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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #8312
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    Grand_Rajnah wrote: »
    Would that not be the opposite of what we're voting on?

    AFAIK, were the first country voting to remove a constitutional ban on SSM. Thats not what Croatia did

    you being smart there
    it's same thing just the wording was different so the interest parties voted the opposite way than they would here.


  • #8313
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    arayess wrote: »
    you being smart there
    it's same thing just the wording was different so the interest parties voted the opposite way than they would here.

    No.

    It's voting to have discrimination against homosexuals placed in their Constitution - or super duper illegal on the SSM.

    We are voting to make SSM super duper legal.

    Complete opposites.


  • #8314
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Fair play Croatia. Not just the best football jerseys now.

    Yeah, Croatia continues it's dismal human rights record.
    GO THEM!


  • #8315
    Aineoil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    I'll vote yes on the day. Same sex marriage won't impact on me personally. But I am not in the position to deny any person marriage.

    I don't really think too much about the various anti campaigns - I just turn off. The church saying they may not complete the civil part

    of a ceremony is a bit cracked. The church in the past had a monopoly on marriage and weddings but this is changing .......

    To people who will vote no, that's your choice too.


  • #8316
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    arayess wrote: »
    you being smart there
    it's same thing just the wording was different so the interest parties voted the opposite way than they would here.

    I'm assuming (I don't know) that SSM wasn't legal in Croatia to begin with - they were just voting to make sure it could never be legislated for in the future.

    We're voting to remove a constitutional ban on SSM which has been in place since the constitution was written in 1937, when in fairness, the thought of two men/women getting married would have been absurd.

    It's absolutely not the same thing


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  • #8317
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    No.

    It's voting to have discrimination against homosexuals placed in their Constitution.

    We are voting to make it super duper illegal.

    Complete opposites.

    oh yawn...

    it was a vote on same sex marriage and same sex marriage was rejected.


  • #8318
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    arayess wrote: »
    oh yawn...

    Oh go way with your aul charm fest and fancy arguments where you try and pretend opposites are the same thing.


  • #8319
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Yeah, Croatia continues it's dismal human rights record.
    GO THEM!

    Yes, how dare exercise their democratic rights. I guess they saw through the "equality" argument.


  • #8320
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh go way with your aul charm fest and fancy arguments where you try and pretend opposites are the same thing.

    LOL.
    That did give me a laugh.


  • #8321
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,453 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh go way with your aul charm fest and fancy arguments where you try and pretend opposites are the same thing.

    Forward thinking progressive society, Croatia, but the opposite? Am I getting this?


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  • #8322
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Yes, how dare exercise their democratic rights. I guess they saw through the "equality" argument.

    Yeah. Nothing says democratic rights like enshrining discrimination.
    GO CROATIA!


  • #8323
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    endacl wrote: »
    Forward thinking progressive society, Croatia, but the opposite? Am I getting this?

    Bicker over whether a referendum to have it placed in a Constitution that SSM is illegal and a referendum to have SSM made legal are the same thing.

    I say they are the opposite.


  • #8324
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Yes, how dare exercise their democratic rights. I guess they saw through the "equality" argument.

    Just cus its a democratic vote doesn't mean its the right decision or do you disagree that democracy can never be wrong?


  • #8325
    househero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭househero


    aloyisious wrote: »

    Edit: The Outhouse LGBT Centre on Capel St is open to a visit by shooterjay and HouseHero. It's straight-friendly.

    Thank you for the invitation. Its greatly appreciated.

    For the moment I'll pass, but I will always support the side of freedom over state oppression.

    Including the rights of my fellow countrymen and women. We are stronger together. And I like that fact. I will always fight for what is RIGHT.

    Even if I'm not all that comfortable around gay people.


  • #8326
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Just cus its a democratic vote doesn't mean its the right decision or do you disagree that democracy can never be wrong?

    It's still better then a dictatorship and it's the right decision for the people that voted which where the majority.


  • #8327
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    gravehold wrote: »
    It's still better then a dictatorship and it's the right decision for the people that voted which where the majority.

    White Americans were the majority in the Southern United States therefore, by your logic, the Jim Crow Laws were just.


  • #8328
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    White Americans were the majority in the Southern United States therefore, by your logic, the Jim Crow Laws were just.

    And they got removed when the majority thought they should democracy is the best option, I would take it over a dictatorship any day more evil has been done in dictatorships then any democracy.


  • #8329
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    gravehold wrote: »
    It's still better then a dictatorship and it's the right decision for the people that voted which where the majority.

    This thread has already been godwin'd from my recollection so don't need to feel too bad about doing this again but ill just remind you Hitler was voted in by democratic election


  • #8330
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,861 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Anybody watching RTE? Waters is an absolute lunatic!

    Moderator is doing a terrible job at reining him in.


  • #8331
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    VinLieger wrote: »
    This thread has already been godwin'd from my recollection so don't need to feel too bad about doing this again but ill just remind you Hitler was voted in by democratic election

    And stalin wasn't and he was worse then hitler


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  • #8332
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    gravehold wrote: »
    And they got removed when the majority thought they should democracy is the best option, I would take it over a dictatorship any day more evil has been done in dictatorships then any democracy.

    Lets just skip over the whole Civil Rights/National Guard being brought in/Lynchings bit shall we?


  • #8333
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I'm sitting here watching the debate on prime time and the no side are just completely diluting the whole debate with non sense that were not actually going to be voting on. It's pure car crash TV. They're completely deluded.


  • #8334
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    gravehold wrote: »
    And stalin wasn't and he was worse then hitler

    What, with respect, does that have to do with anything?


  • #8335
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What, with respect, does that have to do with anything?

    He said democracy was bad cause hitler, stalin, pol pot, mao all dictatorships all worse then hitler.

    Democracy is the fairist system we have, and is the one that will decide this referendum.


  • #8336
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    arayess wrote: »
    oh yawn...

    it was a vote on same sex marriage and same sex marriage was rejected.

    Eh, not really. It was a vote to put into the constitution a section to prevent same sex marriage being made legal by any Govt there. In the same way that the Govt here is allowing the people decide by referendum on what legislation won't get into law here (the unconstitutional act ploy) that's what the Croatian Gov't did there. If my memory is right, the vote was won due to a low turn-out by both sides, so the NO side won due to majority vote. The church there also backed the NO vote.


  • #8337
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    gravehold wrote: »
    He said democracy was bad cause hitler, stalin, pol pot, mao all dictatorships all worse then hitler.

    Democracy is the fairist system we have, and is the one that will decide this referendum.

    I was referring to the post inferring democracy always resulted in the right decision and giving examples where it resulted in horrible situations, it is deffinitely the fairest system but is in no way perfect


  • #8338
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    osarusan wrote: »
    Anybody watching RTE? Waters is an absolute lunatic!

    Moderator is doing a terrible job at reining him in.

    You mean: Moderator is doing a terrific job at reining himself in from using his cattle-prod :)


  • #8339
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I was referring to the post inferring democracy always resulted in the right decision and giving examples where it resulted in horrible situations, it is deffinitely the fairest system but is in no way perfect

    But it's the best we have and I am glad the one that will decide this referendum. Also it could be said hitler was the right choice for 1930's germany.


  • #8340
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    gravehold wrote: »
    He said democracy was bad cause hitler, stalin, pol pot, mao all dictatorships all worse then hitler.

    Democracy is the fairist system we have, and is the one that will decide this referendum.

    No. He said Hitler was democratically elected. Which is true.

    Democracy might be the best we have but it is not perfect and can easily become the tyranny of the majority mob unless protections for minorities are firmly in place.


    “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
    ― Winston S. Churchill


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  • #8341
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hightlighted part is correct, but the change to the law is due to the referendum in the expectation of a yes vote.

    No - its because it's the right thing to do independent of the referendum result.

    If the 2015 legislation was contingent on a yes vote, why would it reference CP - which will be done away with.


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