Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

jaja321 · 13-05-2015 09:59PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Had the no canvassers this evening, were one of the last places in town and they'd only 2 people in favour of a yes in the day, asked how it was going they said its 90% for the no, most towns they've been were mostly no and they can't understand the polls, there was one town they went to and they got abused, doors slammed in their faces they whole town was mainly yes.
I'd say the country/city divide is huge on this from talking to him.

Where was this if you don't mind me asking?

KingBrian2 · 13-05-2015 10:02PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Had the no canvassers this evening, were one of the last places in town and they'd only 2 people in favour of a yes in the day, asked how it was going they said its 90% for the no, most towns they've been were mostly no and they can't understand the polls, there was one town they went to and they got abused, doors slammed in their faces they whole town was mainly yes.
I'd say the country/city divide is huge on this from talking to him.

They are going to say they have the support as they are trying to sell the no side to you. They don't know any better how the decision will go. This referendum is very important and those who have opposed providing rights to Same Sex marriages will definitely get their message out there. It is up to the yes side to not only win the day but hopefully produce a landslide victory.

drunkmonkey · 13-05-2015 10:04PM

jaja321 wrote: »

Where was this if you don't mind me asking?

I do ya, one thing branding a poster but a whole county I couldn't do it to them, have to think of the pink pound this time of year. I won't even mention the Provence.

efb · 13-05-2015 10:08PM

osarusan wrote: »

Thank you for all that you are doing.

Everyone can only do whatever they can. Appreciate he thanks. It's the Yes voters that get all my thanks

drunkmonkey · 13-05-2015 10:08PM

VinLieger wrote: »

No matter the overall the result the breakdown in the results is going to be VERY interesting. Will be very useful in deciding where i holiday in ireland for the forseeable future

You should holiday in Morocco, I thought the whole place was gay until the tour guide told me it's normal for men to walk hand in hand, nobody would bat an eyelid at you, even a kiss goodbye is ok, and were meant to be the liberals.

VinLieger · 13-05-2015 10:09PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I do ya, one thing branding a poster but a whole county I couldn't do it to them, have to think of the pink pound this time of year. I won't even mention the Provence.

If the vote does end up going as the canvassers you talked to expect there wont be sight nor sound of pink pound for a long time. Its not going to be vengeance or retribution either, why would you go somewhere where you are resoundedly not welcome

efb · 13-05-2015 10:09PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Fair play to you and everyone else canvassing doing amazing work and this is great to hear, id love to as well but my blood is too high on this that i reckon id do more harm than good

Well talk with your friends/family everyone whatever they do counts

efb · 13-05-2015 10:10PM

gandalf wrote: »

I disagree if people are masking their reason to vote by spouting obvious lies then they deserve all the ridicule that can be aimed at them.

I'd respect no voters more if they just said "It's against my religion" than all this "protect the kids" fudge or it will destroy the institution of marriage (divorce was already supposed to have done this!).

I have. Friend who is a devout Catholic and I understand and respect his no

VinLieger · 13-05-2015 10:11PM

efb wrote: »

Well talk with your friends/family everyone whatever they do counts

Ohh I am you can count on that, i may be living in a yes bubble though like a lot of people are starting to suspect, really hope im not

traprunner · 13-05-2015 10:14PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Had the no canvassers this evening, were one of the last places in town and they'd only 2 people in favour of a yes in the day, asked how it was going they said its 90% for the no, most towns they've been were mostly no and they can't understand the polls, there was one town they went to and they got abused, doors slammed in their faces they whole town was mainly yes.
I'd say the country/city divide is huge on this from talking to him.

Aye. They would say that. 90% does make me laugh a little. I expect the vote to be close but a selection are 90% against. Was it priests houses they knocked on?

aloyisious · 13-05-2015 10:30PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

This is getting too confusing. I thought we had decided that we should only let people marry if they sign a legally binding contract to procreate together?

We? Is that the WE on the "vote No" campaign poster "we already have Civil Partnership"

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 10:35PM

Most Yes people and most No people are ordinary decent people.
I'm saying this due to an incident that happened in Navan today at a No event. No campaigners were egged and a 10 year old girl had to be rushed to hospital as she suffers from an egg allergy.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/598590468562227201

Whoever did this is hopefully caught.

drunkmonkey · 13-05-2015 10:36PM

traprunner wrote: »

Aye. They would say that. 90% does make me laugh a little. I expect the vote to be close but a selection are 90% against. Was it priests houses they knocked on?

Was just looking at the divorce referendum by county, only 5 county's voted for it but it still passed. What would you think if i said this might be pretty similar, if you win county dublin you win regardless of what the rest of the country thinks.

http://irishpoliticalmaps.blogspot.ie/2013/09/referendum-1995-divorce-dissolution-of.html

I'm not sure if there will be a protest vote this time, i'd say some of the water crew would do anything to give Enda a kicking but will they wait for the general election. The churches power has slipped a bit so i'd say the they might cancel each other out.

The 86 referendum paints a different picture (Dissolution of Marriage) http://irishpoliticalmaps.blogspot.ie/2012/11/referendum-1986-divorce.html

road_high · 13-05-2015 10:37PM

efb wrote: »

I have. Friend who is a devout Catholic and I understand and respect his no

I wouldn't. He can have his private beliefs and go to mass 24/7 as far as I'd be concerned, but don't use them as an excuse to deny rights to other citizens because of their sexuality.
And this is civil marriage. Zero to do with religious marriage. Those nasty gays won't be invading their churches.

efb · 13-05-2015 10:38PM

road_high wrote: »

I wouldn't. He can have his private beliefs and go to mass 24/7 as far as I'd be concerned, but don't use them as an excuse to deny rights to other citizens because of their sexuality.
And this is civil marriage. Zero to do with religious marriage. Those nasty gays won't be invading their churches.

That's his faith- he is devout. If he was a la carte I wouldn't entertain it, but they are his beliefs and I respect that

efb · 13-05-2015 10:40PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Most Yes people and most No people are ordinary decent people.
I'm saying this due to an incident that happened in Navan today at a No event. No campaigners were egged and a 10 year old girl had to be rushed to hospital as she suffers from an egg allergy.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/598590468562227201

Whoever did this is hopefully caught.

One egg was thrown by a young lad on a bicycle - a horrible thing to happen the little girl, but it can't be attributed to the yes side.

Sofiztikated · 13-05-2015 10:41PM

efb wrote: »

That's his faith- he is devout. If he was a la carte I wouldn't entertain it, but they are his beliefs and I respect that

I respect his right to hold his belief, but when his belief impacts on others, then all bets go out the window.

padd b1975 · 13-05-2015 10:42PM

osarusan wrote: »

Thank you for all that you are doing.

Indeed, and thank you for mentioning it efb.

Several times:cool:

kevin12345 · 13-05-2015 10:45PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Indeed, and thank you for mentioning it efb.

Several times:cool:

Yep, keep it up ef, great to hear some responses from those out canvassing. Don't listen to the nay-sayers. Most of us appreciate it. Keep up the good work.

frostyjacks · 13-05-2015 10:46PM

efb wrote: »

One egg was thrown by a young lad on a bicycle - a horrible thing to happen the little girl, but it can't be attributed to the yes side.

You can't weasle your way out of this.

"...at least one youth started throwing missiles, including eggs."

If the yes camp are going to label people on the no side as bigots and homophobes, this sort of thuggery is only to be expected. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

efb · 13-05-2015 10:46PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Indeed, and thank you for mentioning it efb.

Several times:cool:

I mention when I come in the evening - give the response etc. Discussion forums work like that

StewartGriffin · 13-05-2015 10:47PM

VinLieger wrote: »

No matter the overall the result the breakdown in the results is going to be VERY interesting. Will be very useful in deciding where i holiday in ireland for the forseeable future

So if a town votes a majority No you will boycott it, including the Yes minority therein? Even though the businesses you are boycotting may be run by gay people?

Sounds like the same logic of people who vote no because they don't like the antics of some of the yes crowd.

Ave Sodalis · 13-05-2015 10:48PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

You can't weasle your way out of this.

"...at least one youth started throwing missiles, including eggs."

If the yes camp are going to label people on the no side as bigots and homophobes, this sort of thuggery is only to be expected. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

It's quite clear she wasn't trying to weasel out of it. Eggs should not have been thrown. There's no excusing that. However, there's no proof or sign it was Yes campaigners and not just random people.

haveringchick · 13-05-2015 10:48PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Maybe you missed the tweet from David Quinn that if the marriage amendment is passed, that his straight male friends could marry each other for tax purposes. It could get even worse than you thought.

Im not on Twitter but thanks for pointing that out

road_high · 13-05-2015 10:49PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Was just looking at the divorce referendum by county, only 5 county's voted for it but it still passed. What would you think if i said this might be pretty similar, if you win county dublin you win regardless of what the rest of the country thinks.

http://irishpoliticalmaps.blogspot.ie/2013/09/referendum-1995-divorce-dissolution-of.html

I'm not sure if there will be a protest vote this time, i'd say some of the water crew would do anything to give Enda a kicking but will they wait for the general election. The churches power has slipped a bit so i'd say the they might cancel each other out.

The 86 referendum paints a different picture (Dissolution of Marriage) http://irishpoliticalmaps.blogspot.ie/2012/11/referendum-1986-divorce.html

Always said it'll be won or lost in Dublin and Leinster. This is where the majority of the country live. Definite correlation between urbanisation, education and professional class and voting yes. There are many exceptions of course, but educated, younger professional voters in cities are more likely to be in favour of liberalisation. The further East you go, the more likely Yes became too.
It's mental to think/look how close the divorce ref was just 20 years ago. Munster and the midlands look stifling conservative. Well over 60% opposed to divorce at that time. Crazy stuff

efb · 13-05-2015 10:49PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

You can't weasle your way out of this.

"...at least one youth started throwing missiles, including eggs."

If the yes camp are going to label people on the no side as bigots and homophobes, this sort of thuggery is only to be expected. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

Garda statement :

We can confirm that Gardai in Navan are investigating an alleged assault on a female, aged approximately 10 years, outside Navan Shopping Centre,” said a spokesman.

“It is alleged that a male cycling a bicycle threw an egg at a group of people at approximately 4.30pm.

“The male is described as wearing a blue jacket and cycled from Kennedy Plaza in the direction of Preston Place.”

I'm not weaseling out of anything. It was a horrible act.

aloyisious · 13-05-2015 10:51PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

But this isn't a political issue.

I'd have thought the same myself, thinking as all the parties have a "truce" on the issue and are not "You did" - "i didn't" each other. Then yesterday Mary Lou McDonald was "asked" by an usher in Political Central to remove her "yes" badge while in it, as deputies are NOT allowed wear political badges in the house.

RobertKK · 13-05-2015 10:55PM

road_high wrote: »

I wouldn't. He can have his private beliefs and go to mass 24/7 as far as I'd be concerned, but don't use them as an excuse to deny rights to other citizens because of their sexuality.
And this is civil marriage. Zero to do with religious marriage. Those nasty gays won't be invading their churches.

The problem in this world is intolerance and it goes in every direction.
One shouldn't care if a person is gay or straight.
One shouldn't take offense that someone has a different belief to what you have.

I believe marriage is a man/woman thing, but I have absolutely no problem with anyone who believes different or campaigns for SSM if they believe it. Life shouldn't be about hating people, we have what we believe, most of us can't help it, it is something deep down and hard to change.

Treating people with respect as in treating them as you would like to be treated is how I try to live my life. Someone believing something different, doesn't make them wrong. We should accept differences, it is not like anyone is perfect.
People who believe in same sex marriage are not wrong, people who don't support it are not wrong once it is not borne out of hate or dislike of gay people.
Tolerance of differences is what we need. Someone having a different opinion to what one believes doesn't make them bad.

VinLieger · 13-05-2015 10:59PM

StewartGriffin wrote: »

So if a town votes a majority No you will boycott it, including the Yes minority therein? Even though the businesses you are boycotting may be run by gay people?

Sounds like the same logic of people who vote no because they don't like the antics of some of the yes crowd.

Hah whos the bully now? I'm not allowed decide how and where i spend my money?

Also your reasoning is broken they are entirely different, one is choosing to condemn an entire section of society to inequality and second class citezenry due to how a small minority are behaving, the other is using freely available information to decide whether or not i would enjoy spending time in a place that may contain a majority of bigots and homophobes. For the very same reason i choose not to go to russia when going on holiday

Sofiztikated · 13-05-2015 10:59PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Tolerance of differences is what we need. Someone having a different opinion to what one believes doesn't make them bad.

No, but using your opinions to deny someone the same rights you enjoy, simply because you believe in something isn't exactly good, now is it?

For example:

I don't believe a black person should marry a white person. It's not that I don't think they are equal, I do, but I believe they shouldn't have the same rights as me.

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