Cork lads wore Hitler masks on a stag party in Prague.

somefeen · 01-05-2015 11:31AM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

The Czechs can feel free to have as many stag parties as they want in my father's pub dressed as the Cairo Gang, because I refuse to be offended by references to the events of last century.

The past century?
There is still a living generation that was affected deeply by the holocaust and thats been passed down to their children.
Just because you wont be offended by someone impersonating the tans etc doesnt mean these people shouldn't be offended. I'd hate to go out for a drink and have to see the figure head of a process that tore my grandparents families apart and left them traumatised.

ohnonotgmail · 01-05-2015 11:32AM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

What? Your argument is that genocide only becomes offensive after a given number.

What does recognition have to do with it? Wearing the masks is either a condemnable act ab initio or not at all.

recognition is entirely relevant. if nobody knows what it is a mask represents then you are just a clown wearing a random mask

Fratton Fred · 01-05-2015 11:33AM

Some people really are stupid.

mikemac1 · 01-05-2015 11:33AM

Prague is a great sport, sounds like they had a gas time

the nikkei is rising · 01-05-2015 11:34AM

somefeen wrote: »

The past century?
There is still a living generation that was affected deeply by the holocaust and thats been passed down to their children.
Just because you wont be offended by someone impersonating the tans etc doesnt mean these people shouldn't be offended. I'd hate to go out for a drink and have to see the figure head of a process that tore my grandparents families apart and left them traumatised.

I'd hate to go out and see the figurehead too, but Hitler wasn't sitting in the bar.

Dunford · 01-05-2015 11:35AM

shame shame shame

the nikkei is rising · 01-05-2015 11:35AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

recognition is entirely relevant. if nobody knows what it is a mask represents then you are just a clown wearing a random mask

So there's nothing wrong with wearing a Hitler mask in Prague, but the issue arises when you've been spotted with a Hitler mask in Prague.

ohnonotgmail · 01-05-2015 11:41AM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

So there's nothing wrong with wearing a Hitler mask in Prague, but the issue arises when you've been spotted with a Hitler mask in Prague.

you need to read what i said again.

the nikkei is rising · 01-05-2015 11:49AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you need to read what i said again.

''recognition is entirely relevant. if nobody knows what it is a mask represents then you are just a clown wearing a random mask''

Recognition is relevant - the face that the mask represents must be identifiable

'if nobody knows what it is a mask represents then you are just a clown wearing a random mask' - In the event the face the mask represents is not identifiable, the mask loses all it's offensive power.

So the issue of causing offence does not arise from the wearing of a mask but rather from being spotted by someone who knows who Hitler is.

ohnonotgmail · 01-05-2015 11:52AM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

''recognition is entirely relevant. if nobody knows what it is a mask represents then you are just a clown wearing a random mask''

Recognition is relevant - the face that the mask represents must be identifiable

'if nobody knows what it is a mask represents then you are just a clown wearing a random mask' - In the event the face the mask represents is not identifiable, the mask loses all it's offensive power.

So the issue of causing offence does not arise from the wearing of a mask but rather from being spotted by someone who knows who Hitler is.

is there anybody who doesnt know who hitler is? if there are it must be a very small and select group. As small and select a group as those who would recognise a mask of any of the cairo gang.

Nollog · 01-05-2015 11:56AM

I don't get it.

The touching of barmaids is common on stags, and they should be told off for it if she's not enjoying the tips they leave her.

The nazi apparal is insensitive, but doesn't harm anyone. They seem to be wearing the outfit as a joke, which is a good thing.
The more the killing of millions of people becomes a joke, the less likely people are to vote for someone who says he wants to rid their country of a certain group of people.

It'd be much more worrying or repulsive if they were walking into parliament wearing it.

the nikkei is rising · 01-05-2015 12:00PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is there anybody who doesnt know who hitler is? if there are it must be a very small and select group. As small and select a group as those who would recognise a mask of any of the cairo gang.

That's immaterial, wearing a mask of figure X is either insensitive or it isn't. You're trying to tell me that it would be ok if they wore Mehmet Talaat masks because less people would recognise him.

ohnonotgmail · 01-05-2015 12:02PM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

That's immaterial, wearing a mask of figure X is either insensitive or it isn't. You're trying to tell me that it would be ok if they wore Mehmet Talaat masks because less people would recognise him.

i'm sure it wouldnt be ok in armenia.

shroom007 · 01-05-2015 12:03PM

wheres the wedding on sounds like its gonna be a riot, whats the dress code Mick Mc Carty masks all round and a long line of blokes waiting to slap the bride on the ar*e,fu*cking muck savages

Electric Sheep · 01-05-2015 12:03PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

I don't get it.

The touching of barmaids is common on stags, and they should be told off for it if she's not enjoying the tips they leave her.

Classy.

Irish people are not noted for their tipping habits, whether they grope the waitress or not.

Arsemageddon · 01-05-2015 12:09PM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

I accept your apoligies(sic)

The only thing worse than a real Nazi is a grammar Nazi.

They're not entirely different at all especially in the case of Trevelyan, the only substantive difference is the length of time that's passed.

The length of time that has elapsed is not the only difference, though obviously the fact that the German occupation of the Czech Republic is within living memory is significant. There is also the extreme racist ideology that underpinned Nazism (against both Slavs and Jews) the systematic acts of genocide perpetrated against these two groups, their exploitation as slave labour, the pillaging of their country from 1936 onward, and the fact that the Nazi occupation led to the subsequent Soviet occupation.

Trust me on this, your original analogy was really, really sh1t.

ohnonotgmail · 01-05-2015 12:13PM

Arsemageddon wrote: »

The only thing worse than a real Nazi is a grammar Nazi.

The length of time that has elapsed is not the only difference, though obviously the fact that the German occupation of the Czech Republic is within living memory is significant. There is also the extreme racist ideology that underpinned Nazism (against both Slavs and Jews) the systematic acts of genocide perpetrated against these two groups, their exploitation as slave labour, the pillaging of their country from 1936 onward, and the fact that the Nazi occupation led to the subsequent Soviet occupation.

Trust me on this, your original analogy was really, really sh1t.

but apart from that it was spot on through, right?

The Backwards Man · 01-05-2015 12:13PM

Got a laugh from a journal comment for once.

If they didn't know about the war, did they just ask for a mask of a random 40s German with a moustache in the costume shop?

Nollog · 01-05-2015 12:13PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

Classy.

Irish people are not noted for their tipping habits, whether they grope the waitress or not.

Yes, I'm leaving it up to the woman to decide if she wants to use her gender to get more tips or not.

01-05-2015 12:16PM

Whats the big fuss? Sounds like every stag I've ever been on

Realt Dearg Sec · 01-05-2015 12:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whats the big fuss? Sounds like every stag I've ever been on

Sounds like you've been on stags with a massive load of total cünts.

Plazaman · 01-05-2015 12:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats the big fuss? Sounds like every stag I've ever been on

Ya, sure a bit of sexual assault on waitresses and verbal abuse of the elderly should be part and parcel of all stags. :rolleyes:

vicwatson · 01-05-2015 12:58PM

Bimbos

Bubbaclaus · 01-05-2015 01:06PM

I would lose my job if I was named and shamed involved in this. Hopefully this happens to them.

Who am I kidding...none of them probably even have a job

CarrickMcJoe · 01-05-2015 01:10PM

Is Jeremy Clarkeson the father of the bride ?

walkingshadow · 01-05-2015 01:13PM

Guys, upon reading this thread I decided to do some research into this guy 'Hitler'. By all accounts he seems to have been a fairly friendly guy.

Fratton Fred · 01-05-2015 01:18PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

Yes, I'm leaving it up to the woman to decide if she wants to use her gender to get more tips or not.

sounds like your leaving it up to a group of drunk men to decide that a waitress is fair game because they left her a tip.

Dr Strange · 01-05-2015 01:25PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Got a laugh from a journal comment for once.

If they didn't know about the war, did they just ask for a mask of a random 40s German with a moustache in the costume shop?

They probably asked for a 30's-40's classic comedian of the silent movie era; you know who I mean: small of stature and with a funny mustache....the shop owner saw an opportunity to get rid of all his Hitler masks which he bought on whim (thought it was a good idea at the time, probably after a night on the sauce). He must have seen them coming.

Streetwalker · 01-05-2015 01:37PM

Geniass wrote: »

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/maidanek.htm

YOU could probably do no better thing today than to educate yourself re the above.

Yeah because ive never heard of the second world war :pac:

The Backwards Man · 01-05-2015 01:40PM

Preusse wrote: »

They probably asked for a 30's-40's classic comedian of the silent movie era; you know who I mean: small of stature and with a funny mustache....the shop owner saw an opportunity to get rid of all his Hitler masks which he bought on whim (thought it was a good idea at the time, probably after a night on the sauce). He must have seen them coming.

A likely story:pac:

Maybe they thought it was this guy?

Cork lads wore Hitler masks on a stag party in Prague.

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