How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

eviltwin · 04-05-2015 04:29PM

Louise Gentle Gem wrote: »

It's possible to vote No and still find all of the examples above reprehensible.Unbelievable,I know.

I agree with you but can you not see how the attitudes that make people vote No are part of the problem with these kinds of attacks. A yes vote will let people marry but it's about more than that. It's about saying that as a society we respect and value same sex relationships in exactly the same way we do straight ones. It will go a long way to helping the next generation grow up without the hang ups about homosexuality that are so common now.

Bannasidhe · 04-05-2015 04:43PM

Louise Gentle Gem wrote: »

It's possible to vote No and still find all of the examples above reprehensible.Unbelievable,I know.

Like it or not a line has been drawn in the sand. Not just in Ireland but globally.

It's up to each of us to decide which side we choose .

When the votes are counted one's reason doesn't matter. All that matters is which side of the line the chips fall.

Cats fur sale · 04-05-2015 04:46PM

There appears to be a very big distortion with the poll.

Looks like all the alts are coming out of the closet to vote yes. Shameful carry on by the yes crowd to distort and influence a poll as serious as this one is like that.

Shrap · 04-05-2015 04:49PM

Cats fur sale wrote: »

There appears to be a very big distortion with the poll.

Looks like all the alts are coming out of the closet to vote yes. Shameful carry on by the yes crowd to distort and influence a poll as serious as this one is like that.

What's an "alt"? And besides that, what on earth are you talking about?

Ave Sodalis · 04-05-2015 04:49PM

Cats fur sale wrote: »

There appears to be a very big distortion with the poll.

Looks like all the alts are coming out of the closet to vote yes. Shameful carry on by the yes crowd to distort and influence a poll as serious as this one is like that.

Boards Polls are rarely a reflection on actual results. Also, if you see the rest of the thread, you will notice that the reregs and alts are on the No side.

Shrap · 04-05-2015 04:52PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Boards Polls are rarely a reflection on actual results. Also, if you see the rest of the thread, you will notice that the reregs and alts are on the No side.

Seriously, please someone tell me what's an alt?!

B0jangles · 04-05-2015 04:54PM

Shrap wrote: »

Seriously, please someone tell me what's an alt?!

As far as I know it is when someone creates multiple different user accounts, usually to create the illusion that there is greater supoort for their viewpoint that there really is.

Ave Sodalis · 04-05-2015 04:54PM

Shrap wrote: »

Seriously, please someone tell me what's an alt?!

It's an alternative. It's a term more commonly seen in gaming which is just a re-reg. Someone with multiple accounts

Shrap · 04-05-2015 04:55PM

B0jangles wrote: »

As far as I know it is when someone creates multiple different user accounts, usually to create the illusion that there is greater supoort for their viewpoint that there really is.

Oh cheers. That was an odd thing for that poster to say then.

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 04-05-2015 04:55PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Like it or not a line has been drawn in the sand. Not just in Ireland but globally.

It's up to each of us to decide which side we choose .

When the votes are counted one's reason doesn't matter. All that matters is which side of the line the chips fall.

You're right.The fact that huge swathes of the population inhabit the many shades of grey is being ignored though.
I'll vote Yes,but if this thread was reflective of Irish society I'd probably vote No!

B0jangles · 04-05-2015 04:56PM

Shrap wrote: »

Oh cheers. That was an odd thing for that poster to say then.

I suspect there might be a touch of projection going on there :P

timetogo · 04-05-2015 04:56PM

sup_dude wrote: »

It's an alternative. It's a term more commonly seen in gaming which is just a re-reg. Someone with multiple accounts

Kind of ironic that the poster (Cats for sale" saying there are lots of "alts" has 17 posts and over the last few pages (that I could be bothered to check) most posters have hundreds or thousands of posts.

PutDownArtist · 04-05-2015 04:57PM

The Dublin media elite -- Gay Byrne, Brian O'Driscoll and Mrs Cnut's boys -- only strengthen my resolve to vote NO!!

Ave Sodalis · 04-05-2015 04:58PM

PutDownArtist wrote: »

The Dublin media elite -- Gay Byrne, Brian O'Driscoll and Mrs Cnut's boys -- only strengthen my resolve to vote NO!!

We get it, you're voting no.

TheChizler · 04-05-2015 05:00PM

sup_dude wrote: »

We get it, you're voting no.

But they're going to vote no really really hard! That has to be worth more than a regular vote right?

Shrap · 04-05-2015 05:01PM

timetogo wrote: »

Kind of ironic that the post saying there are lots of "alts" has 17 posts and over the last few pages (that I could be bothered to check) most posters have hundreds or thousands of posts.

Well I've been here since 2010 and reregged once (publicly acknowledging my previous name) and I wasn't aware of the use of "alt" as an alternative to rereg. For a new account, someone is pretty knowledgeable about terminology....

Ave Sodalis · 04-05-2015 05:01PM

TheChizler wrote: »

But they're going to vote no really really hard! That has to be worth more than a regular vote right?

Maybe if he says it here often enough :pac:

timetogo · 04-05-2015 05:06PM

Shrap wrote: »

Well I've been here since 2010 and reregged once (publicly acknowledging my previous name) and I wasn't aware of the use of "alt" as an alternative to rereg. For a new account, someone is pretty knowledgeable about terminology....

Yep that was my point. The only poster that looks like they're a new account is the one complaining about new accounts.

WoolyJumper · 04-05-2015 05:07PM

Cats fur sale wrote: »

There appears to be a very big distortion with the poll.

Looks like all the alts are coming out of the closet to vote yes. Shameful carry on by the yes crowd to distort and influence a poll as serious as this one is like that.

What would be the point? The only vote that counts is the one on may 22nd. People aren't going to vote yes because has high level of support on an AH thread. (No offence boards :pac:)

MrWalsh · 04-05-2015 05:09PM

PutDownArtist wrote: »

The Dublin media elite -- Gay Byrne, Brian O'Driscoll and Mrs Cnut's boys -- only strengthen my resolve to vote NO!!

Gay Byrne - I see what ya did there!!

Zaph · 04-05-2015 05:11PM

PutDownArtist wrote: »

The Dublin media elite -- Gay Byrne, Brian O'Driscoll and Mrs Cnut's boys -- only strengthen my resolve to vote NO!!

What if they were all from outside Dublin? Then how would you vote?

Galwayguy35 · 04-05-2015 05:59PM

endacl wrote: »

Y'see? That's the problem. For you personally, marriage is between a man and a woman. For me personally, as a hetero male, and in the unlikely instance I take the plunge, it'll be between me (a man) and a woman. For my gay friends and family though, this is not the case. Also, for the many gay people I don't know and will never meet, this is not the case.

So I'll vote yes. Because that would be the rational action to take. Based on what you posted.

Good for you, Not sure what that last line means.

Had you not your mind made up before this?

Zen65 · 04-05-2015 06:07PM

Cats fur sale wrote: »

There appears to be a very big distortion with the poll.

Looks like all the alts are coming out of the closet to vote yes. Shameful carry on by the yes crowd to distort and influence a poll as serious as this one is like that.

Says a poster with 17 posts!

looksee · 04-05-2015 06:14PM

I was told - quite seriously - by a no-voter that passing the referendum would legalise buggery...and how could the marriage be consummated? I pretty well gave up at that stage.

Zen65 · 04-05-2015 06:17PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I could answer that for me personally marriage is between man and woman but I would be called stupid, thick and a bigot.

Am I right?

You're buying into the argument that the "No" voters are being bullied. You've given your opinion as you are entitled to do.

Granted it's not a well thought-out opinion, because it does not explain why marriage should be between a man and a woman, it merely states the status quo, correctly of course, and then explains that for you personally this is how it is ( . . and though not explained we extrapolate that you believe this is how it should remain).

OK, fine. That's not stupid. It's not deeply insightful but you should not be harassed for having that view.

If you could now explain why you want your personal view enforced on everyone else, that would be a good position from which to start a meaningful debate.

For example, I detest smoking. I've never smoked, and I believe that given the very significant scientific evidence supporting the theory that smoking is harmful that it should be outlawed, or at least contained in a way whereby only the smokers suffer the ill-effects. We've not managed to do that as a society, but we're getting closer to that point. So I believe it is right to introduce laws limiting & prohibiting smoking for the good of society.

Can you explain why your views on limiting marriage in Ireland to heterosexual couples serves a greater good? Because at the end of the day, our constitution has to serve the greater good or else it's just devoid of purpose.

Galwayguy35 · 04-05-2015 06:27PM

Zen65 wrote: »

You're buying into the argument that the "No" voters are being bullied. You've given your opinion as you are entitled to do.

Granted it's not a well thought-out opinion, because it does not explain why marriage should be between a man and a woman, it merely states the status quo, correctly of course, and then explains that for you personally this is how it is ( . . and though not explained we extrapolate that you believe this is how it should remain).

OK, fine. That's not stupid. It's not deeply insightful but you should not be harassed for having that view.

If you could now explain why you want your personal view enforced on everyone else, that would be a good position from which to start a meaningful debate.

For example, I detest smoking. I've never smoked, and I believe that given the very significant scientific evidence supporting the theory that smoking is harmful that it should be outlawed, or at least contained in a way whereby only the smokers suffer the ill-effects. We've not managed to do that as a society, but we're getting closer to that point. So I believe it is right to introduce laws limiting & prohibiting smoking for the good of society.

Can you explain why your views on limiting marriage in Ireland to heterosexual couples serves a greater good? Because at the end of the day, our constitution has to serve the greater good or else it's just devoid of purpose.

Well there has to be a referendum to change it, people have different views on things and mine is different to yours, I see marriage as between man and woman and I've no problem with you and most on here thinking that's a batsh1t crazy way of looking at it.

I've been jumped on since I first posted asking to explain this that and the other, and for what?

I'm not changing my mind on how I'll vote so it's time the yes side just accepted there will be a minority no vote and work on the "don't knows" to get it over the line.

I think we all know it's in the bag for the yes side anyway.

Trudiha · 04-05-2015 06:58PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well there has to be a referendum to change it, people have different views on things and mine is different to yours, I see marriage as between man and woman and I've no problem with you and most on here thinking that's a batsh1t crazy way of looking at it.

It's not that your view is crazy, it's totally reasonable that you don't want to marry another man. I just don't understand why you need to force your view onto me. You might not think that your relationship is the same as mine and that's fine, I don't want or need your personal recommendation, I just want my Missus to have the same legal recognition as yours gets.

I'm not trying to jump on you or stop you having your say but I'd like you to listen to the other side and maybe have a bit of a think about just how much impact it will have on you if my Missus gets the full legal protection given by the Constitution?

It's in no way 'in the bag' that my marriage will be recognised, that we'll get to live in a family home rather than a shared home or that, at some point in the future our relationship will be downgraded again, as it is when we cross the border. The polls showed that the first divorce referendum was a walkover, it didn't happen. The polls showed that the second divorce referendum was a walkover, that passed by only 9000 votes.

It's very close and it's very real for some of us. My marriage might not be right up there with someone who's been married for 60 years but I promise you it's more serious and more long lasting than Britney Spears' first go and it's only Ms Spears I want parity with.

MrWalsh · 04-05-2015 07:04PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I've been jumped on since I first posted asking to explain this that and the other, and for what?

What's with the victim complex? No one has jumped on you. You've been asked questions, last time I checked this is a discussion forum. If you are unwilling to engage enough to say why you think marriage should be between a man and a woman only then that's your problem. The rest of yes will have to assume that either you're afraid to say why or you're just looking for attention. Either way, your point is clear, you want to endorse discrimination against one section of society based on their sexuality.

Knit wit · 04-05-2015 07:41PM

I had initially intended to vote yes but now I'm not so sure. I have been thinking long and hard about this - I feel that the link in our constitution between marriage and family is unfair. How many single parents out there are raising children alone who are not 'families'. Do they have the same legal protections that homosexual couples currently have? Should we redefine marriage entirely or our reliance on same to define family? I haven't fully decided how I will vote ... I will give it serious thought until polling day.

Ave Sodalis · 04-05-2015 07:45PM

Knit wit wrote: »

I had initially intended to vote yes but now I'm not so sure. I have been thinking long and hard about this - I feel that the link in our constitution between marriage and family is unfair. How many single parents out there are raising children alone who are not 'families'. Do they have the same legal protections that homosexual couples currently have? Should we redefine marriage entirely or our reliance on same to define family? I haven't fully decided how I will vote ... I will give it serious thought until polling day.

Family isn't defined in the Constitution so can include just a couple without children. Really, it's more about the two adults in the relationship. AFAIK, children automatically have rights and are regarded as family so it doesn't affect single parents unless they find a same sex partner.

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