Atheism/Existence of God Debates (Part 2)

silverharp · 07-05-2015 05:47PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Yes.

I don't know if it has been investigated yet or not. All I know is that either a drone or satellite or something took a photo of some isolated mountains that nobody goes near and the object is in the shape of a boat and it's big and they think it's Noah's Ark.

if you plug your brain in you must know its just some internet spoof. now if you could find me some kangaroo bones in the middle east I would be impressed

El_Duderino 09 · 07-05-2015 05:58PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

If God did flood the place with water then he would have had to remove it before Enda Kenny taxed him for it.

Wasn't there a photograph taken of a mysterious huge object in some mountains that people have speculated to be Noah's Ark?

Several. In different locations. Best not to look into it if you want to continue believing in it.

ScumLord · 07-05-2015 06:37PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Yes.

I don't know if it has been investigated yet or not. All I know is that either a drone or satellite or something took a photo of some isolated mountains that nobody goes near and the object is in the shape of a boat and it's big and they think it's Noah's Ark.

There's nowhere in the world that's really all that inaccessible these days. Certainly nowhere in Europe. If there was the possibility of the ark being somewhere in Europe you can guarantee there would be people at the site within weeks, more likely hours. If this news was real we'd all know about it. It would be on the news, there would be archaeologists all over it, even lay archaeologists trying to show it really is the ark.

Father Ted Crilly · 07-05-2015 06:41PM

ScumLord wrote: »

There's nowhere in the world that's really all that inaccessible these days. Certainly nowhere in Europe. If there was the possibility of the ark being somewhere in Europe you can guarantee there would be people at the site within weeks, more likely hours. If this news was real we'd all know about it. It would be on the news, there would be archaeologists all over it, even lay archaeologists trying to show it really is the ark.

It's like those "faces" on Mars. Why some people must go over the top to identify something in an image is beyond me.

Father Ted Crilly · 07-05-2015 06:44PM

One of Jesus' parables predicted the internet perfectly.

Reps for Jesus!

Father Ted Crilly · 07-05-2015 10:09PM

I propose a little bet between us religious and the atheists.

The only way we can find out if God exists is by waiting until we die.
So everyone taking part in this discussion is part of the bet.
It's religion vs. no religion, afterlife vs. no afterlife.

If there is an afterlife when we die then that means we were right and you guys have to be our footstools for the rest of eternity.
If there is no afterlife then the religious people will have to be the atheist's footstools for the rest of eternity.

Does that sound completely fair?

pauldla · 08-05-2015 02:33AM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Yes.

I don't know if it has been investigated yet or not. All I know is that either a drone or satellite or something took a photo of some isolated mountains that nobody goes near and the object is in the shape of a boat and it's big and they think it's Noah's Ark.

So, physical proof of a religious story that is featured in three of the main world religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) has been found? 'They' are certainly dragging their heels on making it known to the general public, are they not? After all, if a 'Jesus on a grilled cheese sandwich in Arizona' story can circle the world in seconds, why not the discovery of the Ark of Noah? Perhaps if you could provide a link to the story?

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2015 06:37AM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I propose a little bet between us religious and the atheists.

The only way we can find out if God exists is by waiting until we die.
So everyone taking part in this discussion is part of the bet.
It's religion vs. no religion, afterlife vs. no afterlife.

Does that sound completely fair?

Never heard of Pascal's Wager then?

Father Ted Crilly · 08-05-2015 09:28PM

I have come to an interesting conclusion. Atheism is a disorder caused by technology. I don't want to offend anyone.

An independent studied carried out by yours truly (me) points to the conclusion that technology (e.g. Gaming consoles, PCs etc) makes people not give a damn about God existing or not. I am not of this world and this body is being occupied by me. I'll explain later. Anyway, I've been watching human progress for millions of years and recently I've noticed something. As technology takes over, people are so occupied by entertainment devices that they don't give religion and God a thought and they declare themselves atheist.

For some reason, the Third World was a huge failure. They are very poor and have almost nothing. They are more religious because their lives are not fixated on using computers, consoles, phones, etc.

You might call me a crazy lunatic but you'll see me when you cross over.

katydid · 08-05-2015 09:30PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

One of Jesus' parables predicted the internet perfectly.

Reps for Jesus!

Which one?

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2015 09:34PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I have come to an interesting conclusion. Atheism is a disorder caused by technology. I don't want to offend anyone.

An independent studied carried out by yours truly (me) points to the conclusion that technology (e.g. Gaming consoles, PCs etc) makes people not give a damn about God existing or not. I am not of this world and this body is being occupied by me. I'll explain later. Anyway, I've been watching human progress for millions of years and recently I've noticed something. As technology takes over, people are so occupied by entertainment devices that they don't give religion and God a thought and they declare themselves atheist.

For some reason, the Third World was a huge failure. They are very poor and have almost nothing. They are more religious because their lives are not fixated on using computers, consoles, phones, etc.

You might call me a crazy lunatic but you'll see me when you cross over.

Yep that all sounds reasonable. given your threshold for evidence, this should stand up with the rest of the evidence youve presented so far. You're a reliable person to carry out scientific experiments, Josephus is a reliable source for history (except the doctored bits), Constantine converted to Christianity... Therefore God.

Did I get that right?

Father Ted Crilly · 08-05-2015 09:37PM

katydid wrote: »

Which one?

I don't know, but I think it also mentioned that there would be a great service called Google that people could use to find out stuff instead of continuously asking people stuff on public forums.

Delirium · 08-05-2015 09:47PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I have come to an interesting conclusion. Atheism is a disorder caused by technology. I don't want to offend anyone.

An independent studied carried out by yours truly (me) points to the conclusion that technology (e.g. Gaming consoles, PCs etc) makes people not give a damn about God existing or not. I am not of this world and this body is being occupied by me. I'll explain later. Anyway, I've been watching human progress for millions of years and recently I've noticed something. As technology takes over, people are so occupied by entertainment devices that they don't give religion and God a thought and they declare themselves atheist.

For some reason, the Third World was a huge failure. They are very poor and have almost nothing. They are more religious because their lives are not fixated on using computers, consoles, phones, etc.

You might call me a crazy lunatic but you'll see me when you cross over.

atheists existed before computers/gaming consoles.

Delirium · 08-05-2015 09:50PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I don't know, but I think it also mentioned that there would be a great service called Google that people could use to find out stuff instead of continuously asking people stuff on public forums.

Why don't you post the text in the bible that predicted the internet since you seem to know about it? It was you that made the claim after all.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2015 09:51PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I don't know, but I think it also mentioned that there would be a great service called Google that people could use to find out stuff instead of continuously asking people stuff on public forums.

Humm. You mention the googles but you keep throwing out arguments which you could look up on google.

You clearly didn't do any research before making 'Pascal's Wager' arguments or 'God of the gaps' or 'Argument from personal incredulity'. If you used the googles, you'd know how ridiculous they are.

Incedentally you started a thread which purports to explain something 'Why I ...' and then wonder why people ask you questions. Seriously?

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2015 09:55PM

SW wrote: »

atheists existed before computers/gaming consoles.

I think you'll find he did his research. Well research as he knows it at least.

1 Think of something which supports your predisposition.
2 Say that thing.
3 Claim you have proved that thing.

Ah Christian Science. So much simpler than real thinking

Father Ted Crilly · 08-05-2015 10:01PM

SW wrote: »

atheists existed before computers/gaming consoles.

Well what I meant was that technology causes secularism. Now, if my vocabulary is as fabulous as I think it is, the definition of that term is the active decline of religious practice or something in the world.
New technology is distracting people from real life. I'm typing words on a forum with questionable reputation when I could be outside smelling the lovely smell of clear air and embracing the natural beauty of the world and get that sense of serenity here in the lovely countryside of the west of this particular country we are in. And as I realize I am starting to go ridiculously off-topic, I now conclude my post by saying that there is a major difference between looking at pixels and being spiritually connected to the world around us.

Reps for Jesus, Amen.

Father Ted Crilly · 08-05-2015 10:16PM

SW wrote: »

Why don't you post the text in the bible that predicted the internet since you seem to know about it? It was you that made the claim after all.

I'm going to live like Jesus and respect human freewill.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

<Irrelevant>

You clearly didn't do any research before making 'Pascal's Wager' arguments or 'God of the gaps' or 'Argument from personal incredulity'. If you used the googles, you'd know how ridiculous they are.

Incedentally you started a thread which purports to explain something 'Why I ...' and then wonder why people ask you questions. Seriously?

How many times do I have to go over this? I am a Christian. I used to be a Catholic but now I'm making a stand against the Catholic Church. My thread has nothing to do with the existence of Jesus or God or Mary or Santa Claus. It has nothing to do with proving that anything existed. Catholicism is warping Christianity. I didn't want to say this because I thought it would cause trouble but now I'm saying it. Catholicism is evil.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think you'll find he did his research. Well research as he knows it at least.

1 Think of something which supports your predisposition.
2 Say that thing.
3 Claim you have proved that thing.

Ah Christian Science. So much simpler than real thinking

Well if you're going to insult me then let's look at Atheist Science.

Well I can't see it, scrap that idea. Forget all about it. In fact, let's go on a frenzy and start arguing that God doesn't exist, even though you can't prove a negative!

Jolly good logic indeed old chap.

Delirium · 08-05-2015 10:16PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Well what I meant was that technology causes secularism. Now, if my vocabulary is as fabulous as I think it is, the definition of that term is the active decline of religious practice or something in the world.

Explain the First Amendment of the US constitution. No technology that you referred to existed at that point in history.

New technology is distracting people from real life. I'm typing words on a forum with questionable reputation when I could be outside smelling the lovely smell of clear air and embracing the natural beauty of the world and get that sense of serenity here in the lovely countryside of the west of this particular country we are in. And as I realize I am starting to go ridiculously off-topic, I now conclude my post by saying that there is a major difference between looking at pixels and being spiritually connected to the world around us.

Reps for Jesus, Amen.

the same technology that keeps families and friends in contact that are separated by geography? It doesn't have to be either/or

Delirium · 08-05-2015 10:18PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I'm going to live like Jesus and respect human freewill.

very well. People can make their own judgement regarding your unsubstantiated claim regarding the internet being predicted in the bible.

Father Ted Crilly · 08-05-2015 10:20PM

SW wrote: »

very well. People can make their own judgement regarding your unsubstantiated claim regarding the internet being predicted in the bible.

Google it. I read it on a website. It must be on many websites. I'm not the one making the claim.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2015 10:24PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I'm going to live like Jesus and respect human freewill.

How many times do I have to go over this? I am a Christian. I used to be a Catholic but now I'm making a stand against the Catholic Church. My thread has nothing to do with the existence of Jesus or God or Mary or Santa Claus. It has nothing to do with proving that anything existed. Catholicism is warping Christianity. I didn't want to say this because I thought it would cause trouble but now I'm saying it. Catholicism is evil.

Why do you keep telling me that you're not Catholic? I know. Your arguments from ignorance/incredulity and Pascal's Wager don't work for christian god either.

Also this is the 'Atheism/Existance of God Debate' thread so the existence of god and jesus are fairly relevant in here.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Well if you're going to insult me then let's look at Atheist Science.
Jolly good logic indeed old chap.

Do you need help? Are you broken?

Delirium · 08-05-2015 10:28PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Google it. I read it on a website. It must be on many websites. I'm not the one making the claim.

actually, yes you did.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

One of Jesus' parables predicted the internet perfectly.

Reps for Jesus!

whether you read it on another website is beside the point. It really isn't much to ask to provide the parable so others can read it for themselves.

Delirium · 08-05-2015 10:29PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Do you need help? Are you broken?

MOD NOTE

Please try to stick to the topic and avoid personalising the discussion.

Thanks for your attention.

katydid · 08-05-2015 10:44PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I don't know, but I think it also mentioned that there would be a great service called Google that people could use to find out stuff instead of continuously asking people stuff on public forums.

You don't know, but you state is as fact.

Are you taking the p*ss?

Father Ted Crilly · 08-05-2015 10:44PM

Christian Science wrote:

Evidence: Well there's Jesus, witnesses, evidence of design, human conscience, human freewill, things don't happen by themselves etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Atheist Science wrote:

Evidence: God doesn't exist. Why? For the sole reason that I haven't seen him. Just like I hadn't seen all of those fish who were thought to be extinct but they were found alive. Psst, I didn't want to say this out loud but there are huge mysteries surrounding our origin, our conscience, our special emotions and we'll never be able to find out where we came from but for some reason we totally reject the idea of 'God'. Don't tell the Christian scientists or else we'll lose this argument.

I think that pretty much sums up a Christian's reason for believing and an atheist's for rejecting.

katydid · 08-05-2015 10:45PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I'm not the one making the claim.

Actually you are.

Father Ted Crilly · 08-05-2015 10:50PM

SW wrote: »

actually, yes you did.

katydid wrote: »

Actually you are.

Wrong and wrong. The Bible makes the claim that Jesus existed. If I tell you about the Bible's claim, I'm not the one making the claim, now am I?
Like I said, I read about Jesus' prediction on another website. I didn't work out that he predicted the internet, I just spread the information.

Two against one and you still can't prove me wrong.

Reps for Jesus!

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2015 10:50PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I think that pretty much sums up a Christian's reason for believing and an atheist's for rejecting.

Yeah. That's not an argument made by anyone on this thread except you though. That makes it a 'straw man' argument.

It also uses the god of the gaps argument. You're using that one a lot today. Do you even know what it is?

Delirium · 08-05-2015 10:51PM

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I think that pretty much sums up a Christian's reason for believing and an atheist's for rejecting.

you just described atheism as essentially being a rejection of the "God in the gaps" argument. What's unreasonable about that?

Atheism/Existence of God Debates (Part 2)

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