Bus strike

ThreepwoodG · 01-05-2015 10:22AM

Oh they are always on Strike... Whats going on?

suicide_circus · 01-05-2015 10:26AM

cloud493 wrote: »

I was quite annoyed, till I was told that since my location, I can have a paid day off now I just need to find something to do.

Wow! Generous employer, who do you work for?

Zxclnic · 01-05-2015 10:28AM

Specialun wrote: »

Spot the CIE worker

Just because he's not a 'foaming at the mouth' union basher - like most on this thread appear to be - doesn't necessarily mean that he's an employee of either Dublin Bus or Bus Èireann. He might even be supportive of workers in general and their right to use their collective strength to negotiate with their employers, or, horror of horrors, he might even be in favour of this specific strike. Imagine that!
More power to the bus drivers, I wish them well.

Specialun · 01-05-2015 10:34AM

Zxclnic wrote: »

Just because he's not a 'foaming at the mouth' union basher - like most on this thread appear to be - doesn't necessarily mean that he's an employee of either Dublin Bus or Bus Èireann. He might even be supportive of workers in general and their right to use their collective strength to negotiate with their employers, or, horror of horrors, he might even be in favour of this specific strike. Imagine that!
More power to the bus drivers, I wish them well.

Sarcasm is clearly lost on you

KomradeBishop · 01-05-2015 10:36AM

Oh

That one was a bit lost on me too.

dfx- · 01-05-2015 10:38AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Hope Dublin bus runs the unions into the ground with this one, they are so out of touch it's unbelievable.

There will never be progression in anything related to public transport while there are unions involved.

Dublin Bus are mostly the middleman in this one. It's basically a fight between the NTA and drivers. It would be massively in DBs interests for the drivers to go back.

noway12345 · 01-05-2015 10:39AM

I support the bus drivers. You'll all be glad to hear that I'm sure.

WoollyRedHat · 01-05-2015 10:40AM

When I look at the likes of the 59 or the 111 which are up for tender on that list, it's a joke that they're still in existence. Half the time they are empty and when they do have people on it, the core demographic that uses them are those who would not have to pay: read OAPS etc.

So these routes make no actual profit and are often ghost buses.

Those who use Dublin Bus every day and year on year have had to put up with price increases are bascially subsidising loss making routes, why should we? They shouldn't even be up for tender, they should of been abolished ages ago.

Routes up for tender:http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/12/routes.jpg

Apparently Irish Rail are carrying out works this weekend as well. If Carlsberg did timing...

Zebra3 · 01-05-2015 10:41AM

somesoldiers wrote: »

nice to see Irishrail picking up the slack anyhow, with extra trains/ carraiges....not. The 7.15 Maynooth to Connolly was choc-a-bloc by the time it hit Ashtown, with dangerous levels of overcrowding and I left an hour earlier than I normally do, shudder to think what it's like now

Apparently the reason that train was so full was because of people leaving an hour earlier than normal. :pac:

The_B_Man · 01-05-2015 10:43AM

If I hadnt' been told about the strike, I wouldnt have noticed. If anything, the LUAS was a bit emptier this morning. That was after 9.

A_Sober_Paddy · 01-05-2015 10:43AM

This strike affects all bus journeys in Ireland yeah? Need to get to Shannon tomorrow evening...

SterlingArcher · 01-05-2015 10:44AM

I'm confused, aren't Dublin bus agreeing to get its drivers that are on the set routes that are not making money. to transfer to working the route for a private company. And if the private company on the same route loses money ( don't see how it won't) and route has to get wound down... Its bye bye driver?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

WoollyRedHat · 01-05-2015 10:45AM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

This strike affects all bus journeys in Ireland yeah? Need to get to Shannon tomorrow evening...

Affects some CIE routes too I think.

noway12345 · 01-05-2015 10:45AM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

This strike affects all bus journeys in Ireland yeah? Need to get to Shannon tomorrow evening...

You better start walking now so.

punisher5112 · 01-05-2015 10:47AM

See this is how they get in off load the bad routes to make it look like ah sure db and be are grand but wait what routes go up next time of course all the good ones.

Whether db or be is driving these routes they are been kept so makes no sense to change as will cost the same and quite possibly more with a private operator as they must make money.

Db and be would lose and lose a fortune on these routes but are provided for the community and also I believe it is great that the service is there especially for the oap's.

WoollyRedHat · 01-05-2015 11:00AM

I think there are better ways that we can facilitate OAPS and the like that are in need of transport, through the use of car sharing schemes and on demand transport.

UCDVet · 01-05-2015 11:10AM

Dublin Bus is awful. I'm not blaming the drivers or the management or anything else, but as a whole, it's awful. And the near annual strike threats only serve to remind it's riders they can't trust that the bus will show up.

I stopped using Dublin Bus ~3 years ago. Best decision I ever made. I just wish we'd stop throwing away perfectly good tax money to keep this company afloat. If it were a private company, it'd have gone out of business years ago and been replaced with a better one.

LuckyLloyd · 01-05-2015 11:12AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

When I look at the likes of the 59 or the 111 which are up for tender on that list, it's a joke that they're still in existence. Half the time they are empty and when they do have people on it, the core demographic that uses them are those who would not have to pay: read OAPS etc.

So these routes make no actual profit and are often ghost buses.

Those who use Dublin Bus every day and year on year have had to put up with price increases are bascially subsidising loss making routes, why should we? They shouldn't even be up for tender, they should of been abolished ages ago.

Routes up for tender:http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/12/routes.jpg

Apparently Irish Rail are carrying out works this weekend as well. If Carlsberg did timing...

Yeah, **** the old and weak in society. Who cares if they need transport? It's not profitable so we'll abolish their buses. :rolleyes:

c_man · 01-05-2015 11:12AM

Normally I'd side with the staff on this kinda thing but bus eireann offer such a poor service, with the drivers being so rude and unhelpful that I say funk 'em. The private operators on the usual route I take are way ahead of BE.

homerjay2005 · 01-05-2015 11:31AM

Zxclnic wrote: »

Just because he's not a 'foaming at the mouth' union basher - like most on this thread appear to be - doesn't necessarily mean that he's an employee of either Dublin Bus or Bus Èireann. He might even be supportive of workers in general and their right to use their collective strength to negotiate with their employers, or, horror of horrors, he might even be in favour of this specific strike. Imagine that!
More power to the bus drivers, I wish them well.

can you advise why you support them?

anncoates · 01-05-2015 11:38AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Those who use Dublin Bus every day and year on year have had to put up with price increases are bascially subsidising loss making routes, why should we? They shouldn't even be up for tender, they should of been abolished ages ago.

I'm hazarding a wild guess because it's, you know, a public transport service for all citizens of the country, not just the ones that generate the most loot.

dfx- · 01-05-2015 11:44AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yeah, **** the old and weak in society. Who cares if they need transport? It's not profitable so we'll abolish their buses. :rolleyes:

It's remarkable how some people still don't get the basic concept of public transport.

megaten · 01-05-2015 11:46AM

I get to work from home today thank to them so they're alright with me.

VinLieger · 01-05-2015 11:53AM

Bring on privatisation, an end to unions being able to bring the country to a standstill and introducing a bus service that is efficient and works instead of the bureaucratic, union interests first mess we currently have

frankoreagan · 01-05-2015 11:56AM

If DB's service was anyway decent I'd be inclined to support staff striking re the privatisation. But its woeful, and has been for the past 2 decades that I've been commuting via bus. Time to break up their monopoly in this city and try and implement a decent service.

Love the argument someone (probably a DB employee) made a few posts back that was basically "Sure the other company might be just as bad as Dublin Bus, so no point changing things"

Its that attitude that typifies why DB's stranglehold must be broken.

LuckyLloyd · 01-05-2015 12:02PM

Actually DB's service is far from woeful and has been steadily getting better every year of the past 15.

Captain Chaos · 01-05-2015 12:09PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Actually DB's service is far from woeful and has been steadily getting better every year of the past 15.

Not really, I still end up waiting 75mins+ for a service that is timetabled to operate every 20mins off peak and is timetabled at 75mins for the full run start to finish. So in theory on those days that happens to me there is around 2 buses on that whole route on a Friday afternoon. Yeah, getting better alright.

That's the 17A route btw.

Zxclnic · 01-05-2015 12:16PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

can you advise why you support them?

Because I believe that the Bus Drivers Unions have a legitimate fear that the proposals for routes going to tender is the beginning of privatisation, also in 2019 when the contracts with Dublin Bus and Bus Éireann are at an end, we can expect more routes to go 'private', resulting in job losses for 'DB' and 'BE' drivers.
''Won't they get jobs with the private companies?'' you might ask.
Well perhaps some will, but you can rest assured that their pension entitlements and terms and conditions of employment with their new employers will fall far short of the ones they currently 'enjoy'.
So in my opinion they're right to withhold their labour, it's a legal form of protest/negotiation in most democracies you know, and one which was hard fought for by former generations of workers and their families.
More power to them!

suicide_circus · 01-05-2015 12:16PM

^^^^^the 17 and 17a have always been completely unreliable

Mesrine65 · 01-05-2015 12:17PM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

This strike affects all bus journeys in Ireland yeah? Need to get to Shannon tomorrow evening...

JJ Kavanagh's Dublin-Shannon route is running.

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