people expect us to feel when it has been demonstrated time and time again that Iona and it's offshoots are lying and if No wins they will claim the 'victory'.

    This vote has nothing to do whether you like gay people are not, a no vote does not mean you hate gay people, I don't know why you would think that. A no vote does not also mean you support Iona. Your making a lot of assumptions and taking them personally which is nonsense, this is not a vote on whether society likes you get that out of your head as it's messed up thinking.


  • #2417
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Apart from my beliefs as I posted earlier in the thread.
    I am not a supporter of heterosexual civil marriage.
    Do you vote for more of what you didn't support before any referendum?
    Well this is just another gymnastics act for voting no. Why does it all have to be about you? Your beliefs? Your lack of support for marriage?

    Why not just abstain from the referendum, hold onto your beliefs on heterosexual marriage, and continue to live your life happily in the knowledge that you'll never be forced to get married to another man or attend a same sex wedding?


  • #2418
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    My mother was reading about it this morning. She thought it was disgusting how they're using the incident to score points against the yes side. She's not even a yes voter.

    This could backfire on them as it greatly underestimates peoples ability to see through blatant opportunism.

    Hopefully it changes many minds :D


  • #2419
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I wish the referendum was about the state exiting marriage, strengthening civil partnership for legal stuff and giving marriage back to the people.
    Where individual people could decide what is marriage to them.
    If it is about equality this would have allowed true equality.

    Is it just marriage you want to send back to pre-1864?


  • #2420
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    This vote has nothing to do whether you like gay people are not, a no vote does not mean you hate gay people, I don't know why you would think that. A no vote does not also mean you support Iona. Your making a lot of assumptions and taking them personally which is nonsense, this is not a vote on whether society likes you get that out of your head as it's messed up thinking.

    It is personal.

    But thanks for telling me I am engaging in 'messing up thinking' because that's not a personal comment at all at all.

    And thanks for telling the Gay Community how we should feel about being vilified.


  • #2421
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    road_high wrote: »
    Absolutely. I'll never feel the same about Ireland again, regardless of the outcome. I'm genuinely shocked at the levels of intolerance towards the gay community and the "I respect gay people 100% but don't think they should be treated the same as me" lines.
    There have been many valiant attempts at defending us, from straight people but overall I feel we've fed to the wolves. Genuinely shocked this has gone on in supposedly progressive society, I'd say it's almost without parallel in Western societies.

    You have my sympathies. For such a clear cut issue the No side have really scraped the barrel and I believe re-energised the homophobia and made it acceptable to be homophobic again. Previously closet homophobes are crawling out of the closets and being openly disgusting now.


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  • #2422
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    This vote has nothing to do whether you like gay people are not, a no vote does not mean you hate gay people.
    You're right, it has more to do with whether you hold prejudice towards them and whether you feel superior to them. I don't like and hate some gay people, but I'm sure as hell still voting yes on May 22nd.


  • #2423
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,472 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    sjb25 wrote: »
    Just browsing Facebook today and iv seen two people saying the same thing being bullied and won't be forced into a yes vote these are people in there 20s people who I would have tought would be yes voters but obviously not really seems to be a lot more no voters than one would think around I'm getting very nervous about the result of this referendum the closer it gets
    How many 'thanks' did their post get?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #2424
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    This vote has nothing to do whether you like gay people are not, a no vote does not mean you hate gay people, I don't know why you would think that. A no vote does not also mean you support Iona. Your making a lot of assumptions and taking them personally which is nonsense, this is not a vote on whether society likes you get that out of your head as it's messed up thinking.

    What on earth makes you think that a no-vote doesn't mean you disrespect gay people to the extent that you see them as inferior and won't vote for them to be equal? I won't say "hate" because that implies anger, and many people aren't angry towards gay people, they just don't want to give them equal rights in a hugely, immensely and hurtfully disrespectful way. What part of that wouldn't mess with your head and your heart if you were the person in question here? Are you blind or something?


  • #2425
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    This vote has nothing to do whether you like gay people are not, a no vote does not mean you hate gay people, I don't know why you would think that. A no vote does not also mean you support Iona. Your making a lot of assumptions and taking them personally which is nonsense, this is not a vote on whether society likes you get that out of your head as it's messed up thinking.

    Seriously?


  • #2426
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    traprunner wrote: »
    You have my sympathies. For such a clear cut issue the No side have really scraped the barrel and I believe re-energised the homophobia and made it acceptable to be homophobic again. Previously closet homophobes are crawling out of the closets and being openly disgusting now.

    That's it. They've had a cover in the form of democracy or "respect for my opinion" under this referendum. The repercussions and affects on the often fragile mental health of many Irish LGBT this has had is significant. It must be torture for those poor souls still struggling with their sexuality to bare.


  • #2427
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I vote for something that brings me closer to my ideal. So if my desire was to 'give marriage back to the people' (for whatever that means) I would take the opportunity I have been presented to extend access to marriage to more people what after all are the LGBT community only people. I wouldn't be a hypocrite and profess to be in favour of something, vote against the only measure available to me to advance my cause and then cry utterly transparent crocodile tears because 'the government are still involved in marriage'.

    The state will be further ensconced in the business of marriage with a yes vote.
    The chances of them ever exiting it further decreased.
    We are only having this referendum due to marriage being taken control by the state that we were in, in the past.
    If the state has never taken control in the past, there would have been same sex marriage years ago.


  • #2428
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    traprunner wrote: »
    But that doesn't suit the No side. All of us voting Yes are now egg throwers in their eyes.

    I thought Ronan Mullen said we were Egg Harvesters LOL!!!

    My feeling is that the closer we get to the actual day of the vote the more incidents we will see happening and the more the No campaign will try and blow them out of proportion because unfortunately they know that FUD works on certain demographics of the electorate.

    The only bullying I am seeing is that which is using absolute falsehoods to try and scare people into a no vote with blatant lies or trying to give the perception that the referendum is about topics that aren't in its scope.


  • #2429
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The problem in this world is intolerance and it goes in every direction.
    One shouldn't care if a person is gay or straight.
    One shouldn't take offense that someone has a different belief to what you have.

    I believe marriage is a man/woman thing, but I have absolutely no problem with anyone who believes different or campaigns for SSM if they believe it. Life shouldn't be about hating people, we have what we believe, most of us can't help it, it is something deep down and hard to change.

    Treating people with respect as in treating them as you would like to be treated is how I try to live my life. Someone believing something different, doesn't make them wrong. We should accept differences, it is not like anyone is perfect.
    People who believe in same sex marriage are not wrong, people who don't support it are not wrong once it is not borne out of hate or dislike of gay people.
    Tolerance of differences is what we need. Someone having a different opinion to what one believes doesn't make them bad.

    That's lovely. But a No vote isn't a vote for tolerance. It doesn't respect difference or give people the choice to live their lives.

    Now I respect their right to their views and to vote how they wish. And I also fully respect their right to express their views.

    But let's not pretend that we can all just agree to disagree about this.

    A no vote prevents that. It says only relationships which come within that persons preferred shape or form should merit constitutional protection and equal recognition.

    It doesn't give me the option to marry on equal terms. It forces me to accept a lesser status.

    So while it's nice and all to preach about tolerance of opinions, it would be nice if you called for tolerance of people a day relationships. Particularly as a person can allow me to enter into a civil marriage and still not regard my relationship as right in the eyes of their religion, or as worthy of respect as their own.


  • #2430
    Riverireland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭Riverireland


    Some very sad posts in this thread. I really hope that in the event of a no vote gay people will be able in some way to accept it and not see it as a rejection of them as people. Some people are simply not as evolved as others and almost all people have a lot of fear of any kind of change.

    Prejudice is rampant in all walks of life whether it's race, religion, age, travellers or sexual orientation, even marital status. We are all subject to discrimination in one way or another. Sometimes we all have to accept that not everyone likes or approves of us. If we were all to dwell on this we would be miserable all the time.


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  • #2431
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    traprunner wrote: »
    You have my sympathies. For such a clear cut issue the No side have really scraped the barrel and I believe re-energised the homophobia and made it acceptable to be homophobic again. Previously closet homophobes are crawling out of the closets and being openly disgusting now.

    Absolutely.

    It had become unacceptable to be openly homophobic but suddenly it has become unacceptable to call even the most blatant homophobes homophobic as that has been spun into calling all No voters homophobic.

    Are all No voter homophobic - absolutely not.

    Are some No Voters homophobic - absolutely yes but if that is pointed out we are being bullies. All this while Gay people are being told not to take the bile personally.

    The tactics of the No campaign have given licence to the actual homophobes to spew their hate and then play the victim card when they are called on it.

    It's like are all Ulster Unionists sectarians? No - some of them genuinelly believe remaining in the Union is the right course of action but if they voted for the likes of Paisley they were enabling sectarianism.

    That is what is happening here - those who support the No campaign for reasons such as holding a traditional view of marriage as man+woman and would have no problem with Civil Partnership being given equal Constitutional protection to marriage are enabling the hate by lending it their tacit support.


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