Leading Provo shot dead in Belfast this morning

Snickers Man · 05-05-2015 03:27PM #1

Haven't seen any mention of this elsewhere on Boards. A guy named Jock Davison, believed to have been a senior IRA commander in the 1980s, has been shot dead this morning.

Unknown what the motive was.

He was the nephew of one of the men charged, and of course acquitted, for the murder of Robert McCartney a few years ago.

The acquittal came about because there was very little forensic evidence in the case as it had all been "Cleaned up" by an IRA team which descended on the pub in the wake of the murder that had taken place following an altercation inside.

The "Cleanup" team was, allegedly, organised by the recently deceased.

Read about the main facts here

syklops · 05-05-2015 03:29PM

Jack Dawson? Sure he died on the Titanic.

Kristopherus · 05-05-2015 03:30PM

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

kneemos · 05-05-2015 03:32PM

Don't much care what happens to criminal gangs in the north.

myshirt · 05-05-2015 03:34PM

Here come the Shinnerbots.

smash · 05-05-2015 03:38PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Haven't seen any mention of this elsewhere on Boards. A guy named Jock Davison, believed to have been a senior IRA commander in the 1980s, has been shot dead this morning.

Unknown what the motive was.

I think we can guess the motive.

Snickers Man · 05-05-2015 04:23PM

Could be anyone, let's face it.

mynamejeff · 05-05-2015 04:25PM

working in a community center eh ?

thats what happens when you elect terrorists to government, cant wait till the shinners get in here and rob us even blinder than the last lot.

gangsters ted !

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-05-2015 04:26PM

Suspect in the Robert McCartney murder.

Davison was quizzed about the murder of 33-year-old Robert McCartney outside Magennis's Bar in Belfast city-centre in January 2005, but was later released without charge.

No-one has been convicted for the murder of Mr McCartney a father-of-two from the Short Strand.
The victim's sister made the claim that Davison ordered the murder.
In a 2007 interview with Sunday Life, Gerard 'Jock' Davison claimed "I'm no tout" after the murder-victim's sister, Catherine, posed the question in her new book, Walls of Silence.

Saying all that he was shot in front of his kids, No child should see their Father gunned down like that.

Children were running across the road screaming "daddy, daddy", according to reports.

weisses · 05-05-2015 04:34PM

perfect example of "your past catching up with you"

hatrickpatrick · 05-05-2015 04:35PM

His kids saw him getting shot. They may very well be part of the next generation who grow up with rage and revenge filling their hearts.
Those cheerleading incidents like this because the victim was a "scumbag" or whatever would do well to remember that.

LDN_Irish · 05-05-2015 04:39PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

His kids saw him getting shot. They may very well be part of the next generation who grow up with rage and revenge filling their hearts.
Those cheerleading incidents like this because the victim was a "scumbag" or whatever would do well to remember that.

Stop spoiling everyone's climax, libbo!

seamus · 05-05-2015 04:44PM

weisses wrote: »

perfect example of "your past catching up with you"

There are only 3 ways out of organised crime - death, poverty or politics.

He chose the first.

FTA69 · 05-05-2015 04:51PM

It's hard to say who it was and I'm sure the details will come out soon enough. From what I can gather it's likely to be drug dealers/ gangsters who are trying to give themselves carte blanche to start making sh*t of communities the same way parts of Dublin have been affected. One of the best things about Belfast for all of its problems was the fact scumbags and dealers had a lid kept on them.

The gloating already starting over this man's death is fairly pathetic to be honest.

Magico Gonzalez · 05-05-2015 04:51PM

A cold hearted murder, a shame for his family and for the city neither of which deserve this. The McCartney family could probably do without the speculation linking revenge as a motive for this. Post ceasefire we can't have a hierarchy of victimhood.

A murder is a murder, be it former IRA activist or a current police constable. This has the potential for some nasty revenge killing, a great shame if it happens.

I suspect some of the new wave of anti-GFA criminals (i won't dignify them by call them anything else) are involved. Plenty of rumours that he was an informant, a possibility given the level of eventual British infiltration into all Northern paramilitaries (both sides). You can read the allegations in the Independent article. I don't make any comment on their veracity, but the fact that it's in the public sphere is motive enough for a anti GFA murderer.

Sad day for all, hopefully this time the guilty coward is caught and locked up.

Magico Gonzalez · 05-05-2015 04:54PM

FTA69 wrote: »

It's hard to say who it was and I'm sure the details will come out soon enough. From what I can gather it's likely to be drug dealers/ gangsters who are trying to give themselves carte blanche to start making sh*t of communities the same way parts of Dublin have been affected. One of the best things about Belfast for all of its problems was the fact scumbags and dealers had a lid kept on them.

The gloating already starting over this man's death is fairly pathetic to be honest.

South Belfast isn't really as at risk from this type of activity as north and west belfast, the markets is a pretty small enclave. I fear it's a political statement by criminal anti GFA types.

I hope I am wrong as it would set a very dangerous precedent, but I do believe one of their objectives is to portray the provisional movement as weak and to demonstrate their own violent credentials.

FTA69 · 05-05-2015 04:57PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

South Belfast isn't really as at risk from this type of activity as north and west belfast, the markets is a pretty small enclave. I fear it's a political statement by criminal anti GFA types.

I hope I am wrong as it would set a very dangerous precedent, but I do believe one of their objectives is to portray the provisional movement as weak and to demonstrate their own violent credentials.

Could well be mate although the two main groups out there now would have nothing to gain by banging a senior Provo. One of the groups is trying to build a political presence and that won't be helped by shooting community activists in broad daylight. I get what you say about the Markets but there are by all accounts a number of serious criminals in that area.

As I said above, the facts will out soon I'd say and I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of whoever was responsible for it.

Magico Gonzalez · 05-05-2015 05:03PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Could well be mate although the two main groups out there now would have nothing to gain by banging a senior Provo. One of the groups is trying to build a political presence and that won't be helped by shooting community activists in broad daylight. I get what you say about the Markets but there are by all accounts a number of serious criminals in that area.

As I said above, the facts will out soon I'd say and I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of whoever was responsible for it.

There are those who have walked away from politics, I do believe (not my poison, but you have to respect people's views) there is a space for anti-GFA politics and that some of those who espoused violence now pursue their aims politically is a welcome development. That said, there are those who still publicly pursue other more violent alternatives.

It would be more damaging for SF if the Provos got dragged into a tit for tat cycle of revenge. I do think that's the motivation here. Damage SF, provoke the Provisional movement.

Hopefully the cops scoop up whoever did it first.

My name is URL · 05-05-2015 05:07PM

seamus wrote: »

There are only 3 ways out of organised crime - death, poverty or politics.

He chose the first.

He chose to be shot in front of his kids did he?

That's an awfully stupid post frankly

FTA69 · 05-05-2015 05:12PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

There are those who have walked away from politics, I do believe (not my poison, but you have to respect people's views) there is a space for anti-GFA politics and that some of those who espoused violence now pursue their aims politically is a welcome development. That said, there are those who still publicly pursue other more violent alternatives.

It would be more damaging for SF if the Provos got dragged into a tit for tat cycle of revenge. I do think that's the motivation here. Damage SF, provoke the Provisional movement.

Hopefully the cops scoop up whoever did it first.

I highly doubt it was dissidents. They're tactically inept muppets but they aren't that stupid like. It wouldn't serve their purpose at all, locally or nationally. I'd say it was local criminals and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it turned out to be some 16 year old kid who was led into doing it.

The Provo old boy network isn't going to tolerate this for a second like. If they stand for this it'll open up loads of them for the same, and they aren't going to give a sh*t what the media thinks about it either.

Arsemageddon · 05-05-2015 05:18PM

seamus wrote: »

There are only 3 ways out of organised crime - death, poverty or politics.

What about prison or buying a villa in Spain?

He chose the first.

I don't think he had much say in the matter

Guy:Incognito · 05-05-2015 05:20PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

His kids saw him getting shot. They may very well be part of the next generation who grow up with rage and revenge filling their hearts..

No doubt he instilled plenty of it in them himself.

padd b1975 · 05-05-2015 05:20PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Haven't seen any mention of this elsewhere on Boards. A guy named Jock Davison, believed to have been a senior IRA commander in the 1980s, has been shot dead this morning.

Unknown what the motive was.

He was the nephew of one of the men charged, and of course acquitted, for the murder of Robert McCartney a few years ago.

The acquittal came about because there was very little forensic evidence in the case as it had all been "Cleaned up" by an IRA team which descended on the pub in the wake of the murder that had taken place following an altercation inside.

The "Cleanup" team was, allegedly, organised by the recently deceased.

Read about the main facts here

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

mynamejeff · 05-05-2015 05:40PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I highly doubt it was dissidents. They're tactically inept muppets but they aren't that stupid like. It wouldn't serve their purpose at all, locally or nationally. I'd say it was local criminals and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it turned out to be some 16 year old kid who was led into doing it.

The Provo old boy network isn't going to tolerate this for a second like. If they stand for this it'll open up loads of them for the same, and they aren't going to give a sh*t what the media thinks about it either.

Local criminals ? OFFS !!!
He was a local criminal , are we gona have this Alan Ryan hero of the down trodden BS again .

The man was scum same as Ryan , same as lots of the "provo old boys network" making money from pain and suffering of those dumb enough to involve themselves in drugs and crime.

The only negative thing about this death is that it happened in front of children

My name is URL · 05-05-2015 06:00PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

The only negative thing about this death is that it happened in front of children

According to who.. you, that have never met or known him?

His life likely had more value to more people than yours does.

FTA69 · 05-05-2015 06:01PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

Local criminals ? OFFS !!!
He was a local criminal , are we gona have this Alan Ryan hero of the down trodden BS again .

The man was scum same as Ryan , same as lots of the "provo old boys network" making money from pain and suffering of those dumb enough to involve themselves in drugs and crime.

The only negative thing about this death is that it happened in front of children

Seems to me he was an ex-combatant community worker. You've no idea at all if he was involved in criminality.

mynamejeff · 05-05-2015 06:18PM

My name is URL wrote: »

According to who.. you, that have never met or known him?

His life likely had more value to more people than yours does.

yes according to me , how do you know i hadnt met him several times over the years and know exactly who and what he was about ?

If you quantify value with power then the fear he put innocent people in, then im sure he had lots of value. and then theres the value of the money he built up from his "revolutionary activities " theres that value too i suppose

mynamejeff · 05-05-2015 06:19PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Seems to me he was an ex-combatant community worker. You've no idea at all if he was involved in criminality.

seems to me you dont know who or what your talking about ......

anncoates · 05-05-2015 06:28PM

My name is URL wrote: »

He chose to be shot in front of his kids did he?

Nobody does.

As I'm sure you'll acknowledge.

kumate_champ07 · 05-05-2015 06:29PM

myshirt wrote: »

Here come the Shinnerbots.

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Gwynplaine · 05-05-2015 06:29PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Exactly. There'll never be peace up there. Have been twice, never again.

Leading Provo shot dead in Belfast this morning

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