How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

BontyMurns · 30-04-2015 12:45AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Gee... you opine that a person seems to have a few issues (single mothers/anyone leftwing/homosexuals) with the direction western society has taken in the 21st century and it turns into passive aggressive central.
Life would have been soooo much better for you in previous centuries no?

Sorry - you aren't 'bugging' me in the slightest. On the contrary, your post made me laugh out loud - Rightwing Straight White Guy rants about what is 'wrong' with everyone else are always good for a giggle.

You're trying way too hard dear. I'm sorry your life has turned out as it has, but don't project your issues on others. It's not nice.

Bannasidhe · 30-04-2015 12:47AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

You're trying way too hard dear. I'm sorry your life has turned out as it has, but don't project your issues on others. It's not nice.

Snort.

Funny guy.

Ave Sodalis · 30-04-2015 12:48AM

I'm going to save this thread. Then, whenever this referendum passes (this one, or the next, or the next), I'm going to keep this thread and its contents and show them to my grandchildren.

It is an interesting time. As Brendan O Carroll said; every generation has the chance to make a big chance, and this is our chance. Yeah, having to listen to the No side is crappy. It has been crappy and it will get even crappier before the end of the month. But, at some stage, we're going to look back and if it passes, then we're here to witness what could be a big change in the history of the country and a massive step forward.

If it doesn't pass, I will genuinely be upset. Not because I'm gay. I'm not, so this referendum doesn't really affect me. Not even because I want to see a few people get married. But because it will be a major step back and a knock in the hope that this country has progressed at least a little bit in the narrowmindedness and old-fashionedness I despair at. Ireland is a stunning country with so much potential but the people in it make me want to go hide up a mountain somewhere and rejoin society when it has progressed. The results of this referendum will tell me whether or not this country has actually grown up and I'm really hoping it has.

dashcamdanny · 30-04-2015 12:49AM

Gintonious wrote: »

He can have his say all he wants, but his say is nothing more than recycled garbage, that just keeps popping up.

I'm tired of single track minded people and statements such as your post. By all means show some evidence of this damage to Europe. I won't hold my breath on this one.

If you read my post
I was not agreeing with you or him.

I was suggesting some of the yes side stop going on like d1cks when the slightest hint of NO gets posted.

The attitude sucks .

Personally , I hate d1cks,. Not my thing at all.

Frank Bullitt · 30-04-2015 12:49AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

The banking debt is ~20% of Ireland's debt. The rest of Ireland's debt, and what it primarily borrows for, is to provide and administrate extremely generous left-wing social programs. Ireland borrows hand over fist and taxes the life out of anyone who has worked to do well for themselves to support these programs it can't really afford.

The financial system and its woes are not only now well in the past but they're merely a blip on the radar of Europe's problems.

Resorting to talk about banks and borrowing, shows the strength of your argument for voting No.

Ave Sodalis · 30-04-2015 12:51AM

dashcamdanny wrote: »

If you read my post
I was not agreeing with you or him.

I was suggesting some of the yes side stop going on like d1cks when the slightest hint of NO gets posted.

The attitude sucks .

Personally , I hate d1cks,. Not my thing at all.

The thing is, Bonty is a brand new poster who hasn't posted in any other thread except this and has brought up points that have been repeatedly stated and debunked throughout the thread, which just so happen to be brought up again and again by other people who just happened to join Boards very recently and just happen to also not post in other threads except those of the same topic.

Uncle Ben · 30-04-2015 12:54AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

There really are some weird and baffling reasons being thought of for either voting no or not voting.

The issue is: Should same-sex couples be granted the right to marry each other - no more.

People you don't like, having an opinion on it, is of relevance... how?

Of course they're going to have an opinion on it - as they would in relation to any referendum, but it has zero bearing on what you think of it...

Your right it's such a very simple referendum question. Possibly the most concise referendum question we've ever been asked.
However, I've no interest in it and when I hear any of the government or church side arguing their points I just switch over.

Smiley92a · 30-04-2015 12:55AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

You're trying way too hard dear. I'm sorry your life has turned out as it has, but don't project your issues on others. It's not nice.

Seems you only joined up an hour ago, and this is the only thread you've posted in.

Hmmm. Don't suppose you're the PRO of Mothers and Fathers Matter by any chance? :rolleyes:

Hammer Archer · 30-04-2015 12:56AM

dashcamdanny wrote: »

If you read my post
I was not agreeing with you or him.

I was suggesting some of the yes side stop going on like d1cks when the slightest hint of NO gets posted.

"Slightest hint" of a no? Did you even read the post? The guy downright insulted homosexuals, children of homosexuals, single parents and infertile people all in one go. Very strange that that appears to be AOK in your book but calling him up on it isn't.

BontyMurns · 30-04-2015 12:56AM

Gintonious wrote: »

Resorting to talk about banks and borrowing, shows the strength of your argument for voting No.

I want some of whatever you're smoking buddy. There's no way this level of stupidity is genuine.

sup_dude wrote: »

The thing is, Bonty is a brand new poster who hasn't posted in any other thread except this and has brought up points that have been repeatedly stated and debunked throughout the thread, which just so happen to be brought up again and again by other people who just happened to join Boards very recently and just happen to also not post in other threads except those of the same topic.

OMG it's a shill, right?! Quick! Over to the guys at the conspiracy forum to get to the bottom of this, maybe I'm part of a movement of reptilian overlords trying to keep our place on this world? Oh dear, the lizards out of the bag! I mean cat!

Bannasidhe · 30-04-2015 12:58AM

sup_dude wrote: »

The thing is, Bonty is a brand new poster who hasn't posted in any other thread except this and has brought up points that have been repeatedly stated and debunked throughout the thread, which just so happen to be brought up again and again by other people who just happened to join Boards very recently and just happen to also not post in other threads except those of the same topic.

Indeed.

It's like it's the same person writing the same polemic over and over again.
It begins with a disclaimer that the author doesn't have any issue with gay people but... not the same/different not equal/children/mammyanddaddy yada yada. Most of it completely irrelevant to what we are voting on.

Although the rant about lefties made a refreshing change - like all gays are leftwing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_conservatism

BontyMurns · 30-04-2015 01:02AM

The Boards.ie Intellects are on the case! They've always believed they're "smart, just lazy" and now is their chance to display their mental prowess as they route out perceived shills on an internet forum.

You've got me, you geniuses, it's me Pope Francis merely trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage, and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling "smart, just lazy" geniuses!

Bannasidhe · 30-04-2015 01:07AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

The Boards.ie Intellects are on the case! They've always believed they're "smart, just lazy" and now is their chance to display their mental prowess as they route out perceived shills on an internet forum.

You've got me, you geniuses, it's me Pope Francis merely trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage, and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling "smart, just lazy" geniuses!

That's good.

Get it off your chest.

Better out then in.

Frank Bullitt · 30-04-2015 01:10AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

The Boards.ie Intellects are on the case! They've always believed they're "smart, just lazy" and now is their chance to display their mental prowess as they route out perceived shills on an internet forum.

You've got me, you geniuses, it's me Pope Francis merely trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage, and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling "smart, just lazy" geniuses!

We're always here to lend a shoulder to cry on pal.

WoolyJumper · 30-04-2015 01:11AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

I just think that society should place those who form stable homes and produce children in a higher, and separate, category to themselves.

The people who marry, reproduce and raise children are without a doubt the most important in our society and should be recognised and rewarded as such.

Marriage isn't a reward for doing that. It's away of forming a family with the person you love and making a lifetime commitment to that person. Having committed relationships, whether gay or straight is in general good for society.

Putting the marriage thing aside, reproducing isn't all that difficult, it's the forming a stable home and raising a happy and healthy child is the hard part and the important part for society. Surely single parents, grand parents and relatives acting as guardians, adoptive parents, foster parents who are providing stable homes and secure environment for kids are as honourable and important to society and should be recognised and valued as such?

SpaceTime · 30-04-2015 01:12AM

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Your right it's such a very simple referendum question. Possibly the most concise referendum question we've ever been asked.
However, I've no interest in it and when I hear any of the government or church side arguing their points I just switch over.

So, ignore them and make your own mind up based on what you'd like to be free to do if you happened to be gay.

Don't let a bunch of annoying priests and politicians cloud the fact it's a simple human rights issue that goes beyond politics and religion.

G_R · 30-04-2015 01:14AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

I want some of whatever you're smoking buddy. There's no way this level of stupidity is genuine.

OMG it's a shill, right?! Quick! Over to the guys at the conspiracy forum to get to the bottom of this, maybe I'm part of a movement of reptilian overlords trying to keep our place on this world? Oh dear, the lizards out of the bag! I mean cat!

BontyMurns wrote: »

The Boards.ie Intellects are on the case! They've always believed they're "smart, just lazy" and now is their chance to display their mental prowess as they route out perceived shills on an internet forum.

You've got me, you geniuses, it's me Pope Francis merely trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage, and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling "smart, just lazy" geniuses!

Mod

Knock it off or don't bother posting at all.

Is it any wonder people have questions about whether or not your a genuine poster when you write posts like this?

Any more posts along this line and you'll find yourself banned - this is your one and only warning.

BontyMurns · 30-04-2015 01:17AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

That's good.

Get it off your chest.

Better out then in.

Not only a master of internet forums, but also a master of deciphering emotions through text? What a shame you didn't apply yourself so fervently earlier in life Bannasidhe, you may have actually made something of yourself and not ended up spending your days online projecting your issues on people.

Here is a list of resources that will try to help you out of your rut. I can't post links so insert the relevant details yourself: mentalhealthireland [dot] ie [slash]i nformation [slash] finding-support [dot] html

Best of luck.

marienbad · 30-04-2015 01:17AM

20Cent wrote: »

Don't posters get taken down in every single referendum and election?

Don't see what the big deal is Happens all the time. Think they should be left up they annoy anyone from a single or knows someone in a single parent family. Backfiring big time.

This has been posted a few times and as far as I know it is completely incorrect . Removing or defacing political election posters has never been an issue in the Republic . Of course you will get isolated instances and on a local basis , but never on a national basis.

It was a problem (and may still be) in N.Ireland ,often between SF and the SDLP but never down south.

The yes side are doing themselves no favours with this . And I for one am a bit taken aback at the intolerance of it all . Free speech is not free speech if it is only what you like .

Cold War Kid · 30-04-2015 01:17AM

Yeh I switch off too at this stage, but I don't understand why that should cause a person not to vote.

magentis · 30-04-2015 01:20AM

Looks like the no side has it then?

BontyMurns · 30-04-2015 01:21AM

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

Mod

Knock it off or don't bother posting at all.

Is it any wonder people have questions about whether or not your a genuine poster when you write posts like this?

Any more posts along this line and you'll find yourself banned - this is your one and only warning.

My [now second last] post was posted before I saw this. I'm not going to post in this thread again regardless. I just can't handle the genius of the regulars here. They're simply too smart for me. It is frightening to be in the presence of such real intellect. Little did I know the true capabilities of the people on the cashiers desk, or the barrista at the cafe or the civil service nobody.

I wilfully bow out and leave this topic to the true masters of logic of Boards.ie.

Adamantium · 30-04-2015 01:21AM

AH represents the views of Irish people the world over.
That or.......maybe, just maybe it's just a hugbox i.e echo chamber.

We've a lot of posters on standby ready to flatten an opinion that doesn't fall into line. Mostly with snark which seems to the only basis for a fool proof argument from they yes side.

marienbad · 30-04-2015 01:22AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

I'll be voting no. I don't care if you're straight, gay, bisexual, or whatever else you may want to classify yourself as. What you do behind closed doors, so long as nobody is getting hurt, is noone else's business.

I am however absolutely sick of the LGBT political movement and would be delighted to see it (the movement) receiving a swift kick in the face by virtue of receiving a "no" in May.

Besides that, a gay partnership simply isn't equal to a straight one and shouldn't be formally recognised as such. No matter how many times the lefties want to repeat the contrary, it'll never be true. Gay couples can't naturally have children and that fundamentally makes them of less social worth than the union of a straight couple.

"But but they can adopt!" I hear the lefties protest. Gay adoption, at this stage, amounts to a social experiment as we have absolutely zero idea of how it will turn out at scale and over time. I think it's rather cruel to put innocent children into unknown situations for social experiments simply to see how things turn out. We, as a species, have done just fine until now relying on men and women reproducing and raising kids.

A child needs a mother and a father, we've learned this from the sheer havoc single parent, mother-only families have brought to society over the last few decades. I don't care for your personal anecdotes about being raised by a single mother either, there is a vast amount of research and data that points to single parent families being terrible for society, you being a special snowflake bears little weight.

I'm tired of mindless, left-wing, feel-good politics. It has wrought vast amounts of damage, economically and socially, throughout Europe over the last few decades and at this stage needs to be vigorously stamped out and I'll vote against any further silly leftism whenever it may arise, as is the case this May.

At least you are honest , even though you are wrong in everything you say as it pertains to this referendum.

Smiley92a · 30-04-2015 01:23AM

BontyMurns wrote: »

Not only a master of internet forums, but also a master of deciphering emotions through text? What a shame you didn't apply yourself so fervently earlier in life Bannasidhe, you may have actually made something of yourself and not ended up spending your days online projecting your issues on people.

Here is a list of resources that will try to help you out of your rut. I can't post links so insert the relevant details yourself: mentalhealthireland [dot] ie [slash]i nformation [slash] finding-support [dot] html

Best of luck.

I'm sure Bannasidhe is deeply offended by the smell of the sh1t you're smearing on yourself.

BontyMurns · 30-04-2015 01:27AM

By the way, final post on the matter, Bannasidhe the all round genius (just lazy

), master of the internet forum and champion decipherer of emotions through text will confirm that my last post was completely and utterly serious and in no way sarcastic.

I know that may not need to be pointed out to other such amazingly intelligent (just lazy

) internet phenoms posting here, but I thought it should be pointed out (and maybe verified by InternetLord Bannasidhe MotIF CDoETT?) in case other mere mortals similar to myself didn't get it.

Cold War Kid · 30-04-2015 01:27AM

Adamantium wrote: »

AH represents the views of Irish people the world over.
That or.......maybe, just maybe it's just a hugbox i.e echo chamber.

We've a lot of posters on standby ready to flatten an opinion that doesn't fall into line. Mostly with snark which seems to the only basis for a fool proof argument from they yes side.

Ah here, what's with the making the yes side out to be fascists and the no side, despite absolutely appalling nasty prejudice and manipulation of facts, to be poor put-upon victims.
It seems like a fashion tbh - the whole "free speech, no matter how venomous, is more important than the rights of those on the receiving end of it" fad.
The yes side has a lot more than snark for a fool-proof argument, obviously.

If someone is voting no because they don't think marriage should be between any two people other than a man and a woman, that's grand - their opinion. It does not necessarily make them homophobic either.

But when those voting no come up with fallacies and inconsistencies, and really nasty stuff likening gay people to utter deviants, how can it be unreasonable to criticise this and, frankly, to ridicule it?

Taco Chips · 30-04-2015 01:28AM

Whosthis wrote: »

I'm sure most people saw the petition going around Facebook for DCC to make the mural permanent. It was sent to me by a gay friend and I refused to sign it saying I didn't want to look like a fool. Queue the "I'm surprised at you, "homophobe" response from him. I then explained my reasoning in that general purpose science would have made the decision on the mural's permanency long before DCC had made it.

I'm now considering voting no out of spite.

I'm really mature like that.

Please don't. This is an honest request. Please make up your mind on how the referendum is going to affect lives. The result is going to change the lives of people, people like me, family members, friends. Don't change your mind out of spite. Just please consider making your choice on what you feel is right.

Bannasidhe · 30-04-2015 01:32AM

Adamantium wrote: »

AH represents the views of Irish people the world over.
That or.......maybe, just maybe it's just a hugbox i.e echo chamber.

We've a lot of posters on standby ready to flatten an opinion that doesn't fall into line. Mostly with snark which seems to the only basis for a fool proof argument from they yes side.

If by 'flatten' you mean call out someone who scatters insults around the place, repeats the same debunked arguments over and over and cries foul as soon as they are called out on it - what do you expect?

I am sure it is perfectly possible to state why one intends to vote no without actually insulting anyone, nor is it unreasonable to read back even a couple of pages to see if ones concerns have already been discussed.

Sadly, that is not what tends to happen. Rants is what tends to happen and when people try and respond we usually see an escalation into full blown tantrum with even more insults and screams they are being bullied.

AtomicHorror · 30-04-2015 01:42AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I am sure it is perfectly possible to state why one intends to vote no without actually insulting anyone...

You sure about that? I genuinely haven't been able to think of anything that elaborates to any level of detail beyond "I am voting no" which is not immediately insulting to someone.

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