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  • #32
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,567 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Victor wrote: »
    My point is the arrestee doesn't want or even know they are entitled to Irish citizenship. The other posters are saying it is forced upon him.
    Only in the sense that citizenship is "forced" on anyone who gets it automatically, which of coufse is the great majority of us. I got my Australian citizenship by applying to be naturalised, but my Irish citizenship was "forced" on me. And then, to add insult to injury, because I was forced to be an Irish citizen the right to freedom of movement and freedom of establishment throughout the EU was fprced upon me. And, every time a new member state joins, they force an extension of this right on me.

    Should I be upset about this? Because, you know, I'm not.


  • #33
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,731 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Only in the sense that citizenship is "forced" on anyone who gets it automatically, which of coufse is the great majority of us. I got my Australian citizenship by applying to be naturalised, but my Irish citizenship was "forced" on me. And then, to add insult to injury, because I was forced to be an Irish citizen the right to freedom of movement and freedom of establishment throughout the EU was fprced upon me. And, every time a new member state joins, they force an extension of this right on me.

    Should I be upset about this? Because, you know, I'm not.
    Wait until there is a war and you get drafted by a country that decides you are a citizen based on an accident of birth.


  • #34
    234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭234


    Victor wrote: »
    Wait until there is a war and you get drafted by a country that decides you are a citizen based on an accident of birth.

    Remind me, when was the last time that Ireland had conscription?


  • #35
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,567 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Victor wrote: »
    Wait until there is a war and you get drafted by a country that decides you are a citizen based on an accident of birth.
    I think most people's analysis of that scenario is that the imposition is not the citizenship, but the conscription!


  • #36
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Only in the sense that citizenship is "forced" on anyone who gets it automatically, which of coufse is the great majority of us. I got my Australian citizenship by applying to be naturalised, but my Irish citizenship was "forced" on me. And then, to add insult to injury, because I was forced to be an Irish citizen the right to freedom of movement and freedom of establishment throughout the EU was fprced upon me. And, every time a new member state joins, they force an extension of this right on me.

    Should I be upset about this? Because, you know, I'm not.
    The travesty, the travesty

    Don't forget, your EU citizenship was also forced on you.


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  • #37
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Victor wrote: »
    Wait until there is a war and you get drafted by a country that decides you are a citizen based on an accident of birth.

    If you have dual nationality because you naturalised, you are also a candidate for the draft! Never stopped America years ago.... civil war, world war... Vietnam, they were happy to take up non American born Americans (okay, no draft for Vietnam bUT there was a pressure to join)


  • #38
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    I think most people's analysis of that scenario is that the imposition is not the citizenship, but the conscription!

    We are talking about Ireland, Irish citizenship.Not other countries. Your fears are not relevant here.


  • #39
    Dandelion6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Dandelion6


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    The USA is not a good example as the Suprem Court in the USA has a number of rulings on that issue and dual citizenship is allowed in certain circumstances.

    Those circumstances being, essentially, that the person intends to retain their US citizenship while also holding the citizenship of another country. You would pretty much have to commit treason against the US while serving in a policy-level position in the other country's government before the US would decide you were not allowed to be a dual citizen.

    Regarding consular access, I concur with Peregrinus. Prisoners are entitled to request it, but if the embassy/consulate declines to provide it, and they sometimes do, there's f-all the prisoner can do about it.


  • #40
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,731 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    but I can't imagine that the consul will drop everything and rush to FitzGibbon Street barracks
    Consul is a particular rank. It need not be someone of that rank.
    Peregrinus wrote: »
    but I can't imagine that the consul will drop everything and rush to FitzGibbon Street barracks
    Not least because it is closed. :)
    Dandelion6 wrote: »
    Regarding consular access, I concur with Peregrinus. Prisoners are entitled to request it, but if the embassy/consulate declines to provide it, and they sometimes do, there's f-all the prisoner can do about it.
    The sergeant in the station has no say in this - the arrestee is entitled to consular support and it isn't for the sergeant to deny it solely on the basis of where the person was.
    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    If you have dual nationality because you naturalised, you are also a candidate for the draft!
    Nobody is discussing naturalisation, so I'm not sure why it is being raised.
    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    okay, no draft for Vietnam bUT there was a pressure to join
    Um ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_%281969%29
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States


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