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Is it time to increase the dole?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    You can't have restoration of public service pay without doing the same to the dole.

    It's unfair and illogical.

    Can you elaborate on that? How is public service pay linked to the dole?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    You can't have restoration of public service pay without doing the same to the dole.

    It's unfair and illogical.

    How is it unfair, one section is working the other isn't??????

    The dole is not meant to be lived off of it is meant to sustain people through unemployment that is it, the notion it should be enough to maintain the average lifestyle for an extended period of time is just wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    I would maybe throw an extra few quid a week at heroin addicts who had managed to stay clean for say, a year? Each year, extra few quid.

    Anyone committing a serious crime (anything involving a weapon certainly) would lose the same amount.

    Anyone living at home (with a threshold for parental earning), I'd take a few quid off them. I'd give that money back for qualifications earned in search of a job.

    Basically a series of measures to target those who need it, and take it away from those who don't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    If it is true that there are more jobs, dole should be lowered, not increased.

    Go ahead, raise it a bit for those who are physically or mentally unable to work but those healthy enough to get of their arse should be encouraged to do so. And that is not by putting even more money in their hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭CosmicSmash


    I thought you were dead, Mrs. Thatcher?

    You certainly would give a **** if you were laid off.

    Too many stayed unemployed through the boom years. If people lost their jobs and were genuinely looking for work I think there should something in place to help them. A flat increase would only put more money into pockets of those who have no intention of ever working.


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  • Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can't have restoration of public service pay without doing the same to the dole.

    It's unfair and illogical.

    Why not? Despite what many peoples opinions are on public service workers, their still workers. A lot (not all) of private sector workers will have annual performance reviews linked to pay increases. Why shouldn't public sector workers be treated the same way?

    Whereas people long term on the dole should be encourage to rejoin the workforce ASAP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    ps..I'd probably penalise smokers. Gonna cost the HSE a lot of money?

    Dead on, we'll dock it from your dole.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    Why not? Despite what many peoples opinions are on public service workers, their still workers. A lot (not all) of private sector workers will have annual performance reviews linked to pay increases. Why shouldn't public sector workers be treated the same way?

    Whereas people long term on the dole should be encourage to rejoin the workforce ASAP.

    Many people view the public service as the Dole Plus.

    Whether that's correct or not is debatable.


  • Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Many people view the public service as the Dole Plus.

    Whether that's correct or not is debatable.

    So you can't give me a reason then?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    So you can't give me a reason then?

    The simple reason is both sets are employees of the state.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    You can't have restoration of public service pay without doing the same to the dole.

    It's unfair and illogical.

    This is one of the poorer attempts at trolling I've seen. Playing the old 'invisible hierarchy' card. Social welfare claimants at the bottom. Public service workers barely above them. At the top, you know it, the mighty private sector workers. The movers the shakers, the mother fcking decision makers. They keep the show on the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Raise it to pre crisis levels with a 10% per annum cut in the dole for each year you stay on it..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    The simple reason is both sets are employees of the state.

    Pretty sure you're just trolling now.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/employee?s=t


  • Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The simple reason is both sets are employees of the state.

    Still struggling? We'll leave it there so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    I wouldn't be opposed to a slight increase for under 25s, but the 188 rate is enough to be getting on with imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Constant Curiosity


    just out of interest how many of you commenting have been jobless? do you have a clue how hard is it to get back to work? i'm sure some of ye do but not the most!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    just out of interest how many of you commenting have been jobless? do you have a clue how hard is it to get back to work? i'm sure some of ye do but not the most!

    Most of them probably got jobs via family/friend connections.

    It's how this country works.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    Most of them probably got jobs via family/friend connections.

    It's how this country works.

    See if that's what you really think, you're not going to get a job.

    It's not how this country works. I've had a fair few jobs and have been jobless (from December last year to March this year most recently). I've never gotten a job through family / friend connections.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    I have worked in a joe job

    Worked in the public sector
    Worked in the private sector
    Been on the dole
    Worked abroad

    Hell, I'm the only person on the boards worth listening to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    ps..I'd probably penalise smokers. Gonna cost the HSE a lot of money?

    Dead on, we'll dock it from your dole.


    What about non-smokers that cost the HSE a lot of money??

    What about drinkers, people that eat to much, people that eat fatty foods, sports people that keep getting injured, damn drivers that crash more than once ?

    It's a proven statistic that 100% of non smokers die.

    Smokers probably die sooner but in their time they'll contribute more to the Tax coffers due to one of the highest tobacco taxes in the world.

    How did this get mixed up in a dole thread!! :)


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  • Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    just out of interest how many of you commenting have been jobless? do you have a clue how hard is it to get back to work? i'm sure some of ye do but not the most!

    Yup I've been unemployed. Applied for every feckin job I could find, eventually got some experience in a field I liked and built a career out of it. From recently being on job sites I can tell you there are LOTS of jobs out there all across the spectrum from low level beginner jobs to senior management positions.

    The fact is, if you want to work you'll try your hand at anything. The current system encourages people not to do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Paul.k.b.90


    just out of interest how many of you commenting have been jobless? do you have a clue how hard is it to get back to work? i'm sure some of ye do but not the most!
    Most of them probably got jobs via family/friend connections.

    It's how this country works.

    When I lost my job I spent 3 weeks handing out CVs and applying for jobs online. Was back working by the end of the 4th week

    Yes I took a pay reduction, Yes it was a step back. 3 Years later I'm still with the company in a better position than I was in. Plenty of jobs out there but some people think the job is beneath them and refuse to apply for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    But the dole used to be 204 euros and now it's 188.

    I think most would be in favour of at least restoring it to that level.

    Yes, once it's coupled with a rule that it decreases say 4% a year. This means that if you have no interest in working your dole comes down until it's not worth being on it..

    I'd go further and say if you've worked for say 10 years and lose your job you should get 100% pay for 6 months, 80% next 6 months etc, this softens the financial hit from losing your job..

    I know to many people who are on the dole 10-15-20 years, these are the ones should be targeted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    If everyone else gets a 1 or 2% increase then I would have no problem in dole rising by the same amount.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    just out of interest how many of you commenting have been jobless? do you have a clue how hard is it to get back to work? i'm sure some of ye do but not the most!

    How would you handle someone who is 20 years on the dole......?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭KungPao


    Well if there is to be a minimum price for alcohol, and with tobacco increases, I believe it's only fair to raise the dole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    But the dole used to be 204 euros and now it's 188.

    I think most would be in favour of at least restoring it to that level.

    So far only 18.99% of people agree with you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    KungPao wrote: »
    Well if there is to be a minimum price for alcohol, and with tobacco increases, I believe it's only fair to raise the dole.

    Should I ask for a payrise because tobacco & alcohol have gone up too? Can't imagine my employer not laughing me out of the room if I did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    What about non-smokers that cost the HSE a lot of money??

    What about drinkers, people that eat to much, people that eat fatty foods, sports people that keep getting injured, damn drivers that crash more than once ?

    It's a proven statistic that 100% of non smokers die.

    Smokers probably die sooner but in their time they'll contribute more to the Tax coffers due to one of the highest tobacco taxes in the world.

    How did this get mixed up in a dole thread!! :)

    Nah, just smokers. Fck em.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    I'm all for increasing it, if the amount needed, to increase it, is taken off those who've been on the dole all their lives.


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