Cork GAA Discussion Thread

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Draw a fair result. Most enjoyable. Replay Saturday week.

I'd have to agree on both counts. Very enjoyable game. The hooter system has a fierce element of excitement in a tight game like that too.

Sounds like a right battle tonight between the Haven and Clyda .....Carey and Hurley more so TTM were you at it ? To be fair most of the first round games have been very good ...i think we are in for a cracking county senior football championship ...that can only be a good thing .

Cork 2-7 Dublin 1-15 result from Cill na Martra. 1-2 for Cork in 2nd half

Pauric Mahony undoubtedly a huge loss to Waterford but possibly more for his free taking than anything else. He's a fantastic player and I'm not doubting his contribution from general play but suggesting perhaps that given the system Waterford play the whole is greater that the sum of the parts. That team ethic and willingness to sacrifice elements of individual play for the betterment of the team tends to lessen (but not nullify) the importance of any one individual. For that reason his loss may not be that detrimental to Waterford's championship progress this year.

On a separate but related note, a great piece from Enda McEvoy on Saturday. Bang on the money in my view and most reasonably minded Cork and Waterford supporters would agree with him I'd say:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/the-time-to-write-off-cork-is-never-329601.html

Cork will play Kerry in the Electric Ireland 2015 Munster GAA Football Minor Championship Semi-Final next Wednesday 13th May in Austin Stack Park Tralee.

Fixture: Cork v Kerry

Venue: Austin Stack Park, Tralee

Date: Wednesday 13th May at 7:30pm

Referee: Sean Lonergan (Tipperary)

The Cork Minor Football team lines out as follows:

Mark White (Clonakilty)
Kevin Dwyer (Macroom)
Tiarnan O’Connell (Clonakilty)
Sean Powter (Douglas) Capt.
Tom Bushe (Ilen Rovers)
Ronan Walsh (Castlehaven)
Seamus Madigan (Buttevant)
Eoin O’Brien (Douglas)
Daniel O’Duinnin (Cill na Matra)
David Lowney (Clonakilty)
Shane Kingston (Douglas)
Sean McEvoy (Clonakilty)
Stephen Leonard (Ilen Rovers)
Gary Murphy (Castletownbere)
Stephen Sherlock (St. Finbarrs)
Subs:

Chris Kelly (Éire Óg)
Cathal O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
Nathan Walsh (Douglas)
Conor Hughes (Canovee)
Conor Dennehy (St. Finbarrs)
Evan Ryle (Carrigaline)
Shane O’Neill (Killdorrey)
Eoghan McSweeney (Knocknagree)
Edward Leahy (Aghada)
Selectors: Donal O’Sullivan (Castletownbere) - Manager, Andrew McCarthy (Inniscarra), Tom Dorgan (Ballincollig), Paul Holland (Arigdeen Rangers), Mick Comyns (St. Finbarrs).

Medical Officer: Dr. Fiachra Ó Deasúnaigh (Bishopstown). Physiotherapist: Niamh O’Sullivan (Castletownbere).

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Any news regards harnedy injury
If he's out I'd be hugely worried for cork

heard dey will both struggle

working with declan o sulivan but esp Cadogan has bad hamstring damage

A long list of things to discuss so it is better to put it all in one post.
Cork double I agree it's sad to see no huge football crowd turned up at the open day and I don't feel sorry for the board in the slightest or any of the management team, or some just some of the cork media who paper over cracks with this shambles of a set up that is talking cork football to new level of despair

In fairness what's did people expect after the Dublin game???
Die hard football fans are sick absolutely sick of the woeful humiliating defeats and yes actually feel imo for the players totally however have no faith in current management, my view is that fans are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Players deserve support as they feel imo this more any fans despair , working in a set up you know is imo a joke
However such as been the pr spin by some, cuthbert interviews where any slight postive is he's crumb of comfort he uses to deflate pressure from him if huge crowds supported the football team, he would imo have no doubt say see the huge crowd tonight,they belive In my team, the process i know it's takes time and we are on a long road and have a bit to go but I think everyone is buying in it and use it get new term.
Cuthbert is good at communication to the media as he talks the talk

This, sean mac here posted after the Dublin defeat was going to happen as football have no support and Sean is right we think this is bad, wait for killarney, there will be very few there unfortunately and at best I'd say a small few if it's a dry evening at the clare or limerick game in cork

You see when supporters stop going to games and pr evenings any logical board like in the soccer would say we got to change fast or we will loose revenue from our games.

Cork ccb imo are a law to themselves as the past strikes proved imo however due to the huge cost of the pairc and cusack called the centre mediocrity with government likely not give a full grant they need huge revenues, so the if cork revenues drop it could imo be cork saving grace as it may just may mean cuthbert doesn't get a new term.

Some use hurling as a feel sympathy vote for the footballers and a of lot hurling fans imo I talk to are in disagreement how there has been said their is not much criticism in the hurling, when they have actually been such critsom of the team and jbm and of course. Some like to use it as like a way to,the say poor old mouth of our footballers get unfair critsom, it's wrong when they fail to see for all the critsom jbm deserves, he only in one game three years ago v tippeary got a humiliation defeat so yes also there was the league final three years ago, but he'd a fine championship pushing Galway and tipp all the way and beating waterford that year

He has to be fair beaten kk and took over the hurling team in a dreadful state with a panel of no all Ireland winners bar Nash at underage or senior level.

Football in complete contrast has had numerous under twenty one success and senior all Ireland success only five years, but compared to the hurling nine years since our last senior glory and college success has been achieved in football so there is no excuse for the absolute shambles of performance since cuthbert took over consistently in cork struggled to beat tipp, mayo destroyed us until they took foot of the gas as said by Ed Coughlan , kerry and Dublin twice destroyed cork and again I say no one imo can prove conclusively with out any shadow of a doubt how cork have improved since management took over where our hurling is not where it should be but at the very least five aeras of the team improved and many players improved also also under jbm

Also jbm has had honesty within where he admitted he was totally wrong v tipp.
Seriously how do you expect fans to go again to support cork in huge numbers when cuthbert said he wouldn't apologise to the fans after kerry but had the the audicy to say well we will let fans do what want if they don't support us fair enough well go along our own anyway where he like every imo interview he gives he completely changed tact in, he said day in one to be fair how he'd bring the cork fans back to football

Imo jbm no ego in management so he has faults yes but it's easy to have affection in he's management when cuthbert management imo have egos in a foootball sense as they blame everything bar saying single wise, were to blame,but just everything else.
The best you get is yes we made mistakes as players and management.

There is a view around at present cork fans are to blame for the difference attuide towards hurling and football defeats at present which I don't think is correct.

In fairness some national media imo are to blame in for a complete change of mindset when it suits in jbm ist year they were first to laud him with praise, for ages never went on bout the problem at full back and still to this day belive Mcdonnell can do a job yet now the footballers get critsed, they use the hurling as an excuse to divert focus, ah all the football gets blame,the poor old football sob story when in fairness not once have they asked on the field of play serious questions regards management or the complete lack of any to be fair experience with the three the lads in the management, so I think it inevitably when geuine hard core cork fans who are no fools see the disaster it's in a failure to acknowledge the despair where in it it's course going to be hesitating to be supporting the football as also the football have no excuse for the league final loss loss in game over after twelve minutes, well imo I said the game was over the minute I saw the team named the Thursday night where in the hurling at least we're in the game to half time and there is reasonable points to say hurling had sole focus on June where the football had no such excuse and considering the players belive in jbm as hes over all record is good, how many footballers belive in cuthbert, I truly wonder.
Tom Ryan who was hardly an elite top manager tore jbm apart this weekend yet no one critsed football management. He critsed jbm many before.
Ryan was an awful manager where he managed they're was never short a drama and of course tom Ryan was never wrong. The same fella lost two all Ireland finals as a manager.
It's strange to be honest.

There also has been nothing but copy cat extreme reactions to any defeat by the football in after Dublin winning the all Ireland,then last year we went attacking in the league, soon the defeat came to kerry.
Then it was following kerry style to have a defensive style in place.

The failure of this management to implement any system effective or coherent imo meant it failed, so now it's let's do a power play, pack the middle third style with strong brute force where kerry and Dublin actually have a combination of attack, defence and power play in one
Cork are a one trick pony under management and a pony that promises so much but never develops.

Cork management are incapable as results proved of devising any effective systems without sabotaging other aeras of the team in rob the rich to give to the poor

The interviews management are imo are poor , where you can listen and appreciate to point with jbm imo cuthbert in football talks nonsense as none of he's ideas actually have been born in this cork football team and if someone thinks I'm harsh please name one player that cuthbert improved and one benefit this team has since he took over
I guarantee you have to think very hard in both cases.


Cork always sadly have been the poor mouth in football but rather than cry and moan which was some do, the best way to gain respect is to develop a culture where you demand and earn respect and that imo only can be done by great management.

Football imo at senior I would hugely worry for and for those that critse the fans imo it is another lazy excuse blame to all bar the real things, when to say look the management are great cork football fans, passionate etc but can't actually manage so we need new management and even though it wouldn't be huge support like the hurling, imagine john clearly ned English involved they would bring huge haven support to games and also north cork and duhallow would bring huge support as those clubs fans belive in them

It's hard get support in the current management when imo they drain belief in all they do is false dawns.

All this talk regards die with your boots on attuide cork footballers should have had v Dublin imo could never happened under current management as imo their is no calmness within, management selection policy is panic and desperation from day one , and man Management skills of cork manager is hardly great based on results

Meath were a great great really great football team under Sean Boylan.
They had dog within, the hunger the toughness the will to win and the ruthless purist of glory means cork may hated them in battle but many fans and players had huge respect for them on the field of play for coming from a legacy of failure to completely change the mindset for meath football in winning four all Ireland final under boylan.
Liam Hayes one gave an interview praising boylan and said meath team had four real leaders plus boylan off the ptich.

Interesting Hayes an outstanding player and yes many cork fans felt he never had given counihan team praise when he won the all Ireland but Hayes to be fair everything he said regards cork then imo we're valid points as time proved.

Here he spoke about the four fathers of meath, that the character of the team was built on and how sean worked in tandem and harness with that to form imo a unique umbilical cord unbreakable in that great meath team

Cork imo who could be our four fathers player wise??
Shields with out a doubt imo could be one. He is tough from the inside out.

Cadogan is very tough and a leader but moved from pillar to post doesn't help him as you rock hes confidence so how can someone lacking confidence inspire others

Donnacha is a leader of all men, gone from the shy lad who sat in he's car outside training questing could he survive in senior football to become a real dogged warrior,with resolve and balls I mean balls, balls of steel and when the need is greatest doc stands up.
However you can't lead when you warm your ass on the bench v Waterford mayo last year.

Colm o Neill fought back from three Cruciate injury and always stood up in big games, both under twenty winning teams finals, in particular the late goal v Laois, kerry all Ireland senior final in 09 one goal and one ten minutes in but then then starved of ball.

When he played against Donegal in 2012 he was outstanding
Huge impact as a sub v down the in all Ireland final when he should have started.
He Was also brilliant in the semi v Dublin and won the penalty that brought cork back in to the game.

Cork have four fathers imo within,a of lot other disciples in the making but cork lacks a god father of ruthless execution of hunger, will, want desire, someone to make hard calls like the great great really really great manager like cody, Jack o Connor,mick o dwyer, Jim gavin sean boylan of this world to manage this cork team.

Gavin and Fitzmauirce will become great, a new hunger and a ruthless evolution imo of them has begun
Paddy kelly if fit would be real leader if he played for cork.

Stephen dounoughe should get games for cork imo, I see a lot old of meath football dogged instincts in him in he has dog, balls I mean ball of steel, hunger,No nonsense taken, gives good as he gets, never deflated and should should be played in a blanket where he's lack of lack raw pace wouldn't be exposed
He's display v Donaghey in league would rate as meaningless as good as it was however the display v Austin stacks in kerry was imo prove he could mix it with the best and he is a very aggressive cork footballer imo.
When the need is greatest you have to have a warrior I mean real warrior you could be happy to go to war with in your team.

Surrounded by such warriors can be only good for cork football imo but you can't have warrior imo in a mal function management that go against the grains and ethos of die boots field mentally and cohesion and spirt when pressure is really on and the need is greatest to perform consistently their teams crumble under pressure.






As regards Davis, sexton, sullivan, in this management set ups it's not logical when they would not get with in hundred miles of a senior elite top four inter county team as NONE OF THESE YES GREAT PLAYERS but most never coached club or even underage and some have no success at all so as I said from day one, cuthbert always found it hard to learn when he no one to guide him and how could the novice selectors develop from cuthbert with no real proven success who struggled himself so in purely a football sense its the blind lind leads the blind where kerryand of development Fitzmauirce under the great jack and then had cian o Neill who is brilliant in who not justas a trainer but actually well proven skills coach in hurling at newton, mayo and tipperary

A great game of football in the ladies, great to watch it on tv and like I said this year and in Xmas, Galway would be a real threat to cork and on the two minor all Ireland success of recent years means they belive they can do it and a draw was a fair result and Galways draw combined with the one point loss in cork in the league means they imo will have a chance to beat cork in this or next yearall, all Ireland but cork football is so honest imo with Ryan and will be reinvented again.

If cork loose it won't be long off winning the all Ireland again.

In a way I'm glad Galway drew as they have lovely footballers and it's good to have a real real challenge to cork not like imo Dublin and kerry who were I said last year having a mental football baggage issue to cork when cork had always their number in games so Galway drawing the game will force cork to reinvent themselves and rise to the challenge and not become stale but a team like Galway playing cork in the all Ireland final would be of huge profile to both counties and considering cork beat Galway to win the ist all Ireland it be a huge link to the past

Cork ladies have given another remarkable come back and always die with the boots on in they have a manager in Ryan with no ego who admits he make mistakes so all he's panel players buys in to it and in cork senior football imo we have the complete opposite

Cork to beat Dublin in the challenge match mainly as Dublin have no interest yet imo the root and branch review will be mentioned as it was good etc, the process the process was a learning curve, when looking at the panel nothing has been or will be learned from the humiliation defeat on the field of play to Dublin in the league final imo I said all week, i was right bar Dublin actually beat us.



Dublin had kilkenny and brogan playing but no way was was this the full strength Dublin team of two weeks ago yet even though Dublin didn't look too interested the fact they travelled so long down to cork and beat them shows how bad things are.
Hodnett was good, cronin,deane Kerrigan also played well but cork under this management only ever play as individuals, they never resemble a true team imo.
This blanket defence again conceded one fifteen in wet conditions whichever shows how awful it is.
In our last ten games we conceded 9-145 approximately , in a blanket defence that's absolutely horrendous defending, conceding an average of 17 points per game.We will probably hear management say cork learned a lot from the league final and closed the gap and the root and branch review was enlightening based on today's and the weather affected cork performanc they said after wards
The weather didnt affect Dublins performance??!with a weaker team together cork




This game further proved we are actually rock bottom, and I hope someone finally question this set up. To say we are going no where would be wrong, when this team is actually unfortunately going into huge huge decline.

The conditions we're wet and a heavy ground in a tighter ptich compared to croke park , corks porous defence structure was never going to be exposed today's to the extent if a dry day but don't be fooled as it was still poor at times.

Like I predicted, Alan o Connor , had a fine game , this warrior loved these conditions and used he's power and force well.
Wait for the post match talk to go in to over drive though,cork have solved midfield.
Imo he will be exposed for a lack of mobility and pace in killarney against kerry or if cork play in croke park especially in a warm day.

The game showed cork have not improved at all but usually they win these mickey mouse matches but loosing this game shows how corks confidence Is at an all time low.

Colm o driscoll had a fine game like I thought he would but again this is he's comfort zone and any ruthless assessment would see he actually again failed to create anything by kickpassing, it's more of hand passing and running like rugby to create scores.
He went off injured.
I wish any player the best in the road to recovery from injury and like wise to colm however if he's out cork well be forced to change their hand with more creative half forwards.
O she's was named to start but didn't.

john's Hayes had he's moments, but wet conditions proved he's doesnt show for the ball like he should and even blazed wide from very close in when it was easier to score.

Deane looked good having just come back from injury and showed impressive ball winning and mobility in the game.
Cork done what they done last year in games, go long spells with out scoring.
This year cork took sixty minutes too score v Waterford from play, went a full half without scoring from play v tipp,then v dunlin barely scored in the ist half and yet again in this game they scored just two points in the second half again with a soft goal we scored.
Dorman was good at half back when he dropped back but he's so attack minded you need some one defensive with him.
He played a part at centre forward and is now one imo

Barry o driscoll was poor imo but not he's fault as he never was a half back.
How long will it take this management to realise this????
This management philosophy is around a mobility middle eight which I agree with but they implement it then going over board by playing a number of players out of positions which has been a remarkable unbelievable constant trait under this management.

Goulding was good but starting himself ahead of hurley or colm in June won't improve cork as a team in he still needs to be in an effective team.
Goulding certainly wouldn't weaken cork if he had to start but forwards was never a problem with cork the past five years.

kellher was good but this was an weak Dublin full back as he's opponent but wait for cork to perist with this expirement.
The post match interview was typically consistent with the past imo in cuthbert was way with his assement.

We learned, we defended well but the windy conditions made it hard for us to judge the flight of the ball he said.after the game.

Honesty, what game was he watching.
How come Dublin second team defended better and conditions that the dog on the street know it's easier to defend in as attacking teams have no pace or rarely space afforded yet cork conceding one goal and fifteen and lucky not to have conceded a second goal.
Yet he thinks cork defended well.
Unbelievable the failure again to see the porous defence we have.

Today's interview is a typical example of all that's wrong with this management when it thinks certain aspects of Corks performance are good when it's clear as day the defence was quite poor yesterday despite a core group of regulars playing.




This is just my opinion and it's nothing personal on the players or management in their totally being judged on the field of play like kerry, kilkenny would do.
This view may seem harsh and blunt but you must be realistic and I like Brian o driscoll who said on captains live this week when he had to say leinster would loose to toulon and had critse he's friend and team mate Ian madigan he got no joy but he had to do it, and I get no joy but sadness being harsh with any cork team but there is no point in posters, or pundits or media in sport if you have to go with popular views and can't on field play ask valid questions and critse where necessary.
You can't become imo like itv pundits in soccer where nothing negative regards England or roy Hodgson is really said and when you see Ian wright last summer saying when asking Roy a question, calling him gaffer it showed he's affection and emotions imo towards him cloud he's judgment on him despite Hodgson big games failures could never make him a top top pundit when he wont like the great player Andy townsend also be ruthless when criticism of he's own teams are badly needed.


Cork double, in response to your question the Clyda haven game was closer than the score line represent in was extremely physical match but Clyda don't have a Brian Hurley sean dinnen and hurley
Work ethic,Desire , want,Hunger the passion from both teams was the same but haven had intercounty class in three vital positions

Clyda couldn't compete with power house sean dinnen who got a goal and Collins mopping up breaks at midfield
Kissane was very good as always as Clyda player and picked as more advanced role he played deep a lot
Brilliant game he had but he's imo not cork standard now but the way cuthbert is going he'd nearly call him up however I doubt kissane would play.

Hurley got a fine goal and a few scores and made dinnen goal
He was well Marshalled in the ist half with Clyda sweeper but haven reacted by pushing more up and he's two goals in a short spell finished the game as Clyda are never a team to chase a lead.
Hurley deserved to be sent off but he was getting some punishment all game to be fair.

Collins was very good defending and attacking and linking well
Clyda are always well organised under English but always will struggle against teams like the haven who can play deeper or attack minded and Clyda don't have a top forward like hurley or Collins that any blanket team wanting to win a trophy must have, as dogged and resolute will get them so far , however you need a quality forward.
Clyda deserve credit for the way they play as they don't have the talent to play any other way.

Haven are a serious threat to Ballincollig this year and are real contenders and played wonderful football at times in counter attacking but had a good shape also.



Sean Dinnen was very good so much so Clyda tried to go short but havens high pressure on their kick outs solved that.
Cork recall Alan o Connor when dinnen imo is the best midfielder in cork at present in he has more experience than maguire.

Very few team in cork are like haven that will force Clyda to play to their weakness.
The haven had the systems and game plan to force their key players like Collins hurley and dinnen expose Clyda shortcomings.
Clyda struggle also depth wise and it's not their fault with such small numbers and Chris Buckley and oliver hanlon who is out with a cruciate are huge losses to them.

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

We give out a lot here about the footballers ...a number of the lads that played hard club championship games on Saturday and then lined out against Dublin yesterday ....its worth to mention that these fellas are 100% in there determination to the red gansey .....best of luck to the Minors on wednesday night ....looks a good team ...no room in the subs for the likes of Ryan Fowley , Conor Cahalane or the Nemo lad everybody talks about Ogneibne that spelling is wrong sorry.

Nobody can ever dispute commitment and passion management even or players

Never the questions
The questing are which are perfectly valid imp is judging some players performance and management bar possibly two as not up to the level required the same way man United judge kk and kerry etc

Watch united next year van gal got fourth so he got and rightly so time
However if he doesn't win the league next year he's under real pressure in the job
Cork must judge on results and learn it's a results business at seniors level

Another strange call was paddy o shea who was picked to start didn't then
No I'm not a fan in o shea starting as price imp much better but why pick a guy to start and then give him no game time when he has little game time all league and if halloran is injured our goal keeping position becomes a huge huge disaster in were starting a guy brought back who no games and imo actually hugely unfair ask on o shea


Anyone know why shea didn't start
Was he injured?!!??!?
Fair enough if so but then call up another keeper imo

zetecescort wrote: »

wasn't at the game but I heard O'Shea was togged out alright, presumably picked up something in the warmup

Thanks

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Thanks for that TTM ...For the minors you mention Adam Finnegan what club is he ? do you think Ryan Fowley , Conor Cahalane and Ogbene of Nemo should be involved ?? I think Fowley is underage next year again....Tim O Mahony is a huge loss too of course ...but what a year hes had with Rugby....but please god this Minor team will click the next night .

Absolutely all those should be particularly outstanding ogbenr played Nemo under twenty one past two years direct forceful strong runner who has some engine who covers every blade of grass

To be fair management not their fault with cahalane as he opted for hurling and they tried their best to be fair
Hopefully we win but jack is a great great manager

Ogbene and Harrington are playing soccer.