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ANPR motor insurance database pulled

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  • #32
    carzony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭carzony


    Melodeon wrote: »
    Regarding PULSE, the CSO don't trust the data supplied to them from it by the Gardai:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/cso-may-delay-crime-figures-over-concerns-on-garda-data-1.2004644
    http://www.thejournal.ie/crime-statistics-delayed-2032184-Apr2015/

    ...and the 'data' it contains in relation to firearms and their licencing is deeply suspect too, see this (very long) thread over in the Shooting forum:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057326486

    I'd be sceptical of how accurate it is about anything, never mind motor vehicles :(

    I think they may be better going back to pen and paper:p


  • #33
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,576 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    rtethisweek radio piece http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#!type=radio&rii=9%3A20773215%3A72%3A03%2D05%2D2015%3A

    goov blaming insurance companies for not notifying part payment of insurance

    do they not a have a toggle for, its being paid versus it they don't have insurance.


  • #34
    R.O.R
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    Bigus wrote: »

    An awful lot of uninsured cars are driven here by fully insured drivers , ie motor trade policy holders , fleet policy holders with open drive , transport companies , etc etc.

    The NFD should cover all those cases, but I doubt too many people bother to keep that fully up to date, which is probably part of the problem.


  • #35
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    So, basically bring your insurance cert in the car.

    Don't like doing that, fear of break ins


  • #36
    Bigus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭Bigus


    R.O.R wrote: »
    The NFD should cover all those cases, but I doubt too many people bother to keep that fully up to date, which is probably part of the problem.

    You'd have to employ an extra administrator in a garage just to put car regs on and off the database, very expensive overhead.

    On a more pertinent note , while I'm all for everybody obeying the law,

    I personally don't agree with the UK 's big brother, cctv approach,

    We are fundamentally a different country, with different values so hopefully we are not going down that road,

    The worst examples of UK cctv are the draconian bus lane enforcement rules , where people stopping to assist cardiac arrest have been punished along with councils breaking the law with regard to proper signage for bus lanes.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2718809/Council-criticised-new-CCTV-camera-catches-700-drivers-day-bus-lanes-netting-600-000-fines-just-two-weeks.html


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  • #37
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    FFS .. I can stick in a dogs chip number into a european search page and find the details of its owner, can't see why they can't do the same for Insurance Details


  • #38
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,576 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    so they blamed Insurance Ireland but no response from them?


  • #39
    visual
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    so they blamed Insurance Ireland but no response from them?

    Insurance is a big corporate business they aren't interested in providing a service or doing what's morally right.

    They jump on any bandwagon that helps justify increases premiums, minimum effort maximum return but that's it.

    Anyway no one has asked the obvious question yet how many million was sunk into this without anyone realising the information wasn't there.
    Would have been better employing more garda to do the work instead of automating it.


  • #40
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,108 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    So, basically bring your insurance cert in the car.

    Don't like doing that, fear of break ins

    Doesn't make any difference if you carry the cert or produce it 10 days later at the station, the Gardaí have no way of knowing if it's valid unless they call the insurance company and there's probably laws against them doing that.
    visual wrote: »

    Anyway no one has asked the obvious question yet how many million was sunk into this without anyone realising the information wasn't there.
    Would have been better employing more garda to do the work instead of automating it.

    A Garda at a checkpoint would have the exact same issues as the ANPR as the system works it just doesn't have the data.

    It still works for Motortax, till the case quoted above is resolved, so it's not a complete waste of money and it wouldn't require too much action from the government to force insurance companies to provide a real time database to the Gardaí, since they already have it in the UK and are all insurance companies operate internationality.


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