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Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 08:35PM

MrWalsh wrote: »

I hear this but I really haven't seen it. Do you have any solid examples to link to?

Just from three statuses on Facebook in the last few hours from Yes supporters the words ‘disgrace’, ‘homophobic’, ‘retarded’, ‘stupid’, ‘irrational’, ‘desperate’, ‘pathetic’ were used to describe the no argument or campaigners. These are all people in their mid to late twenties university graduates who would not normally be political.

Even from reading the last few pages on the thread there’s appears to me to be constant sarcastic tone to a lot of posts (eg ‘bullying’, making fun of posters).

I don’t get the feeling that people are trying to get others to vote for a reason, ie ‘you should vote yes because…’, all I’m seeing is ‘if you vote no (or think about it for that matter) then you’re a…’

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 08:38PM

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

The yes side has out done accusing gay people of being pedophiles? I must have missed that.

Like you clearly missed my whole post.

This is actually the exact sort of thing I'm talking about. It's either 100% buy in or you get abuse.

CiDeRmAn · 13-05-2015 08:39PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Apparently SSM will give gay couples the right to procreate...
What should I do??? I had an unlicensed child :eek:

I thought possession of a womb gave me explicit permission but it seems I was misinformed... OH NOOOESSSS... Do I need to seek retrospective permission???

Let's face it.
There are people who find the bedroom antics of other people deeply distressing and the idea that legislation is going to normalise this, making this expression of love as legitimate as the one they are familar with is terrifying for them.
It has something to do with children in so much as they interpret the love of two people for each other, if they are of the same gender, as being an abomination and unnatural and, as such, an unfit setting for the raising of children and also a gateway for further unnatural acts such as surrogacy, by their interpretation not mine you understand.

I genuinely think this is at the centre of it and the rest is just bluster and nonsense.
I think they dress it up with religion or the rights of children but, at the bottom of it all, it is their discomfort at someone who is homosexual being seen as equal in all regards to the heterosexual population that is fuelling this entire matter.

Little do they appreciate the spectrum of things people get up to behind closed doors, both straight and gay, little do they realise how gay couples probably have the same fights and arguments about the same things as straight couples, and how straight couples differ from each other in terms of what they get up to in the bedroom, no need to be tempted to look into a gay relationship to find non-vanilla sex that many would find "uncomfortable" at least!
Like race, there is probably less difference between gay/straight relationships in general that there is difference between individual couples of either persuasion.

I'll be voting Yes.

And Bannasidhe as much as the state has tried to legislate for constraints on what a woman does with her womb, I'm pretty sure you have control over what you do with it, including having children.
No one for a second would attempt to take reproduction rights from another human being, there have been scandals in the not too distant past when people in mental institutions had this taken from them without consent, it's appalling that here we have an entire side of a debate that seems to be making a call on what gay people can and can't do in terms of reproduction, disgraceful.

marienbad · 13-05-2015 08:44PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Prior to the referendum campaign I expected for the No side to be less likable bunch but the Yes supporters have far out done them. I’ve never seen so many self-righteous, aggressive, and abusive comments from one side of a debate (I mean on general social media, not boards). It’s like the supporters are doing their best to put me off voting yes.

That is how you fight a political campaign , sorry it offends you .

Now have they told lies , used scurrilous posters , demeaned and belittled single parent families , infertile families ?

The No side in their quest for their definition of perfection have done all that and more . With their much vaunted concern for children they have no compunction about belittling the children of those single parent families. Most such families being in that position by circumstance and not by choice . Shown no compassion for all those LGBT kids up and down the land daily inundated with proof that they are less than equal ?

Does any of that offend you ?

Or it just the raucous youthful enthusiasm of a new generation energised for the first time in their lives by an issue that really matters to them ?

Win or lose for someone of the older generation I have found it a privilege to be at one with them.

Vote for what is right because it is right , that is the only honourable option. And if for you that is no then good luck to you.

osarusan · 13-05-2015 08:46PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Prior to the referendum campaign I expected for the No side to be less likable bunch but the Yes supporters have far out done them.

I will agree that both sides have done some stuff that's noting to be proud about. But 'out done' is quite a statement.

Can you point out a piece of dislikeable Yes advocacy that has 'out done' this?

BMMachine · 13-05-2015 08:46PM

The thing I always think about this is, its not a debate. Its about making human beings equal in the eyes of the law.

Some people don't want them to be equal. They are going to vote for them not to be equal.

That isn't a debate

CiDeRmAn · 13-05-2015 08:50PM

osarusan wrote: »

I will agree that both sides have done some stuff that's noting to be proud about. But 'out done' is quite a statement.

Can you point out a piece of dislikeable Yes advocacy that has 'out done' this?

You'd swear that straight people didn't engage in "sodomy" themselves, as I've said elsewhere, judging by the amount of it in mainstream straight porn I'd say it a dead cert!

Ave Sodalis · 13-05-2015 08:55PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Just from three statuses on Facebook in the last few hours from Yes supporters the words ‘disgrace’, ‘homophobic’, ‘retarded’, ‘stupid’, ‘irrational’, ‘desperate’, ‘pathetic’ were used to describe the no argument or campaigners. These are all people in their mid to late twenties university graduates who would not normally be political.

Even from reading the last few pages on the thread there’s appears to me to be constant sarcastic tone to a lot of posts (eg ‘bullying’, making fun of posters).

I don’t get the feeling that people are trying to get others to vote for a reason, ie ‘you should vote yes because…’, all I’m seeing is ‘if you vote no (or think about it for that matter) then you’re a…’

It should be noted that the last few pages on this thread were in reply to the same people. These people have thus far jumped on any No argument they could think of, brought up and clung to completely irrelevant points, used insulting language, and have twisted everyone's words in order to prove a point they've made up. This has been going on since this threads predecessor and over other threads, mostly by the same three or four posters. People are just getting fed up with them.

El Weirdo · 13-05-2015 08:55PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

... These are all people in their mid to late twenties university graduates who would not normally be political.

But this isn't a political issue.

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 08:56PM

osarusan wrote: »

I will agree that both sides have done some stuff that's noting to be proud about. But 'out done' is quite a statement.

Can you point out a piece of dislikeable Yes advocacy that has 'out done' this?

Not in quality of a single dislikeable piece but I’m talking more so in sheer quantity of social media rabble rousing. It’s probably less to do with people who are directly involved in the Yes campaign and more so those who have a passing knowledge of the issues and are fishing for likes from their peers.

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 08:57PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

But this isn't a political issue.

Did I say it was?

El Weirdo · 13-05-2015 08:59PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Did I say it was?

Then why mention that those people wouldn't normally be political?

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 09:09PM

marienbad wrote: »

That is how you fight a political campaign , sorry it offends you .

It's how you fight a negative campaign. These aren't seen that often in Ireland. It seems to be bordering on US style politics at this stage. It's pretty sad.

Now have they told lies , used scurrilous posters , demeaned and belittled single parent families , infertile families ?

The No side in their quest for their definition of perfection have done all that and more . With their much vaunted concern for children they have no compunction about belittling the children of those single parent families. Most such families being in that position by circumstance and not by choice . Shown no compassion for all those LGBT kids up and down the land daily inundated with proof that they are less than equal ?

Does any of that offend you ?

If I saw this as regularly as I’m seeing the negative comments about anyone who is thinking about voting no then I would. I actually haven’t seen one item calling someone a ‘disgrace’, ‘disgusting’, ‘an idiot’ for planning to vote yes. I originally expected that from the No vote but outside of a few comments from one off loonies I can see it.

Or it just the raucous youthful enthusiasm of a new generation energised for the first time in their lives by an issue that really matters to them ?

If you’re blaming the next generation then I fear for our politics. As you say it you might actually be right as there is at times a water protestor hive mind to some of the social media stuff.

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 09:18PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Then why mention that those people wouldn't normally be political?

Firstly, to show that they aren’t used to elections, canvassing, getting people to vote the way they want. Secondly, it points to them being less likely to keep up with current affairs which in turn may mean they may not have researched the debate.

LookingFor · 13-05-2015 09:20PM

Just had an Iona Institute flier in the door. The opening point is already loaded with lies, it's pretty amazing.

It's a shame they didn't ring the doorbell. One-way communication media has always suited Iona it seems...

efb · 13-05-2015 09:23PM

More positive canvass tonight. 30 something professionals v yes. A lot seem to be reassured by Ref Com and Adoption Authority on Iona red herrings.

Back out again tomorrow

seamus · 13-05-2015 09:26PM

efb wrote: »

A lot seem to be reassured by Ref Com and Adoption Authority on Iona red herrings.

Yeah, I'd be interested to see how things poll after the interview with the adoption authority. A lot of people for whatever reason had it in their heads that there'd suddenly be a rush on of gay couples demanding their right to adopt a child above everyone else.

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 09:29PM

BMMachine wrote: »

The thing I always think about this is, its not a debate. Its about making human beings equal in the eyes of the law.

Some people don't want them to be equal. They are going to vote for them not to be equal.

That isn't a debate

People aren’t equal in the eyes of the law (look at the laws for men vs women).

Again, this is a great example of what I’m talking about.

‘How dare you even think about having a discussion about the effect this change will have on society’?

Cody montana · 13-05-2015 09:29PM

Was out canvassing, feedback was mostly positive.
Made my day.
I fell like I'm part of something big, something that can change history.

Hammer Archer · 13-05-2015 09:30PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

If I saw this as regularly as I’m seeing the negative comments about anyone who is thinking about voting no then I would. I actually haven’t seen one item calling someone a ‘disgrace’, ‘disgusting’, ‘an idiot’ for planning to vote yes. I originally expected that from the No vote but outside of a few comments from one off loonies I can see it.

But almost every single No poster is a lie that has nothing to do with the referendum at hand. Is that not often enough? Genuine question.

PopePalpatine · 13-05-2015 09:42PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Prior to the referendum campaign I expected for the No side to be less likable bunch but the Yes supporters have far out done them. I’ve never seen so many self-righteous, aggressive, and abusive comments from one side of a debate (I mean on general social media, not boards). It’s like the supporters are doing their best to put me off voting yes.

You want nasty? Read AlphaRed's posts. They sound like something from a Russian "safari" club.

looking_around · 13-05-2015 09:44PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

People aren’t equal in the eyes of the law (look at the laws for men vs women).

Again, this is a great example of what I’m talking about.

‘How dare you even think about having a discussion about the effect this change will have on society’?

Sooo,
let me get this straight.
There's already inequal laws, is reason against equality?

Makes sense :rolleyes:

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 09:44PM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

But almost every single No poster is a lie that has nothing to do with the referendum at hand. Is that not often enough? Genuine question.

Even if people believe what you’re saying it doesn’t give them the right to be dismissive and abusive of people who don’t agree with them or have not made a decision.

osarusan · 13-05-2015 09:44PM

efb wrote: »

More positive canvass tonight. 30 something professionals v yes. A lot seem to be reassured by Ref Com and Adoption Authority on Iona red herrings.

Back out again tomorrow

Thank you for all that you are doing.

VinLieger · 13-05-2015 09:51PM

efb wrote: »

More positive canvass tonight. 30 something professionals v yes. A lot seem to be reassured by Ref Com and Adoption Authority on Iona red herrings.

Back out again tomorrow

Fair play to you and everyone else canvassing doing amazing work and this is great to hear, id love to as well but my blood is too high on this that i reckon id do more harm than good

gandalf · 13-05-2015 09:53PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Even if people believe what you’re saying it doesn’t give them the right to be dismissive and abusive of people who don’t agree with them or have not made a decision.

I disagree if people are masking their reason to vote by spouting obvious lies then they deserve all the ridicule that can be aimed at them.

I'd respect no voters more if they just said "It's against my religion" than all this "protect the kids" fudge or it will destroy the institution of marriage (divorce was already supposed to have done this!).

drunkmonkey · 13-05-2015 09:55PM

Had the no canvassers this evening, were one of the last places in town and they'd only 2 people in favour of a yes in the day, asked how it was going they said its 90% for the no, most towns they've been were mostly no and they can't understand the polls, there was one town they went to and they got abused, doors slammed in their faces they whole town was mainly yes.
I'd say the country/city divide is huge on this from talking to him.

frostyjacks · 13-05-2015 09:56PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Was out canvassing, feedback was mostly positive.
Made my day.
I fell like I'm part of something big, something that can change history.

Change history? What are you, some kind of time traveller?

Foxtrol · 13-05-2015 09:57PM

looking_around wrote: »

Sooo,
let me get this straight.
The already inequal laws, is reason against equality?

Makes sense :rolleyes:

So for the 3rd time in a page someone has given me a sarcastic/dismissive comment and I’m not even campaigning for a No vote.

My point is that people aren’t equal and it’s perfectly understandable that some people want to discuss/debate the implications of giving legal equality to people.

I’m sure there would be plenty of people who would want to discuss the societal effects of a referendum that would give equal treatment to men in the case of family breakup. Would these people be as bad to want the debate this issue about equality?

VinLieger · 13-05-2015 09:58PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Had the no canvassers this evening, were one of the last places in town and they'd only 2 people in favour of a yes in the day, asked how it was going they said its 90% for the no, most towns they've been were mostly no and they can't understand the polls, there was one town they went to and they got abused, doors slammed in their faces they whole town was mainly yes.
I'd say the country/city divide is huge on this from talking to him.

No matter the overall the result the breakdown in the results is going to be VERY interesting. Will be very useful in deciding where i holiday in ireland for the forseeable future

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