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ISIS vs The IRA ?

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  • #152
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Reoil wrote: »
    I've never heard of an IRA member blowing themselves up for their cause...
    Any sort of pothole, ramp, etc = baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    The fight would have to take place in Ireland.
    The CIA would then become involved, and suddenly every ex-IRA member will be given guns and bombs from dear old Uncle Sam.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    They couldn't stop the IRA. Good always triumphs over evil.
    But neither side was good. Both sides were evil, fought dirty, killed civilians, and executed their own without a second thought.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    They shouldn't have been trying to stop us because they shouldn't have come here in the first place.
    They were invited over, and when they found that there wasn't anyone that could tell them to leave, they stayed.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    The British caused the Potato Famine.
    This is true. I do wonder how many Irish profited from it, however?
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    If I ever get my hands on a time machine, a big ass gun and a vast quantity of bullets, I know where I'm going.
    You'll die when you get there, as the butterfly effect will mean you never get born.
    To Elland Back wrote: »
    Doubt they would have the stomach for a fight among equals
    Only a fool fights a fair fight, for the other side fair equals they have the upper hand.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Oh I'm sorry if you've never heard of the Black and Tans.

    The very same people who went around burning people's houses down and killing people (and because your ageist, children too) who had nothing to do with the IRA. And they did it every time a little bit of resistance was shown to British rule.
    The IRA did this as well.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    The IRA fought for a Republic, they got it.
    The IRB fought for the Republic, and got it. The IRA got jack sh|t.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    The country belonged to the Irish and the English randomly came in.
    They were invited over.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    I find it ridiculous that when someone says "Northern Ireland" they're referring to a different country. UNITED IRELAND!
    Lets see. Different ruler, different laws, different currency. Yup, another country.
    end of the road wrote: »
    but they did win against the BA. they killed more BA fighters then BA killed IRA. they stopped the BA slaughtering by force. that to me is a win
    And the IRA killed more of it's own than anyone else. Your point?
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    I am about to rage. I cannot see how the British won. They are at wrong here.
    Right or wrong doesn't win. Whoever stays is generally the winner. The brits stayed.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    They had no right to come to Ireland and take it for themselves.
    They were invited over, saw nothing to oppose them, and stayed.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    The IRA fought for our republic, if they never did what they did we'd be surrounded by people with fruitcake accents and caaaas with yellow plates.
    The IRA you seem to like wasn't around then.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    ISIS, who effectively were born out of the Taliban, were freedom fighters. Also weren't the IRA pushing their strict religious Catholic beliefs?
    Pretty sure ISIS came about from one of Saddams spymasters?
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I know several guys who served in NI and they hated the loyalists as much as they hated the IRA. In fact, they just hated Northern Ireland in general.
    Both sides were terrorists. Although some loyalists may have gotten arms from British Intelligence, I doubt it was nothing more than a means to an end for a short term plan.


  • #153
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    https://www.irelandcalling.ie/history-norman-and-british-invasion
    In 1166, the new High King of Ireland, Rory O’Connor, ousted Dermot MacMurrough as the King of Leinster.

    MacMurrough asked Henry II of England for permission to recruit Norman knights to help reclaim his throne. The permission was granted and Norman troops landed in 1167.

    After his reinstatement, MacMurrough arranged for his daughter Aiofe to marry the Norman Richard de Clare, Earl of Pembroke – more commonly known as Strongbow.

    This alarmed Henry who feared that Strongbow would become too powerful. To prevent this he invaded Ireland in 1171 in order to suppress the country and establish his rule.

    After a successful campaign, Henry awarded his newly won Irish territories to his son John, under the title Lord of Ireland.

    It was the beginning of nearly 900 years of British rule in Ireland.
    Invited in, never left.


  • #154
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ISIS, who effectively were born out of the Taliban, were freedom fighters. Also weren't the IRA pushing their strict religious Catholic beliefs?


    Wtf?


  • #155
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What, all of them? I largely agree with your post but this part isn't true.

    Just most of them


  • #156
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Thing is though, you can't really compare a professional sophisticated world class army, to an embedded terrorist movement who hide among the community like ticks! I also doubt that such a professional army would be unto knives as say ISIS or the IRA.


    These would be the people who ran torture camps in Kenya where womens breasts were ripped open, men dragged behind jeeps till dead etc, torture in Cyprus, Aden etc, all to maintain racist Imperialist regimes.....?


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  • #157
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What, all of them? I largely agree with your post but this part isn't true.


    Never once have I seen ye disagree with a sweeping generalisation as regards Republicans. Yet.....


  • #158
    rockatansky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ISIS, who effectively were born out of the Taliban, were freedom fighters. Also weren't the IRA pushing their strict religious Catholic beliefs?

    If you were found guilty in a Kangaroo court, you could expect to be sentenced to strict Catholicism for life.


  • #159
    AnnaStezia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭AnnaStezia


    If ISIS v IRA ended in a draw would there be a shoot-out to decide the winner ?


  • #160
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,146 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    ISIS v IRA is like Barcelona V Shelbourne Ladies.
    IRA wouldn't have a snowflakes chance in hell


  • #161
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What, all of them? I largely agree with your post but this part isn't true.

    'Loyalist paramilitaries' I should have said.


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  • #162
    rockatansky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    I can't believe an actual serious debate is taking place about such nonsense.


  • #163
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    the_syco wrote: »
    Invited in, never left.

    Just like they were invited into Australia, India, New Zealand, Pakistan, Yemen, America etc etc?


  • #164
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    rockatansky wrote: »
    I can't believe an actual serious debate is taking place about such nonsense.

    Considering they actually made that "Taleban vs IRA" programme in the states and similar nonsense, I'm surprised you're surprised.


  • #165
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'm surprised you're surprised.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25MA17bBQs


  • #166
    con___manx1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    The IRA got a bomb in the same building as a former priminister . doubt issis would have the brains t carry out an attack like that. I don't support the IRA but if they had of blown that iron lady up I would have been happy


  • #167
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.


  • #168
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    con___manx1 wrote: »
    The IRA got a bomb in the same building as a former priminister . doubt issis would have the brains t carry out an attack like that. I don't support the IRA but if they had of blown that iron lady up I would have been happy


    So would large numbers of British people.


  • #169
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.
    Troll somewhere else.


  • #170
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.

    Whatever you say......Father.


  • #171
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,202 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    My shower a' bastards can beat up your shower a' bastards. :)


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  • #172
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    I would hope the IRA!


  • #173
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Theres an estimated number of between 50,000-250,000 ISIS fighters. Theres somewhere between 1,000-10,000 IRA members.


  • #174
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    All of the countries of the world should join together and when another country starts some mad religious army like ISIS we should all annihilate them. It would work the same way as the death penalty in America. It would be the best way to prevent terrorism.
    I have an ever better solution but I don't want to be seen as sadistic so I'll leave it for when I become president of the world.

    I am sick of hearing about "ISIS this, ISIS that." Sometimes I wonder what the hell is wrong with people.

    They already have one of them armies & it's called NATO & it's a prime reason why ISIS exists.

    The best way to prevent terrorism is to stop invading other peoples countries & stop oppressing people, then the oppressed won't feel the need to rebel. But preventing terrorism isn't a very high priority for the worlds most powerful governments for all the reasons Chmosky mentions.


  • #175
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.

    England certainly isn't full of weirdo's. It was brave Englishmen like Ken Livingstone & Tony Benn who risked their lives & talked to the leadership of the Republican movement to help bring about a just solution to the conflict that everyone could live with. Sinn Fein definitely wouldn't be the political force they are now without the help of the left in Britain.


  • #176
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    Its not a comparison you could really make.As regards firepower the ra wouldn't stand a chance,but if the odds were evened in both numbers and weaponry,the IRA would destroy them.The thing is,any Ira vol on active service is a trained,disciplined and experienced soldier,ISIS on the other hand swell the ranks with terrified teenagers that will shoot all around themselves if a seagull drops a sh1te nearby


  • #177
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    Its not a comparison you could really make.As regards firepower the ra wouldn't stand a chance,but if the odds were evened in both numbers and weaponry,the IRA would destroy them.The thing is,any Ira vol on active service is a trained,disciplined and experienced soldier,ISIS on the other hand swell the ranks with terrified teenagers that will shoot all around themselves if a seagull drops a sh1te nearby
    It's hard for me to say this but the average dissident republican isn't as fúcked in the head as the average jihadist.

    The Northern Irish guys would be like "nope, fúck this ****" when the crucifixions start.


  • #178
    RomanKnows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭RomanKnows


    I'd always recommend a book called The Lost Revolution: The Story of the Official IRA and the Workers Party by Brian Hanley and Scott Millar when trying to objectively analyse what lead to the creation of the provisional IRA.

    Its been criticised by Eoin Harris and Gerry Adams as being revisionist. So I'd recommend it to all of us who are non-partisan to any blinding ideology involved in the 'Troubles'.


  • #179
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Troll somewhere else.

    Don't accuse other posters of trolling, report them and posts you've an issue with


  • #180
    emigrate2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭emigrate2012


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    I am 1000000000000.34203% sure that we should have a United Ireland. Some Northerners say they're British. I say, **** off home then.

    A United Ireland would definitely reduce the amount of violence caused by the IRA. I find it ridiculous to say that. We shouldn't need to have phrases like "United Ireland". Those Brits ruined the country.

    You haven't a fcking clue have you?......ever given thought to the fact that northern Ireland is now a separate entity to both the republic and the UK?

    It's a separate country in evolution ATM, you must be about 20 yrs old or just a thick tbh.....

    Anyways, this is after hours. So bend right over and suck your own ball's.


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  • #181
    GaryTLynch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭GaryTLynch


    Fr. Ted Crilly,
    Could you please summarise the events that led to the outbreak of the Troubles, the war that ensued and the eventual signing of the Good Friday Agreement (as YOU see it).

    This should be good.


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