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Kiwi in IE · 13-05-2015 11:32PM

smash wrote: »

I don't disagree. And this is no excuse for the egging but it's also a bit shíte to be dragging your kid to a No campaign rally and getting her to walk around with a placard to promote inequality.

I have been wearing several Yes Equality badges for the past while now on my jumpers, coats and bags. As much as I am a staunch supporter of marriage equality, I would not put one on my child. He is too young to fully understand the issues and it would not be his own opinion at 6 years of age. Despite that I fully believe that voting yes is the only thing to do, my child is not a billboard to publicly display my opinion.

frostyjacks · 13-05-2015 11:35PM

K4t wrote: »

This.

And to efb: Respect your friend as a person, but DO NOT respect those beliefs; by doing so you are only perpetuating such beliefs and their acceptability. Of course he has a right to hold such beliefs, but you should absolutely exert your right to label them bull**** and backward. That would be showing true respect to your friend.

Jawohl mein Führer

StewartGriffin · 13-05-2015 11:35PM

K4t wrote: »

This.

And to efb:DO NOT respect those beliefs; by doing so you are only perpetuating such beliefs and their acceptability. Of course he has a right to hold such beliefs, but you should absolutely exert your right to label them bull**** and backward. That would be showing true respect to your friend.

Yes. That would definitely bring him around.

efb: "Sorry old chap, but what you believe is bull**** and backward!"

friend: "Golly, now you say it like that it's all become clear, you're absolutely right and I shall mend my ways. Thanks efb!"

smash · 13-05-2015 11:35PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Such sympathy. Well it's not like anaphylactic shocks are fatal or anything.

It's not like she was targeted because of that FFS.

gandalf · 13-05-2015 11:36PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Such sympathy. Well it's not like anaphylactic shocks are fatal or anything.

The suspicious would say that it was quite interesting that the one girl in question that was hit with the egg had an allergy to them. They would say that what side would benefit most from this incident happening. I see that the so called Mothers and Fathers matter are already using this as propaganda on their facebook page. Whoever carried out this act is scum but they are scum as well because they are trying to benefit from the suffering of a 10 year old girl who in reality should not have been present at a decisive political gathering.

I hope she recovers quickly and I hope that the Gardai get the scumbag who carried out this assault.

CiDeRmAn · 13-05-2015 11:37PM

RobertKK wrote: »

How many muslims are terrorists, should we judge them all by the worst?

Who are you to judge others?

I'm pretty sure the new testament has a few things to say about people passing judgement, namely that they shouldn't, just in case someone else judges them.
Unfortunately this type of bible teaching doesn't fit with the kind of intolerance much of the no side seem intent on peddling and so it's ignored in preference to more old testament stuff

AtomicHorror · 13-05-2015 11:37PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Jawohl mein Führer

Just how many times have you Godwin'd this thread? Must be dozens at least.

Desperate.

WinnyThePoo · 13-05-2015 11:37PM

smash wrote: »

It's not like she was targeted because of that FFS.

Leave him be. It's all he's got right now.

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 11:39PM

road_high wrote: »

Hopefully the Gardai have more to be doing than following up on this schoolyard nonsence. It's an egg for Christ sake, not like she has her head kicked in. A non story and another clutch at straws for sympathy by the no brigade.

People can die from food allergies.

I know a person who didn't know they had a food allergy. Ate food that hadn't affected him before, got an allergic reaction. Whole body was swelling, his wedding ring was cutting into his finger, had to open his belt on his trousers as he was swelling up everywhere, had to take his shoes off.
Rushed into hospital and he was finding it very hard to breathe. Got initial treatment, but it was not working and he collapsed and went into spasm. A nurse who is a friend of his who works in the hospital told him they thought he was going to die when he collapsed. He now has the pen to inject himself if it happens again.
It is not something to make little of. It is not about sympathy or votes, it is about decency.

frostyjacks · 13-05-2015 11:40PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Just how many times have you Godwin'd this thread? Must be dozens at least.

Desperate.

I had to google that. What other Nazi analogies have I made?

Kiwi in IE · 13-05-2015 11:40PM

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Yes. That would definitely bring him around.

efb: "Sorry old chap, but what you believe is bull**** and backward!"

friend: "Golly, now you say it like that it's all become clear, you're absolutely right and I shall mend my ways. Thanks efb!"

Trust me this is not the response you get from someone who is really ingrained that their god doesn't like it. I know someone who, I am quite certain if they thought their god wanted everyone to go naked, they would vote yes in a referendum to outlaw clothing.

This same person voted no in the divorce referendum despite that one of their children was in a really terrible marriage.

gandalf · 13-05-2015 11:41PM

K4t wrote: »

This.

And to efb: Respect your friend as a person, but DO NOT respect those beliefs; by doing so you are only perpetuating such beliefs and their acceptability. Of course he has a right to hold such beliefs, but you should absolutely exert your right to label them bull**** and backward. That would be showing true respect to your friend.

But what purpose would that suit. People objecting because of their religion will not be turned. efb, you, me and everyone else is better engaging with people who are undecided and who will listen to logic not people who believe in the god cloud. I have family members who are members of Opus Dei, there is no way I will be discussing this with them because I know already that they will not be for turning. On the 23rd they are still my family and life will carry on (hopefully a more equal life for all!).

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 11:41PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the new testament has a few things to say about people passing judgement, namely that they shouldn't, just in case someone else judges them.
Unfortunately this type of bible teaching doesn't fit with the kind of intolerance much of the no side seem intent on peddling and so it's ignored in preference to more old testament stuff

The book of Wisdom in the old testament.

'Judge not, and be not judged.'

marienbad · 13-05-2015 11:41PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

It's how you fight a negative campaign. These aren't seen that often in Ireland. It seems to be bordering on US style politics at this stage. It's pretty sad.

If I saw this as regularly as I’m seeing the negative comments about anyone who is thinking about voting no then I would. I actually haven’t seen one item calling someone a ‘disgrace’, ‘disgusting’, ‘an idiot’ for planning to vote yes. I originally expected that from the No vote but outside of a few comments from one off loonies I can see it.

If you’re blaming the next generation then I fear for our politics. As you say it you might actually be right as there is at times a water protestor hive mind to some of the social media stuff.

And you think the social media commentary is worse than the No poster campaign , both official and unofficial ?

You think the constant threat of legal action by Iona and co. is better than the yes campaign ?

You think the likes of Senator Ronan Mullen and that chap Manning who have done nothing but shout down any opposing opinion untrammelled by any effective moderation from broadcasters to cowed by ligation to be effective is better than the yes campaign ?

You think unofficial no posters comparing gay couples to horses and bulls , anonymous threats to business showing yes posters , anonymous threats to radio dj's judged too favourable to a yes vote as better than the yes campaign ?

You think a prominent no advocate grilling his yes opponent about his sexual practices in the most obscene way on local radio ( Donegal I think)
better than the yes campaign ?

The no campaign is a text book negative campaign and it is not the first time they have used it and done so successfully, both divorce referenda and all the abortion ones . And it won't be the last

The notion of the No campaign being bullied and silenced and made victims is just so laughable if it were not so serious . To appropriate the real life experience of those on the other side is hypocrisy of the highest order. The tragedy is reasonable people are buying it.

blacklilly · 13-05-2015 11:41PM

gandalf wrote: »

Whoever carried out this act is scum but they are scum as well because they are trying to benefit from the suffering of a 10 year old girl who in reality should not have been present at a decisive political gathering

Who are you to say she shouldn't have been there? She was there with her mother and siblings and had every right to be there, it's a public place. Some parents don't have alternative options for child minding.

K4t · 13-05-2015 11:41PM

RobertKK wrote: »

How many muslims are terrorists

I don't know and why do you care?

should we judge them all by the worst?

I don't judge one Muslim the same as the next. I judge people individually, as human beings. Don't you?

Who are you to judge others? You want people to think like you do, to beleive what you believe, or else they are judged as being dangerous and backward.
This kind of thought process is what has led to great horrors in the past, as people who believe this have gotten into power and beleived they were the ones with the right opinions and beliefs and they went about removing these 'dangerous' people...

Well this is just more nonsense and lies about myself. Just as one has a right to free thought, free expression and so on, the next person has the right to criticise those thoughts being expressed. You're attempting to make yourself and others immune from criticism by associating the person's beliefs with the person as a human being, and making a lovely, Christian argument about respecting others and their beliefs. No, sorry, I'm not buying it, and nor should anyone else here. You're entitled to make you're argument, but I'm going to point out the flaws in it and call it for what is is. Bull****.

rainbow kirby · 13-05-2015 11:42PM

If you know your child has severe allergies, why would you risk taking them with you while you're involved in something politically contentious?

efb · 13-05-2015 11:43PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM

Post canvass tune! Haters gonna hate- shake it off!

frostyjacks · 13-05-2015 11:44PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

If you know your child has severe allergies, why would you risk taking them with you while you're involved in something politically contentious?

Oh right. Blame the victim now.

gandalf · 13-05-2015 11:45PM

blacklilly wrote: »

Who are you to say she shouldn't have been there? She was there with her mother and siblings and had every right to be there, it's a public place. Some parents don't have alternative options for child minding.

Well then that parent should have considered the actual safety of their child and stayed away. It demonstrates the hypocrisy of the no side that they care about imaginary children but not a toss about the real ones. They appear to use them as mere window dressing for their lies.

Kiwi in IE · 13-05-2015 11:47PM

blacklilly wrote: »

Who are you to say she shouldn't have been there? She was there with her mother and siblings and had every right to be there, it's a public place. Some parents don't have alternative options for child minding.

I would not go out if I didn't have childcare and the place I wanted to go was unsuitable for children, like any good parent.

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 11:48PM

K4t wrote: »

I don't know and why do you care? I don't judge one Muslim the same as the next. I judge people individually, as human beings. Don't you?

Well this is just more nonsense and lies about myself. Just as one has a right to free thought, free expression and so on, the next person has the right to criticise those thoughts being expressed. You're attempting to make yourself and others immune from criticism by associating the person's beliefs with the person as a human being, and making a lovely, Christian argument about respecting others and their beliefs. No, sorry, I'm not buying it, and nor should anyone else here. You're entitled to make you're argument, but I'm going to point out the flaws in it and call it for what is is. Bull****.

You brought up muslims for discussion.

K4t, you are dangerous and backward, because i don't agree with your opinions. That is what you are saying.
I don't mind criticism, I do take issue with you saying people who hold different beliefs to you are dangerous and backward, because with you people are not allowed to have the freedom of religion and the freedom of expression of that, which are human rights.
You say these human rights are dangerous and backward.

frostyjacks · 13-05-2015 11:49PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I would not go out if I didn't have childcare and the place I wanted to go was unsuitable for children, like any good parent.

It was a shopping centre, not south central LA.

K4t · 13-05-2015 11:51PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

If you know your child has severe allergies, why would you risk taking them with you while you're involved in something politically contentious?

In fairness they probably didn't assume she would be hit with an egg in what has mostly been a peaceful campaign. Having her hold a No poster on the other hand.....that poor girl.

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Yes. That would definitely bring him around.

It's not necessarily about bringing him around. It's about engaging in open discourse and questioning and criticising beliefs, and not (as you'll see RobertKK asking for) simply choosing to accept that people have different beliefs and live and let live in magical fairy land. That is the road to ruin.

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 11:51PM

gandalf wrote: »

Well then that parent should have considered the actual safety of her child and stayed away. It demonstrates the hypocrisy of the no side that they care about imaginary children but not a toss about the real ones. They appear to use them as mere window dressing for their lies.

How dare that child be outside a supermarket where a meet and greet is taking place.
Should there be a curfew for children being in public in case a random person injures them?

gandalf · 13-05-2015 11:52PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

It was a shopping centre, not south central LA.

Campaigning for a very divisive and emotive issue. Personally that is bad parenting and certainly not the behaviour one would expect of an organisation pretending to promote the protection of children as one of its core values.

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 11:54PM

efb wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM

Post canvass tune! Haters gonna hate- shake it off!

Will be for me, will be at the 3Arena presuming I'm still alive on June 29th.

efb · 13-05-2015 11:55PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Will be for me, will be at the 3Arena presuming I'm still alive on June 29th.

Im not usually a fan! Kylie and Grace Jones previous week!

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 11:58PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I have been wearing several Yes Equality badges for the past while now on my jumpers, coats and bags. As much as I am a staunch supporter of marriage equality, I would not put one on my child. He is too young to fully understand the issues and it would not be his own opinion at 6 years of age. Despite that I fully believe that voting yes is the only thing to do, my child is not a billboard to publicly display my opinion.

I have seen children at yes and no events while browsing social media. I don't see the problem, we live in a supposedly free society.
These children are part of society and parents have a right to bring up children with values they believe in, and they can decide for themselves when older.
Shouldn't have to hide the children, whether yes or no because neither side should be getting attacked with things.

SaveOurLyric · 14-05-2015 12:00AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't mind criticism, I do take issue with you saying people who hold different beliefs to you are dangerous and backward, because with you people are not allowed to have the freedom of religion and the freedom of expression of that, which are human rights.
You say these human rights are dangerous and backward.

Absolutely, people have the freedom of religion and the freedom of expression of that.
But that does not make them not dangerous and backward. It is still possible that, while not denying that freedom, such beliefs are indeed dangerous and backward.

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