Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

mass_debater · 30-04-2015 10:04PM

mailsanchu wrote: »

when the wip exchanges becomes green then all the lines connected to the exchange will be able to get evdsl ?

If they are shorter than 1800m which is the distance limit

yuloni · 01-05-2015 03:08AM

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ED E · 01-05-2015 10:42AM

I'm not 100% on how its done with VDSL, must see if Huawei have a doc. When they install a VDSL cab its cross jumpered the couple feet over to the copper cab with a pair for each line in that cab. If they all order VDSL theyre all jumpered onto VDSL ports with a DSL filter on the back to wipe out the ADSL signal (which is later nuked at the exchange). Before that install happens though, the DSLAM has to be able to read the line to rate it, and theyre done regularly so its not a manual task.

The result of the test is an attenuation figure. For ADSL thats avg dAttenuation across 2.2Mhz, for VDSL its the same for 17Mhz. With ADSL they also have the POTS line results to indicate loop length but I dunno if thats used.

The profiles are picked by the ISP as far as I know. So they could arrange to configure the DSLAMs with a lower option. But 7_1 is rate adaptive so technically its 0_0 to 7_1. Really if you're lower than 15_3 you shouldnt order VDSL. Its like those 8km ADSL lines, they CAN work but in most cases are prone to constant problems as you're really pushing the tech too far.

What we might see isntead of lower profiles is cab launched ADSL. Theres room for the cards in a riser if they wanted to do it and COMREG allowed it. In rural areas using cabs as remote ADSL service units could make a big impact.

bk · 01-05-2015 11:17AM

ED E wrote: »

What we might see isntead of lower profiles is cab launched ADSL. Theres room for the cards in a riser if they wanted to do it and COMREG allowed it. In rural areas using cabs as remote ADSL service units could make a big impact.

It is funny you should just write this, as I just made a similar point over on the other thread.

Eircom actually has an economic incentive to enable ADSL and voice from the cab. If they move all services to the cab, then they can decommission the copper between the cab and exchange and sell it. They can get as much as 50% of the cost of putting the cab in place by just selling of this copper, never mind the reduction in opex.

dbit · 01-05-2015 11:19AM

ED E wrote: »

I'm not 100% on how its done with VDSL, must see if Huawei have a doc. When they install a VDSL cab its cross jumpered the couple feet over to the copper cab with a pair for each line in that cab. If they all order VDSL theyre all jumpered onto VDSL ports with a DSL filter on the back to wipe out the ADSL signal (which is later nuked at the exchange). Before that install happens though, the DSLAM has to be able to read the line to rate it, and theyre done regularly so its not a manual task.

The result of the test is an attenuation figure. For ADSL thats avg dAttenuation across 2.2Mhz, for VDSL its the same for 17Mhz. With ADSL they also have the POTS line results to indicate loop length but I dunno if thats used.

The profiles are picked by the ISP as far as I know. So they could arrange to configure the DSLAMs with a lower option. But 7_1 is rate adaptive so technically its 0_0 to 7_1. Really if you're lower than 15_3 you shouldnt order VDSL. Its like those 8km ADSL lines, they CAN work but in most cases are prone to constant problems as you're really pushing the tech too far.
(Lives miles from civilization)

What we might see isntead of lower profiles is cab launched ADSL. Theres room for the cards in a riser if they wanted to do it and COMREG allowed it. In rural areas using cabs as remote ADSL service units could make a big impact.

I think they have done this in a few spots already , months back a young lad i know from ( Xbox live) poured his heart out to me about his 3 mb connection , calling eircom he asked for more speed , they told him they could take him to maybe 6-7 MB for an extra fee ( Dirt bags) , I told him to call them back and say vodafone where at his door ( Which they were not) telling him he could get upgraded slightly with them for same price , weeks later eircom called him back to say that he can now access up to 24MB NGA ( He gets 17MMB now), Wexford dewller and weird to see such a jump.

mailsanchu · 01-05-2015 11:52AM

Is it certain that the WIP exchanges (turned blue ) got approval for evdsl from comreg ?

bk · 01-05-2015 11:56AM

dbit wrote: »

weeks later eircom called him back to say that he can now access up to 24MB NGA ( He gets 17MMB now), Wexford dewller and weird to see such a jump.

We've heard that here on boards a few times before, either:

1) Eircom upgraded his exchange to ADSL2+ and thus upgraded him to it.
2) The exchange had a mix of ADSL and ADSL2+ and Eircom were too lazy leaving him on the ADSL ports. It could also have been that all the ADSL2+ ports were already full. One of the benefits of people moving over to VDSL2+ is that it should free up more ADSL2+ ports.

bk · 01-05-2015 12:07PM

ED E wrote: »

What we might see isntead of lower profiles is cab launched ADSL. Theres room for the cards in a riser if they wanted to do it and COMREG allowed it. In rural areas using cabs as remote ADSL service units could make a big impact.

Just reading about the Huawei FTTC cab that Eircom is using. It seems it supports not only ADSL2+, but also PSTN, SHDSL, even ISDN!

However it isn't clear if this means the VDSL2+ ISAM can also do ADSL2+ with a flick of a switch or if it requires separate ADSL2+ DSLAM cards and if they have been installed up front or not.

If the former, then I think it would be a no brainer for Eircom to enable voice and ADSL2+ from the cabs and then decommission the copper. Would go a long way to pay for the VDSL rollout.

This would be a big benefit for people more then 2km from a cab but even further from the exchange, they would see an obvious nice boost in performance.

Obviously the LLU operators would object, but for the rest of the country without LLU, then it is a no brainer.

I can also understand why it hasn't happened yet. I'm sure Eircom are currently rightly focused on the VDSL rollout, once they have that complete, they may turn their attention to this decommissioning.

Akenny010 · 01-05-2015 12:22PM

The exchanged I'm connected to has finally turned blue & says

ETY1_E01

Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress

Any idea how long this process takes & how long it should take to get an estimated date? Thanks

ED E · 01-05-2015 12:30PM

Akenny010 wrote: »

The exchanged I'm connected to has finally turned blue & says

ETY1_E01

Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress

Any idea how long this process takes & how long it should take to get an estimated date? Thanks

Answered several times already. No way to know.

bk wrote: »

Just reading about the Huawei FTTC cab that Eircom is using. It seems it supports not only ADSL2+, but also PSTN, SHDSL, even ISDN!

However it isn't clear if this means the VDSL2+ ISAM can also do ADSL2+ with a flick of a switch or if it requires separate ADSL2+ DSLAM cards and if they have been installed up front or not.

If the former, then I think it would be a no brainer for Eircom to enable voice and ADSL2+ from the cabs and then decommission the copper. Would go a long way to pay for the VDSL rollout.

This would be a big benefit for people more then 2km from a cab but even further from the exchange, they would see an obvious nice boost in performance.

Obviously the LLU operators would object, but for the rest of the country without LLU, then it is a no brainer.

I can also understand why it hasn't happened yet. I'm sure Eircom are currently rightly focused on the VDSL rollout, once they have that complete, they may turn their attention to this decommissioning.

To move both PSTN(ISDN) and ADSL into the cab would be a fair bit of work. Even within the same MSAN would require a lot of cards. The larger alcatel cabs used in the trial probably had space, but I doubt the risers could accommodate that much. Theyd have to be able to completely relocate every pair in order to decommission the main cable.

liverpool · 01-05-2015 05:54PM

How do I see wholesale vs retail on map and what does this mean?

dbit wrote: »

Hmmmm on wholesale still says building in macroom exchange .............

yuloni wrote: »

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ItHurtsWhenIP · 01-05-2015 06:07PM

liverpool wrote: »

How do I see wholesale vs retail on map and what does this mean?

Wholesale = http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/
Retail = http://www.eircom.net/efibreinfo/map/

Retail is used by salespeople who you ring up to order eFibre from and we all trust them to be 100%, bang-on, totally and completely accurate - right? :rolleyes:

The wholesale should be actually be closer to the truth - don't know why though.

mailsanchu · 01-05-2015 07:06PM

mailsanchu wrote: »

Is it certain that the WIP exchanges (turned blue ) got approval for evdsl from comreg ?

Any body know the answer for this question

drunkmonkey · 01-05-2015 10:18PM

Akenny010 wrote: »

The exchanged I'm connected to has finally turned blue & says

ETY1_E01

Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress

Any idea how long this process takes & how long it should take to get an estimated date? Thanks

I spoke to the guy working on my exchange the other day, he reckoned about 4 weeks from when they finish, the put the tarmac back down today so fingers crossed i'll have fiber in the next 6 weeks or so, 480mt from the exchange to my hallway

lucernarian · 02-05-2015 01:09AM

What we might see isntead of lower profiles is cab launched ADSL. Theres room for the cards in a riser if they wanted to do it and COMREG allowed it. In rural areas using cabs as remote ADSL service units could make a big impact.

This is also a consequence of eircom's procurement choice. 192 port DSLAMS, often with many ports unused like in the Dunleer and Termonfeckin exchange areas, while a hundred or so customers who could benefit (especially with the Termonfeckin cabinets) can get nothing. I can't find any absolute technical reasons why VDSL2 couldn't be used at very low speeds with long-line tailored PSD masks (like perhaps using profile 8b) and a willingness by eircom, huawei and ComReg to let it happen.

Most importantly, VDSL2 line cards are backwards-compatible with ADSL2+ anyway!

bk · 02-05-2015 04:53PM

lucernarian, I think and hope that it is just a case of them being focused on the low hanging fruit of high speed VDSL.

I'm hoping that when they complete the VDSL rollout, that they don't just turn all their attention to FTTH and will also look at getting most out of the FTTC cabs too by:

1) Enabling ADSL2+ from the cabs for longer lines.
2) Reroute long lines to closer FTTC cabs.

lucernarian · 03-05-2015 12:16PM

bk wrote: »

lucernarian, I think and hope that it is just a case of them being focused on the low hanging fruit of high speed VDSL.

I'm hoping that when they complete the VDSL rollout, that they don't just turn all their attention to FTTH and will also look at getting most out of the FTTC cabs too by:

1) Enabling ADSL2+ from the cabs for longer lines.
2) Reroute long lines to closer FTTC cabs.

They'd be better off spending the money on more eVDSL than enabling ten lines in the case of one cabinet in Drogheda.

There are some reports I read here that at least 2) is happening but it seems that nowadays there are legal issues with transferring lines to cabinets served by different exchanges, even if it's just an RSU of a nearby exchange. I know that a couple of thousand lines on the southern edge of Drogheda were all collectively transferred to a new exchange and DSLAM in the area engineering headquarters but perhaps a deal was done with BT (the only LLU operator in Drogheda) to cheaply allow LLU access in the new exchange as there were still thousands of lines that could be served. This was several years ago now and I don't have enough info on how those lines were transferred en-masse.

bk · 03-05-2015 01:56PM

lucernarian wrote: »

They'd be better off spending the money on more eVDSL than enabling ten lines in the case of one cabinet in Drogheda.

This isn't just about Drogheda, there are lines all over the country that are more then 2km from a cab, but would get better performance from the cab if it had ADSL2+ enabled.

The priorities should be:
1) deploy VDSL cabs
2) EVDSL
3) reroute cables to closer cabs
4) enable ADSL2+ from cabs

My sisters home is a perfect example of 3, she seems to be just 850 Meters from a cab which for some strange reason it seems her cable passes right by, but doesn't connect to, instead connecting directly to the exchange 2.5km away!

Of course EVDSL is important, however the delay with it doesn't seem to have anything to do with priorities or money, in fact it is pretty cheap to stick a VDSL rack in an exchange. No the issue seems to be regulatory.

I say enable ADSL2+ in cabs is lowest priority, assuming that it isn't a simple throwing of a software switch in the cab to enable it, if it is that simple (if the VDSL cards are backwards compatible with ADSL2+ as some have suggested, then obviously the priority should be increased).

SpaceTime · 03-05-2015 02:04PM

Anyone got this exchange launched service yet?

If so please post speed tests and line stats. I'm curious to see how it compares to FTTC.

Calling it "fibre" is a bit of a stretch though. I don't think that should be allowed as a marketing term. It's exchange launched DSL just like an enhanced version of ADSL. No fibre in the local loop is involved at all.

ED E · 03-05-2015 02:06PM

bk wrote: »

I say enable ADSL2+ in cabs is lowest priority, assuming that it isn't a simple throwing of a software switch in the cab to enable it, if it is that simple (if the VDSL cards are backwards compatible with ADSL2+ as some have suggested, then obviously the priority should be increased).

Thats bound to run in the same objections from LLU operators, probably why they havent tried it already.

bk · 03-05-2015 02:36PM

ED E wrote: »

Thats bound to run in the same objections from LLU operators, probably why they havent tried it already.

Yes, I was thinking the same. Though I do think they should do it from exchanges with no LLU, just like they seem to be doing with EVDSL.

Though I do understand that EVDSL is the priority and one battle at a time.

loyatemu · 03-05-2015 04:08PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

Calling it "fibre" is a bit of a stretch though. I don't think that should be allowed as a marketing term. It's exchange launched DSL just like an enhanced version of ADSL. No fibre in the local loop is involved at all.

It's all copper feeding into fibre backhaul, doesn't really make much difference where the fibre starts.

Having marketed VDSL as "eFibre" I'm curious as to how they will market FTTH when it launches in August - "SuperFibre", "FibrePlus"?

dbit · 04-05-2015 08:18AM

Super ultra mega photon array Quantum light Fiber ? Copyright DBit ( F you Eircom its mine)

bk · 04-05-2015 09:42AM

loyatemu wrote: »

It's all copper feeding into fibre backhaul, doesn't really make much difference where the fibre starts.

Having marketed VDSL as "eFibre" I'm curious as to how they will market FTTH when it launches in August - "SuperFibre", "FibrePlus"?

I think they will simply market it as eFibre 150, eFibre 300 and eFibre 1000 or eFibre Giga, something like that.

Maybe they will call it eFiber+ 150, but they won't stray too far from the eFibre name.

Eircom won't really want to differentiate between VDSL and FTTH. Remember FTTH is much more expensive then VDSL for Eircom and 100Mb/s VDSL is probably plenty fast for most people for the foreseeable future. Eircom will probably want to keep most people on VDSL for as long as possible.

Thus Eircom probably won't want to emphasise too much of a difference between VDSL and FTTH. Instead they will likely just emphasise the different speeds offered and I would assume a price premium for the higher speeds of FTTH.

That way most people will probably happily stay on VDSL and only the high end users like us here on this forum will sign up for FTTH.

Also remember it won't all be FTTH, there will also likely be a mix of FTTDP/G.Fast (last 100 meters copper) and FTTB (Fibre to the building, with the last 100 meters to each apartment being G.Fast over copper or pure ethernet).

So better not call it FTTH, eFibre is a nice generic marketing term for all their very high speed broadband products.

dbit · 04-05-2015 09:58AM

Well the next generation thing is now a dead over flogged horse , so it'll have to be quantum leap, USS enterprise, Dawn of birth bringer , or some from of super branding as they want more attention , a re branding wouldn't do them any harm. Shure whats peg at the local village shop going to care what its called , Tinternet in her eyes .

Gonzo · 04-05-2015 04:39PM

they should have adsl2+ in the cabs would really help many people within 1-2km of the cab get half decent speeds who can't get fibre. In my case I would propably jump up to 15-18meg if adsl2+ was available from nearest cabinet.

Cheerful Spring · 04-05-2015 06:10PM

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

Wholesale = http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/
Retail = http://www.eircom.net/efibreinfo/map/

Retail is used by salespeople who you ring up to order eFibre from and we all trust them to be 100%, bang-on, totally and completely accurate - right? :rolleyes:

The wholesale should be actually be closer to the truth - don't know why though.

Eircom rep told me wholesale is closer to the truth. Retail is just a timeline when they think they'll get started.

The Cush · 06-05-2015 04:44PM

versager wrote: »

So after I rang the eircom sales department, I got the confirmation it's really available for me now. I was told the starting date rollout is 6th of May, my appointment with a technician is planned for the 11th of May. Signed a new 18 month contract straight away, it starts to be valid from the day of upgrade connection.

Today is the 6th, any news from eircom or Comreg?

trompele · 08-05-2015 07:13PM

Domeld can confirm that looks like Gorey evdsl from exchange is going live on 27th may in Gorey.

oleras · 08-05-2015 07:19PM

Seems to be work ongoing of late around Patrickswell Co.Limerick, Pole work is what i have noticed...i.e. guys up poles.

Due initially may 15, now saying summer 15.

Other than the rollout map is there another way to find out if it is actually going ahead ?

Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

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