[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

Big Ears · 03-05-2015 07:29PM

Bubolor wrote: »

There should be rounds that are scored 10-6 for example.

If that's a reference to Pacquiao vs Marquez I then I tip my hat to you sir.
If not, then I'm quite disappointed.....

I suppose you could compare the fight to James Joyce's Ulysses. To those not too well educated in that area it's just impossible to appreciate. To those educated in the area, well even they're massively split over whether it's any bloody good.

It wasn't an exciting fight, but I did personally enjoy it, and unlike most I will actually be looking forward to Floyd's next fight in December (unless it's Cotto again).

efb · 03-05-2015 07:29PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I think that's extreme unless one fighter scores three knockdowns...then it's okay. There have been instances of a 10-8 round without a knockdown which is okay at times but I think if they placed more of an emphasis not being afraid to give even rounds.

If a guy is down 3 times in the one round. I'd question why the fight was continuing

magma69 · 03-05-2015 07:30PM

Who would you like to see Mayweather fight next?

Him v Cotto at a catchweight for the lineal 160 belt would be bullshít. Cotto could lose to Geale next anyways.

Thurman would be an awesome fight but I'm not sure if he's enough of a name yet.
Khan doesn't deserve a fight with Mayweather.
Brook would be a decent fight.
Danny Garcia doesn't do much for me. He's arguably lost 2 of his last 3 fights.
Bradley would give Mayweather a good fight I reckon.

Talib Fiasco · 03-05-2015 07:31PM

efb wrote: »

If a guy is down 3 times in the one round. I'd question why the fight was continuing

The three knockdown rule is bad in a way. Some guys just get knocked down very easily but are never really hurt. Marquez and Rigondeaux are two great examples.

Big Ears · 03-05-2015 07:33PM

efb wrote: »

If a guy is down 3 times in the one round. I'd question why the fight was continuing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx9jzsPv1l8

because Juanma's a ****ing hero !

Ian Darke early in the broadcast: You could of got a ticket for the equivalent of £28.....what a contrast !

efb · 03-05-2015 07:34PM

Big Ears wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx9jzsPv1l8
because Juanma's a ****ing hero !

Ian Darke early in the broadcast: You could of got a ticket for the equivalent of £28.....what a contrast !

Don't be a hero Billy

ebbsy · 03-05-2015 07:40PM

Had to laugh at Sting. Doubt he even knew who was fighting.

Freddie Roach has to take a good portion of the blame for last nights defeat. No point in letting Mayweather take control in the centre of the ring, or let your fighter throw a punch or two and then stop.

Talib Fiasco · 03-05-2015 07:45PM

efb wrote: »

In one round?

Marquez yes, Rigo not yet but the point being fighters should be given the benefit of the doubt. Rigo and Marquez have been down lots and I have never ever seen them badly hurt after a KD.

Martinez was another, knocked down three times but one was a clear slip. Even though Cotto ended up battering him, there would have been uproar had he lost on TKO due to that. I think the ref stopping a fight is a far more accurate measure as he judges his responsiveness and not his ability to not land on his @ss.

A great example from the past is Archie Moore-Yvon Durelle. Moore was knocked down three times in the first, another time in the fifth but came back to knowck Durelle out in the 11th. Some lads just cannot stay on their feet but it doesn't affect them too bad

RoryMac · 03-05-2015 07:48PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Had to laugh at Sting. Doubt he even knew who was fighting.

Freddie Roach has to take a good portion of the blame for last nights defeat. No point in letting Mayweather take control in the centre of the ring, or let your fighter throw a punch or two and then stop.

I'd love to hear Roach explain the game plan going into the fight and how they planned to close distance on Mayweather to get their shots off.

ebbsy · 03-05-2015 07:50PM

And now they are wheeling out the David Haye excuses, ie I have an injury.

Mmm wasn't that fight very similar in terms one fighter allowing the other to implement their plan to the full.

Chrissybhoy · 03-05-2015 08:12PM

ebbsy wrote: »

And now they are wheeling out the David Haye excuses, ie I have an injury.

Mmm wasn't that fight very similar in terms one fighter allowing the other to implement their plan to the full.

That fight was actually very similar

Ardent · 03-05-2015 08:21PM

froog wrote: »

i really really wanted manny to win like a lot of people. mayweather won this fight by a distance though. i thought he was superb to be honest. manny didn't look himself at all, chiefly when he was landing combos he would stop and back off for some reason, whereas the manny of old would have continued the flurry for 10 seconds more. he was way too cagey. the only way he was ever going to win this fight was by going all in. i have no real interest in a rematch either to be honest, i don't think there's any questions left unanswered.

Just re-watched the fight. It's quite clear that Pacquiao is past it at 36, he just doesn't have the legs or gas anymore to go all-in. And that's the biggest part of his game. I also think that the Marquez knockout may have left him a little gun shy.

Very clever by Mayweather to delay this match-up until now.

Chrissybhoy · 03-05-2015 08:31PM

Ardent wrote: »

Just re-watched the fight. It's quite clear that Pacquiao is past it at 36, he just doesn't have the legs or gas anymore to go all-in. And that's the biggest part of his game. I also think that the Marquez knockout may have left him a little gun shy.

Very clever by Mayweather to delay this match-up until now.

Very clear Mayweather is past it too hasnt got the power like he had early in his career or doesn't throw the combos and punches like he used too. Gets tagged a bit more these days. Still gets through fights easy says a lot for him

keeponhurling · 03-05-2015 09:40PM

I think what is really disappointing about this "super fight" is that one boxer was an almost unbackable favourite, and expectedly won with relative ease.

If this fight took place 5 years ago it would have been a tough one to call, no doubt would have manys a debate over who might win and why.

It may be possible to get past Floyd's defence with relentlessness and throwing combos with speed. But Manny of 2015 doesn't bring this to the party anymore.

At least with the likes of Eubank v Benn, you weren't sure who was going to win

Deiseboy01 · 03-05-2015 09:45PM

RoryMac wrote: »

I'd love to hear Roach explain the game plan going into the fight and how they planned to close distance on Mayweather to get their shots off.

I wonder what the impact of Roach s condition is having on his ability as a trainer? He's looking very bad these days. Got a couple of seconds view of him last night taking Manny on the pads and Manny hit him and nearly spun him around. Surely has to be impacting, anyone know more, I'll admit I'm not as informed as I should be.

froog · 03-05-2015 10:49PM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

I wonder what the impact of Roach s condition is having on his ability as a trainer? He's looking very bad these days. Got a couple of seconds view of him last night taking Manny on the pads and Manny hit him and nearly spun him around. Surely has to be impacting, anyone know more, I'll admit I'm not as informed as I should be.

i'd say he has plenty of lads to do the pads with him and roach only does it the odd time for the cameras.

dodderangler · 03-05-2015 11:32PM

Shoulder injury or not manny was never gonna knock mayweather out.
He was still the more aggressive fighter no doubt but mayweather knew what he was doing.
A boring but a well won bout.
Heard mayweather apparently made 3million dollars a minute

Kev M · 04-05-2015 12:11AM

Good performance from Floyd, he did enough to win comfortably. Regarding Manny's shoulder injury... it's nonsense and any other fighter would be slaughtered if they used that as an excuse. If Floyd had of lost and said that... forget about it.

In the build-up there was no mention of it - in fact Roach and Manny seemed confident of the KO...

Like I predicted earlier in the thread, Floyd took away his left hand, exposed his necessity to fight at mid-range, and out-boxed him when he was forced to start thinking. Overall I enjoyed the fight, and this rivalry finally being laid to rest, however Floyd is deteriorating before our eyes and I believe should hang it up now. Khan or Thurman would be dangerous fights....

The Diabolical Monocle · 04-05-2015 12:15AM

spent all day hiding from the result.

found a good long highlight reel on youtube,

one with none of the usual visit a link and download a virus in Russian and a thing that doesn't work bullsht.

good as the real thing, didn't cost 100 dollars, didnt have to stay up til 5am. All I had to do was hid under the bed all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4Z8imdxek

Talib Fiasco · 04-05-2015 12:18AM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

spent all day hiding from the result.

found a good long highlight reel on youtube,

one with none of the usual visit a link and download a virus in Russian and a thing that doesn't work bullsht.

good as the real thing, didn't cost 100 dollars, didnt have to stay up til 5am. All I had to do was hid under the bed all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4Z8imdxek

You hardly lasted the whole day without not knowing the result? It was practically mentioned on every website today including YouTube. Fair play if you did though!

The Diabolical Monocle · 04-05-2015 12:46AM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

You hardly lasted the whole day without not knowing the result? It was practically mentioned on every website today including YouTube. Fair play if you did though!

Yip.

made it, avoided all news sites. Saw one youtube thumbnail with a pic of mayweather holding his hand up in victory and thought fvck, but then saw another later with manny doing the same.

some small bits/clues got to me but overall the result was a mystery at the end. stayed offline for a lot of the day.

hard to do though. probably a lot harder on a weekday.

qwabercd · 04-05-2015 03:43AM

Mellor wrote: »

Mayweather won, I said after the final bell that 115-113 is the best Manny can hope for. So 116-112 is about right from two if the judges.

But 118-110 was a ridiculous score.

Such a lack of utter understanding. For me floyd win 8 rounds. You could argue 5 for manny but its really pushing it it. How someone could see 118 -110 as ridiculous is a simple lack of knowledge. There were quite clearly 8 rounds you could easily say mayweather won, and i say that begrudgingly.

Panic E · 04-05-2015 04:05AM

It wasn't a bad fight by any means but disappointing yes.

What are peoples thoughts on Pacquiao's shoulder injury?

It was never going to live up to the hype in any case but.

Mellor · 04-05-2015 05:36AM

qwabercd wrote: »

Such a lack of utter understanding. For me floyd win 8 rounds. You could argue 5 for manny but its really pushing it it. How someone could see 118 -110 as ridiculous is a simple lack of knowledge. There were quite clearly 8 rounds you could easily say mayweather won, and i say that begrudgingly.

118-110 is 10 rounds Mayweather, not 8.

I said in my post that 8-4 was prob the right score. I've no issue with giving Mayweather 8 rounds. That makes it 116-112.

Mellor · 04-05-2015 05:50AM

menoscemo wrote: »

I had it 118-111. I gave Manny the 4th and the 8th and a share of the 3rd and I put a Q mark at the 3rd to say if pushed I'd have given that to Mayweather too. I can see you could argue Pacman won 4 rounds but no more than that. The punch stats prove that IMO.

All 3 judges gave him the 6th (and the 4th).
I'm not say he deserved to win, he didnt. I'm just saying that only 2 rounds was harsh.
None of them gave him the 8th btw.

I haven't seen rd by rd puching stats yet. Have they been released?
If not that the overall punching stats are meaningless in terms of scoring rounds.

Panic E · 04-05-2015 05:54AM

I think the fight was closer than the scorecards for sure.

As for Manny 'not being humble' and thinking he won?

He did chase the bigger guy around the ring all night.

Panic E · 04-05-2015 06:11AM

Have to say I agree with every word of this

Charlie Haughy wrote: »

Congratulations Mayweather, you got what you wanted; a Manny Pacquiao that clearly is far past his prime and is a shell of his former self. You just got paid 200 million dollars to run and go backwards, and cherry pick a fight that should have happened 5 years ago, because you knew you would have lost. What a ****ing travesty for boxing fans. We were robbed of a fight we deserved, because you're so scared of that undefeated record being broken.

I'll admit, Mayweather did win this fight on the score cards, but I can't respect you at all. I can't put you with the greats. Anyone who thinks this is "defense" or being a "technician" is a ****ing idiot. Sure, dancing around and running will win you decisions, but you're still a bitch. How can anyone root for this man or think he's great? He's a pussy. Congrats on ducking Manny until you knew you would win.

That's not boxing to me, there's more than just winning and a great record when it comes to being a great, you have to go toe to toe and actually fight other greats to solidify yourself as better thant hat man. And I watched it, Flloyd was his same old self. He is scared to go toe to toe. Sure, what he did is smart to win on score cards and keep that undefeated record, and logically the objective is to win; but I can't respect that strategy or put him up there with the greats. Anyone who thinks that was a good fight or Mayweather was great is fooling themselves.

I won't lie, Manny looked awful also, his former self had fury in his punches and was just as fast as Mayweather. Pacquiao used to be active and move his feet. It's sad to see such a great look so bad, but Flloyd knew this would happen and ducked all these years. It's no secret that he avoided him when they were in their prime, that's well documented. I'm just pissed for myself and all boxing fans, we were robbed of a great fight.

Except for half of the last sentence, no emotion here. I'm glad the fight was made and glad it's over now.

I have been pissed the last 5 years though. Someone said the comment was borne of jealousy, lol at that.

Chrissybhoy · 04-05-2015 07:24AM

Can anyone see that Floyd is a shadow of his former self. It's all if he took the fight 5/6 year Mayweather was a better fight then as well and would of beating manny even more convincingly

rebelomar · 04-05-2015 07:49AM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Can anyone see that Floyd is a shadow of his former self. It's all if he took the fight 5/6 year Mayweather was a better fight then as well and would of beating manny even more convincingly

Amazed by the lack of respect Floyd has gotten after the fight. I genuinely feel people both fans and people in the game wanted Pacman to win so badly that it has seriously clouded their judgement.

Deiseboy01 · 04-05-2015 08:10AM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I think that's extreme unless one fighter scores three knockdowns...then it's okay. There have been instances of a 10-8 round without a knockdown which is okay at times but I think if they placed more of an emphasis not being afraid to give even rounds.

I was thinking about the current scoring system and it is too dependent on winning rounds not the fight if you get my drift. The likes of Floyd can pick up rounds with one or two jabs which leads to boring fights.

At present all rounds are equal, barring a knock down, this is clearly wrong, I know rounds can be marked 10/8 without the knock down but how often are they? You can win a round on one exchange or on ten but by the end of the fight its still 19/19 when you count them up.

What if judges were asked to score rounds on five criteria, effective aggression, ring generalship, defensive ability etc. Ten points for each. Then a fighter winning a round convincingly would reap the rewards. It would also incentivise fighting rather than running and holding.

Im sure there are many flaws, would be interested to get opinions from the more knowledgeable on here.

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