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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #1892
    Vivisectus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Vivisectus


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Was not trying to be "smart".

    It is cheap and ridiculous to compare the black struggle with gay marriage. And, I wouldn't be too confident that the Black Civil Rights groups would be too crazy to be linked with this issue. When that comparison springs up, there are only so many ways that can be responded to

    Whatever religion he was, he was a Minister ; trying to be pedantic I see.

    Ah well, the Gay Community, not content with hijacking marriage, they want to link themselves with the Civil Rights Movement; what next? Holocaust ?

    I am having difficulty parsing that last sentence. Is it a badly failed attempt at humor, or are you genuinely ignorant of the fact gays got sent to the concentration camps just like the Jews?


  • #1893
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Nodin wrote: »
    Martin Luther
    http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://cp91279.biography.com/1000509261001/1000509261001_2163219489001_History-Martin-Luther-Sparks-a-Revolution-SF-HD-768x432-16x9.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.biography.com/people/martin-luther-9389283&h=432&w=768&tbnid=ki6sxpcy_oRWXM:&zoom=1&tbnh=112&tbnw=199&usg=__WAmebwyyyJs-zIXGQozASOePzTU=&docid=dQ4Pu3DC68zguM&itg=1

    Martin Luther King
    http://cp91279.biography.com/1000509261001/1000509261001_1094056090001_Bio-Need-to-Know-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-SF.jpg

    I always wondered why African Americans idolised an old white guy from Europe. It all makes sense now.


  • #1894
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Was not trying to be "smart".

    It is cheap and ridiculous to compare the black struggle with gay marriage. And, I wouldn't be too confident that the Black Civil Rights groups would be too crazy to be linked with this issue. When that comparison springs up, there are only so many ways that can be responded to

    Whatever religion he was, he was a Minister ; trying to be pedantic I see.

    For God's sake man educate yourself

    http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/naacp-passes-resolution-in-support-of-marriage-equality

    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Ah well, the Gay Community, not content with hijacking marriage, they want to link themselves with the Civil Rights Movement; what next? Holocaust ?

    That is an incredibly disgusting, foul thing to say. The LGBT community, in particular gay men were rounded up and forced into concentration camps. They had their own special badge and thousands upon thousands died. Whatsmore they were the only group who were reimprisoned following the liberation of the camps. You really ought to apologise for that remark because otherwise you doing little more than holocaust denialism.


  • #1895
    MakeEmLaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Just wondering, have any celebrities come out on the 'No' side?

    On the 'Yes' side we've had Chris O'Dowd, Colin Farrell, Hozier, Brian O'Driscoll et al.

    Have any celebrities (bar that Tipperary hurler) encouraged people to vote 'No'?
    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Because, we all know, that if he did, as one might suggest (ala Pat Kenny would say), he could wave good bye to any endorsements or money making adventures (outside his own labour) again.

    Sorry. If who did?


  • #1896
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Nodin wrote: »
    Seems to be, given the paucity of the arguments on display here. Either directly, or the "thought of it" generally.

    Is either is, or it is not

    THere is no "seems" to be.

    No half way house


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  • #1897
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Sorry. If who did?

    Any Irish celebrity (not a journalist) come out and say that he was voting no

    Oh, I can see the confusion. I made a reference to a person. In no way , shape or form, was I suggesting that the said person had any stance on the matter. THe only reference to that person was a nod to a phrase he would be known to say ('as one might suggest'). I hope that confusion is crystal clear


  • #1898
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,338 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    To any-one bringing the U.S. black citizens fight for civil rights U.S. white citizens had into the fray here, google up on Bayard Rustin, a U.S. black citizen and major figure in that fight. He gave up what should have been his rights to enable MLK and others win the U.S. black civil rights fight.


  • #1899
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh... you make me laugh.

    :D

    Fantastic .

    But, seriously, let go, your fingers nails will break.


  • #1900
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    aloyisious wrote: »
    To any-one bringing the U.S. black citizens fight for civil rights U.S. white citizens had into the fray here, google up on Bayard Rustin, a U.S. black citizen and major figure in that fight. He gave up what should have been his rights to enable MLK and others win the U.S. black civil rights fight.

    What a guy:
    Bayard Rustin wrote:
    Today, blacks are no longer the litmus paper or the barometer of social change. Blacks are in every segment of society and there are laws that help to protect them from racial discrimination. The new "****" are gays.... It is in this sense that gay people are the new barometer for social change.... The question of social change should be framed with the most vulnerable group in mind: gay people.


  • #1901
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Vivisectus wrote: »
    I am having difficulty parsing that last sentence. Is it a badly failed attempt at humor, or are you genuinely ignorant of the fact gays got sent to the concentration camps just like the Jews?

    A LOT of people got sent to the gas chambers. Jews, Cripples, Gypsies, Gays..........

    Just, you would swear that Jews have patented that term, exclusively, for themselves


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  • #1902
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    You think Martin Luther King was a liberal. Okay, bless your little heart :D A Typicaly "god fearing" dude, like many a man and woman of that period.......

    The sneering, is not towards King or his wife. It's towards people like ye, trying to high jack a group from the 1960's over issues utterly different to the current one, to suit yer agenda ....

    Luther King was born a Baptist and was a Baptist pastor, by the way.While I loathe to use wikiepdia, I thought that was a common fact. Obviously not

    http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=477
    http://archive.desertsun.com/VideoNetwork/1663710721001/Martin-Luther-King-Jr-would-not-have-supported-gay-marriage-niece-says

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr.
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/318311/Martin-Luther-King-Jr



    A shur, who knows ?

    Golly gosh - you live in a special place where you hear voices that tell you things like Bannasidhe said Martin Luther King Jr was a liberal when the record shows all Bannasidhe said was that Martin Luther King Jr was not the same person as Martin Luther.

    That's it. Martin Luther and Martin Luther King Jr were two different people.


    You said King was a 'playa' not me.

    I don't actually care if he was or wasn't.

    You linked to wikipedia to show that King's niece said he wouldn't support SSM having just a few minutes ago responded with some nonsense 'bout ain't no man allow no wooman a speak for him yo'* when you were shown footage of Dr King's wife speaking in favour... WOW... that is some cognitive dissonance...

    You really really hate getting caught with your knowledge pants down don't you.

    :D

    I have to go walk the dogs now but carry on contradicting yourself and getting things wrong. I do enjoy watching the J.R. ooops I've dug a hole and I can't get out so I will keep digging show.








    *Shaft!


  • #1903
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    And it astounds me when I come in here and see 'I don't like the way the yes side are behaving, I was going to vote yes but now I'm voting no'. Are these people on the Iona payroll?

    Tom Monaghan has deep pockets, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the financial muscle behind the No side.


  • #1904
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Just, you would swear that Jews have patented that term, exclusively, for themselves

    Oh my christ on a bike, have you no shame?


  • #1905
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,338 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Whaa?

    The Reformation of (Protestant) Religion in Europe, circa 1517 AD...

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FProtestant_Reformation&ei=KEVSVcqvPJPX7AbdlIHwDg&usg=AFQjCNGy45FXuwARQPSlA6KBD5u5oGOLtA&sig2=XoI3dg3mkOYEVDZBVlvx7w


  • #1906
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Fantastic .

    But, seriously, let go, your fingers nails will break.

    Ach dinna fret. I'm a Dyke sweetie.

    Keep my fingernails short.

    Safe sex is sooooooo important.


  • #1907
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,338 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    A LOT of people got sent to the gas chambers. Jews, Cripples, Gypsies, Gays..........

    Just, you would swear that Jews have patented that term, exclusively, for themselves

    Would you like to get out of the hole and take a breather before continuing using the shovel?


  • #1908
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    A LOT of people got sent to the gas chambers. Jews, Cripples, Gypsies, Gays..........

    Just, you would swear that Jews have patented that term, exclusively, for themselves

    For shame for shame for shame.

    It makes me cringe to think we are countrymen.


  • #1909
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Shrap wrote: »
    Oh my christ on a bike, have you no shame?

    More to the point has he a visa for what ever country the hole he is digging lands him in.


    Is it wrong that I am really enjoying this. Nah... no Catholic guilt here. :P


  • #1910
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Golly gosh - you live in a special place where you hear voices that tell you things like Bannasidhe said Martin Luther King Jr was a liberal when the record shows all Bannasidhe said was that Martin Luther King Jr was not the same person as Martin Luther.

    That's it. Martin Luther and Martin Luther King Jr were two different people.


    You said King was a 'playa' not me.

    I don't actually care if he was or wasn't.

    You linked to wikipedia to show that King's niece said he wouldn't support SSM having just a few minutes ago responded with some nonsense 'bout ain't no man allow no wooman a speak for him yo'* when you were shown footage of Dr King's wife speaking in favour... WOW... that is some cognitive dissonance...

    You really really hate getting caught with your knowledge pants down don't you.

    :D

    I have to go walk the dogs now but carry on contradicting yourself and getting things wrong. I do enjoy watching the J.R. ooops I've dug a hole and I can't get out so I will keep digging show.








    *Shaft!

    Bannasidhe , being the typical kind of poster she/he is when they have little to say, was under no illusion as to who I was talking about, at all times. Martin Luther King was a womanizer, a trait that was normal in those days.

    "King was a playa"

    Eh, yes, and we both know who I was talking about. Cease pretending to be confused as to who we were talking about.

    The record also shows that he / she tried to link MLK to the gay rights movement. Play dumb.

    The wikiepedia link was mostly about his life ie he was a baptist , which , tried to correct me on. There was another link from a news report dealing with the views of the niece.

    Again, yep, I doubt he would let any woman speak for him

    But, sure, since you were dragging other family members into the fray, I thought, why not. ? If you are doing it, it's fair game. Now, instead of acknowledging that it's not a good idea to be using other people (as one poster did with the youtube video) in order to make a point and imply the connection with the two movements, you now start crying about being served with an opinion from another family member

    "You really really hate getting caught with your knowledge pants down don't you. "


    Eh, you are going to have to run that pass me again. There is a big difference between fact and revisionism. Don't worry , everything has been recorded


  • #1911
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Have a horrible feeling in my gut that the NO vote will win. Can see a lot of people coming out with their true opinion from general conversations. Even people like myself in their thirties with every reason to vote YES coming out with the usual weak arguments.


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  • #1912
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Lt J.R. Bell apologise for your holocaust denialism. At the very least have that basic decency.


  • #1913
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    MOD: Oh for the love of god, could the lot of you cop on? There's enough stupidity in the world without drowning everyone in this thread with pedantry and petty swipes to give yourself an unwarranted sense of smugness. The thread is about the SSM referendum. Not feigned shock over deliberately misinterpreted posts.


  • #1914
    SummerSummit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭SummerSummit


    What's with all the deleted posts?


  • #1915
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »
    We're discussing (or at least one of us is) the obvious fact that the wording in the section setting out the presumption of paternity needs to change to accommodate SSM, as it assumes the existence of a husband in every marriage and incoherently refers to applying a balance of probabilities test where paternity is contested.

    On the contrary: the law states when a husband is to be presumed the father.

    In a same sex marriage, following the letter of this law as written today, the answer will always be "never" (apart from the one corner case I mentioned earlier).

    There is no issue with the balance of probabilities standard, as is it is way, way lower than what we've got. Nobody ever lost a case based on the balance of probabilities, like a libel case, because the case was too certain for the balance of probabilities standard.

    But this is all beside the point, since we all can see you are a Yes voter arguing for the sake of it.


  • #1916
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    SummerSummit wrote: »
    What's with all the deleted posts?

    MOD: I'm deleting them in the hope that people will actually read my mod warning before I have to start banning you all.


  • #1917
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Would you like to get out of the hole and take a breather before continuing using the shovel?

    What hole will that be,Aloyisious?

    Perhaps when you stop intentionally misinterpreting what was said and actually deal with what was said , perhaps you wouldn't be hitting yourself with the handle?


  • #1918
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »
    I'll give a straight yes or no, and a brief explanation of why.

    Both of your fake questions are constructed so that you can answer "No because irrelevant waffle I put into the question which has nothing to do with the referendum question".

    How about answering the question you will be asked on the day - Yes or No?

    My answer to that one is Yes.


  • #1919
    SummerSummit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭SummerSummit


    cursai wrote: »
    Have a horrible feeling in my gut that the NO vote will win. Can see a lot of people coming out with their true opinion from general conversations. Even people like myself in their thirties with every reason to vote YES coming out with the usual weak arguments.

    It will probably pass by a very slim margin. Very slim.


  • #1920
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Lt J.R. Bell apologise for your holocaust denialism. At the very least have that basic decency.

    I accept that the Moderator is deleting posts.

    But, Let this be posted.

    I made no denial of the holocaust or any group who was a victim during that period. As there was no denial, there is no apology forthcoming , as there is no need for one.

    I suggest to read what is actually stated, rather than make defamatory remarks.


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  • #1921
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    ....Aaand, I'm out. FFS.


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