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Satisfied with your wheel upgrade?

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  • #32
    Craig06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭Craig06


    I have a set of wheelsmith.co.uk carbon aero tubs. Amazing wheels and super light. Get in contact with him and he'll build wheels up to your own spec and budget. Better bang for buck than off the shelf wheels.


  • #33
    darkvalley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭darkvalley


    I upgraded stock wheels to zondas. Was disappointed that I did not notice any difference. That is until a few months later, while out cycling with my brother. We are both the same size and weight, him on a carrera tdf with stock wheels and me on peleton race with the zondas. On down hill stretches where we were both freewheeling I would pull away from him by a large margin. I am assuming that the difference was in the hubs of the zondas. So while the difference is not noticeable for someone like me, it is there and presumably over a big distance that easier rolling will tell.
    I have the Zondas for 18 months now, gone through 2 winters, have hit a pothole hard with them on one occasion and they are still as good today. Look great also!


  • #34
    Dono1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Dono1975


    Hi Eamonnator I'm looking at buying a set of Scirroccos or zondas
    Do they have sealed cartridge bearings or cup and cone set up ?

    Thanks
    Dono


  • #35
    quozl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,308 ✭✭✭quozl


    darkvalley wrote: »
    On down hill stretches where we were both freewheeling I would pull away from him by a large margin. I am assuming that the difference was in the hubs of the zondas.

    I'd say it's more likely that it was air resistance. You wouldn't both have had exactly the same position or frontal area. Bearings are a tiny resistance compared to aero drag, especially at high speeds (like descending).


  • #36
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Dono1975 wrote: »
    Hi Eamonnator I'm looking at buying a set of Scirroccos or zondas
    Do they have sealed cartridge bearings or cup and cone set up ?

    Thanks
    Dono

    Zondas have cup and cone and I think sciroccos may be the same. If you look up their spec on Campags website you'll find out exactly


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  • #37
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Dono1975 wrote: »
    Hi Eamonnator I'm looking at buying a set of Scirroccos or zondas
    Do they have sealed cartridge bearings or cup and cone set up ?

    Thanks
    Dono



    http://www.fulcrumwheels.com/system/documents/files/Spares2010-ROAD-17-02-10.pdf?1312279863

    I hope, above link, gives you your required info.


  • #38
    Dono1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Dono1975


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    Zondas have cup and cone and I think sciroccos may be the same. If you look up their spec on Campags website you'll find out exactly

    Thanks for that


  • #39
    Dono1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Dono1975


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    http://www.fulcrumwheels.com/system/documents/files/Spares2010-ROAD-17-02-10.pdf?1312279863

    I hope, above link, gives you your required info.

    Thanks for that


  • #40
    darkvalley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭darkvalley


    quozl wrote: »
    I'd say it's more likely that it was air resistance. You wouldn't both have had exactly the same position or frontal area. Bearings are a tiny resistance compared to aero drag, especially at high speeds (like descending).
    Dont think aero advantage had much to do with it. At the time I would always descend on the hoods, whereas he would descend low on the drops, plus the hills were very short drumlin hills in Cavan which when taken without pedaling does not build up a very fast descent. We were bringing up the rear of the cycle that day with the broom wagon on our tail all day! One aero advantage I had was that I was wearing proper cycling kit whereas he was wearing his ordinary everyday clothes but I doubt that outweights the positions on the bikes. Still believe wheels had something to do with it.


  • #41
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Clothes flapping in the wind makes a huge difference, more so than the difference in a tucked aero position. The clothes act like sails catching air this slowing you down.


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  • #42
    harringtonp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭harringtonp


    death1234567 wrote: »
    I upgraded from Shimano R500 to Ksyriums and noticed a big jump in average speed, probably around 1.5 K/PH in average speed. Easier to roll along with the Ksyriums and less effort to maintain a higher speed.

    Yes was just going to say I particularly notice the difference when winter comes and I downgrade to the R500 from a good set of wheels.


  • #43
    harringtonp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭harringtonp


    Sort of related, short thread on wheel/tyre/tube combination weight

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=93875772


  • #44
    quozl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,308 ✭✭✭quozl


    darkvalley wrote: »
    Dont think aero advantage had much to do with it.

    Even at 40kph, which surely you hit going down-hill even on those small hills, air resistance is going to be around 90% of the force slowing you down. One wheel having reduced aerodynamic drag might make a tiny difference but not compared to the two un-aerodynamic blokes being pushed through the air above them.

    http://mccraw.co.uk/wind-resistance-cycling-speed/
    or
    http://bikecalculator.com/what.html

    I doubt the difference in resistance between the bearings in the two pairs of wheels involved in your comparison was 1% of the total drag on either rider.

    There's a reason that you can set a wheel spinning for a minute in a bike stand with one shove of your arm - the drag from the bearings is miniscule.


  • #45
    rtmie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭rtmie


    Got my new Zondas a couple of days ago and have done a deep lying scientific analysis, detailed findings below:
    • Black zondas look exactly 21.7% cooler than stock wheels they replaced
    • Overall combination of black zondas with black bike frame contributes to a startling 26.2% improvement in overall bike appearance "niceness"
    • At 34km/h on the flat, zondas make a 32% cooler noise than stock wheels

    Oh and on the one short spin strava segments were about the same as usual for that stretch.

    More to follow when I get out for a decent spin.
    :D
    Dr._bunsen_honeydew.jpg


  • #46
    outfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭outfox


    Excellent research indeed! Definitive and conclusive.
    How can I subscribe to your newsletter?


  • #47
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    Wow, amazingly informative thread. Have been pondering about a set of wheels for the Raid Pyrenean now for a while. Had the zondas on the top of my list but the Dura Aces are looking tempting. The only issue with them is 'Shimano'. I have not a single bit of Shimano on the bike and would ideally like to keep it that way. I'm around the 77-78kg marker and plan on dropping down to 75kg for the Raid. So I'm wondering now what a good alternative would be for the Dura Ace C24 that is not Shimano? They would also be used for club racing and A3 open races as well.


  • #48
    Idleater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    So I'm wondering now what a good alternative would be for the Dura Ace C24 that is not Shimano? They would also be used for club racing and A3 open races as well.

    Do you want a cheaper alternative? You can get some pretty nice custom handbuilt wheels around the place. In some circumstances they may be cheaper. I have extralites (not cheaper) and would recommend. I have used them for the last 4 years for cycles after work on my race bike, open racing, tts and have done the raid Pyrenees and other hilly holidays with them.


  • #49
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    Idleater wrote: »
    Do you want a cheaper alternative? You can get some pretty nice custom handbuilt wheels around the place. In some circumstances they may be cheaper. I have extralites (not cheaper) and would recommend. I have used them for the last 4 years for cycles after work on my race bike, open racing, tts and have done the raid Pyrenees and other hilly holidays with them.

    Had a look at the extralites, crazy light for a clincher wheelset but unfortunately out of my price range (maybe someday). Haven't thought about custom builds much, maybe I should research that a bit more.


  • #50
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    Had a look at the extralites, crazy light for a clincher wheelset but unfortunately out of my price range (maybe someday). Haven't thought about custom builds much, maybe I should research that a bit more.

    Are you doing Raid solo/supported/group?

    @velepelton has a strava route posted up here of an alternative route which leaves out the more dangerous sections if going solo

    Edit: here you go
    http://www.strava.com/routes/105689


  • #51
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    ford2600 wrote: »
    Are you doing Raid solo/supported/group?

    @velepelton has a strava route posted up here of an alternative route which leaves out the more dangerous sections if going solo

    Edit: here you go
    http://www.strava.com/routes/105689

    Thanks, I'm doing it with a group of 20ish people and it's all fully supported, we just need to turn up with our bikes and kit on the day.


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  • #52
    outfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭outfox


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    Haven't thought about custom builds much, maybe I should research that a bit more.

    Let us know how the research goes. I'm tempted by the Dura Ace too, but might hold off for a week or two to see how you fare with the custom build research.


  • #53
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    €205 for a set of Mavic Aksium One wheelset sound good??

    I have a giant defy 2 with stock wheels.
    Standard Giant ones that are 2 years old with over 7000km on them and they aren't rolling that well anymore


  • #54
    Cyclewizard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Cyclewizard


    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    €205 for a set of Mavic Aksium One wheelset sound good??

    I have a giant defy 2 with stock wheels.
    Standard Giant ones that are 2 years old with over 7000km on them and they aren't rolling that well anymore

    thats about right price wise. wheels are ok, bit heavy i have a set on one of my bikes (a giant too) and they 'suit' the bike looks wise which may or may not be important to you. the ksyrium elites would be a better wheel but bit of a price hike


  • #55
    rtmie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭rtmie


    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    €205 for a set of Mavic Aksium One wheelset sound good??

    I have a giant defy 2 with stock wheels.
    Standard Giant ones that are 2 years old with over 7000km on them and they aren't rolling that well anymore

    IS that with tyres/tubes - Aksiums often come bundled with Aksion tyres? Wheels only €155 here postage will probably be ~€15


  • #56
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    That's just the wheels on CRC.

    No tyres or tubes.


  • #57
    D33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭D33


    Just upgraded to Zondas recently, personally have noticed the difference and at their price-point definite decent value without breaking the bank


  • #58
    outfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭outfox


    Zondas seem to be a favourite around here. Has anyone used Zondas and Dura-Ace? How do they compare?


  • #59
    marty_crane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭marty_crane


    Another +1 for the Zondas here.

    Using them with 105. Dura-Ace is but a pipe dream!


  • #60
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,090 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    outfox wrote: »
    .....Has anyone used Zondas and Dura-Ace? How do they compare?
    marty_crane wrote: »
    ....Using them with 105. Dura-Ace is but a pipe dream!
    I presume outfox is referring to Dura Ace wheels - not groupset. ;)


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  • #61
    rtmie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭rtmie


    outfox wrote: »
    Zondas seem to be a favourite around here. Has anyone used Zondas and Dura-Ace? How do they compare?

    Don't know but I guess like everything else you are into the realms of marginal gains vs cost.

    Cheapest I have seen Dura-ace is €699 from Rose, cheapest Zondas €299 from 4thebike.

    Dura ace review here gives weight as 1458g, zonda review here gives weight as 1580g.
    I know there are factors other than weight, but generally people seem to recommend build quality etc on Zondas. All you are missing is some subjective view from someone who has ridden both, but in any case you are then evaluating the difference either in spec or rider feedback against a €400 spend difference. That bit only you can do!!

    FWIW I have only had a couple of short spins 35/40k spins since upgrading my wheels, but they have given me a boost, whether that's because they are substantially better or for the psychological factor, but I don't care either way, a boost is a boost.


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