Episode 5x03 - High Sparrow - HAVE read the books [ Spoilers ]

Mr.Prodston · 27-04-2015 10:46PM #1

It's very off putting that there's been no thread set up, it's the biggest show in the world and many of us are rabid fans. 2 weeks in a row now :pac: I must be one of the very few watching this weekly!

I'm really liking this season so far. The slower pace and introductions and moving pieces has been done rather well so far. Thoroughly enjoyed that episode and it flew by.

At the same time why in 7 hells didn't they have Jon say" Edd, fetch me a block"! When I realised what scene it was I perked right up in anticipation and oh how I enjoyed it but still why change?

Sansa's story has escalated. I guess I knew it was going this way and I'm interested to see how it plays out.

Brienne's Stannis talk makes me nervous though.

Tommen is a lucky boy, sorry man. Loved the scene between Margaery and Cersei

Jorah and Tyrion's team up will be fun. And Tatsu from Arrow made a welcome appearance too

Mickeroo · 27-04-2015 11:06PM

Brienne is definitely going to be the ghost of winterfell it seems. I'm enjoying her and Sansa's storyline quite a bit now as i have no idea whats going to happen.

joe123 · 27-04-2015 11:12PM

Its been an age since I read the books so just looking to have my memory refreshed.

In the tv show he chops off Janos slynts head for defying the order. Did this happen in the book I can't even remember. Is it part of the Watches code that if you defy orders you are executed or was Jon Snow following the advice of Stannis

Also is Mance still alive in the TV show do you think? He had a pretty major role in the whole rose Bolton infiltrating thing in the books!

DaisyD2 · 27-04-2015 11:19PM

Apart from High Sparrow & Faceless Men storylines I seem to have completely forgotten the books! I vaguely remember jorah kidnapping tyrion but honestly struggling to remember brienne in books at all! I really don't want to have to go back to book 1 & 500pgs of snow above Wall to figure it out either so just going to sit back n enjoy the ride

FunLover18 · 27-04-2015 11:20PM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Tommen is a lucky boy, sorry man.

I don't think I've ever been more jealous of a TV character.

FOUR TIMES!!!

tadcan · 27-04-2015 11:38PM

The slow build up really works for me, even better by watching week to week, and having a chance to reflect on the show.

I'm also looking forward to Brienne's new story line. When she dies in the book, I didn't care, not because of the character, but because, the shock value had worn off. So I shrugged and thought, another character dead.

I thought Sansa would met the brotherhood without banners, become lady stoneheart (although I wouldn't be surprised if she earned that nickname) and lead a rebellion. I haven't checked the cast list to see if they would be in the series.

Bringing forward Stanis's battle in north should bring lots of action to end of the season. I hope they don't get bogged down in a huge snowstorm like the books. It was thematic sure, but really slowed the books down even more.

Sleepy · 27-04-2015 11:46PM

Eh, Brienne hasn't died yet in the books...

It pissed me off so much that they didn't give Jon the line "Ed, fetch me a block"... how hard would it have been to include one of Jon's few great lines?

tommy2bad · 27-04-2015 11:54PM

I suspect the resurrection have been moved to kings landing in which case lady Stoneheart is gone. Fake Aria is gone, and most of the cast in Tyrian story line. Basically the books are now only a loose inspiration.
Not for the better, it seems to have lost something, the action seems hurried and characters have less room to develope.
Then again the tv show is limited in how long they can run for so compromises must be made.
The sets look fabulous, the overhead shot of Volarais was super. Winterfell looked suitably empty but familiar, all in all the production has kept it high standard. I'm just sorry the plot has been tightened too much, too few characters to give the scope the books have. GoT the tv show has gone from epic to soap with high value cig.

Still if we finish the tv show before the next book at least the book will still have surprises.

Mr.Prodston · 28-04-2015 12:06AM

Oh I knew there was something that I forgot, or most likely repressed :mad:

The woman in Winterfell tells Sansa that "The North Remembers" and it felt like this:

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THAT'S WYMAN MANDERLY'S LINE!!!!

*scurries off fighting back the tears*

Son0vagun · 28-04-2015 07:31AM

Have they not thought of the implications of Sansa marrying Ramsey? Sansa is the most wanted woman in all of Westeros, wanted for having a hand in King Jofferys death. Surely Cersi will march on Winterfell when she hears of the marriage.

Mr Freeze · 28-04-2015 08:48AM

I like Brienne, I like Stannis.

This show better not make me choose between the 2 of them!!!

They appear to be setting Brienne up to take revenge and kill Stannis. I would hate if that happened, and would much rather see Brienne fail if she attempts to kill Stannis in Winterfell.

"Olly, bring me my sword", Even "Olly, fetch the block" would have been ok, there was no need to change the line at all.

Giving The North Remembers line to a nobody is not good, Manderly is most definitely cut, and I don't think Davos will be going on his road trip either.

When Sansa arrived in Winterfell and met the Boltons, the camera pans to a group of women, was that the Spearwives or Ramsays dogs???

Mickeroo · 28-04-2015 08:53AM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I like Brienne, I like Stannis.

This show better not make me choose between the 2 of them!!!

They appear to be setting Brienne up to take revenge and kill Stannis. I would hate if that happened, and would much rather see Brienne fail if she attempts to kill Stannis in Winterfell.

"Olly, bring me my sword", Even "Olly, fetch the block" would have been ok, there was no need to change the line at all.

Giving The North Remembers line to a nobody is not good, Manderly is most definitely cut, and I don't think Davos will be going on his road trip either.

When Sansa arrived in Winterfell and met the Boltons, the camera pans to a group of women, was that the Spearwives or Ramsays dogs???

Ramsey's dogs, the nearest one had a few scenes last season, the shot was to show her seething with jealousy I think. She'll be out to get Sansa.

theteal · 28-04-2015 08:56AM

I probably shouldn't be in here as I've about 250 pages of the latest book remaining. Some of the changes are annoying but are probably needed to speed things along for telly. Tyrion meeting Jorah has happened too quickly, I wanted to see some stonemen. I expected Sam would be on his travels by now too. I also really wanted to see a scene where Arya tried to bite the worm from the kindly man's skeletal eye socket when she first arrived at the house of black and white. Janos loosing his head is one of the most satisfying parts of the book, I did enjoy it on screen also.

Mr Freeze · 28-04-2015 08:57AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ramsey's dogs, the nearest one had a few scenes last season, the shot was to show her seething with jealousy I think. She'll be out to get Sansa.

Was thinking they were going to give Sansa a hard time alrite.

Ramsey seemed to be on his best behaviour.

Mickeroo · 28-04-2015 09:11AM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Was thinking they were going to give Sansa a hard time alrite.

Ramsey seemed to be on his best behaviour.

I'd love if Sansa ends up killing him, she seems to have resolved herself to take no **** from anyone now.

Daith · 28-04-2015 09:54AM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Was thinking they were going to give Sansa a hard time alrite.

Ramsey seemed to be on his best behaviour.

I think Sansa is going to manipulate Ramsey into killing them.

Tom.D.BJJ · 28-04-2015 11:15AM

"The North remembers". Tiny tear and a little flutter of my weak heart. All aboard the Darth Sansa train!!! No Manderly is a bit **** though. I wonder how they'll bring Rickon into it now. Maybe Brienne will find the Stark child that was promised :eek:

The high Sparrow was perfectly cast, they got that spot on. Margaery/Cersei bitchfest was fun too

Mormegil · 28-04-2015 12:08PM

theteal wrote: »

I probably shouldn't be in here as I've about 250 pages of the latest book remaining. Some of the changes are annoying but are probably needed to speed things along for telly. Tyrion meeting Jorah has happened too quickly, I wanted to see some stonemen. I expected Sam would be on his travels by now too. I also really wanted to see a scene where Arya tried to bite the worm from the kindly man's skeletal eye socket when she first arrived at the house of black and white. Janos loosing his head is one of the most satisfying parts of the book, I did enjoy it on screen also.

With all the talk of Greyscale and Stonemen (Shireen last week, Tyrion this week) I've little doubt they'll turn up at some point. I can also see an existing character catching Greyscale.

With regards to Edd, fetch me a block, in the books IIRC Janos is orginally going to be hung but at the last minute Jon decides to behead him, hence the fetch me a block line.

In the show there is no change of execution method so fetch me my sword makes more sense (and as Olly is Jon's steward it's his job to fetch the sword).

PopePalpatine · 28-04-2015 02:37PM

I can kinda imagine why they may have cut out Wyman Manderly, after all he passed off someone else's head as Davos's in the books.

celica00 · 28-04-2015 03:12PM

This is going to be interesting, especially the Sansa story now.
I wonder what plan she has for Ramsey! Must be something evil and dangerous to take revenge? can't wait to see more!
The rest I found very good so far, I would love to see Brienne kill Stannis!

Mr Freeze · 28-04-2015 03:25PM

celica00 wrote: »

The rest I found very good so far, I would love to see Brienne kill Stannis!

Ohhhhh, I hope to see Brienne flayed and strung up on the walls of Winterfell before I'd see any harm come to Stannis.

Tom.D.BJJ · 28-04-2015 03:26PM

celica00 wrote: »

This is going to be interesting, especially the Sansa story now.
I wonder what plan she has for Ramsey! Must be something evil and dangerous to take revenge? can't wait to see more!
The rest I found very good so far, I would love to see Brienne kill Stannis!

I hope it's not obvious. At the moment, Sansa is the key to the North because she will bring the support of the northern houses. Ramsay can f*ck that up, by being himself and hurting her. As the washerwoman said "The North Remembers". Stoke that fire baby!!

Also, Stannis will need something to bring the northern houses to his cause. He either needs to be fighting to rescue Sansa which might work, or find another Stark child. He tried with Jon....mayhaps he'll send Davos to find another :pac:

Tom.D.BJJ · 28-04-2015 03:33PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I like Brienne, I like Stannis.

This show better not make me choose between the 2 of them!!!

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Ohhhhh, I hope to see Brienne flayed and strung up on the walls of Winterfell before I'd see any harm come to Stannis.

That didnt take long :pac:

28-04-2015 04:43PM

Sansa is going to be kidnapped by Brienne I think. Then on the way to the wall or at the wall she meets Stannis and all he'll breaks loose. Or she goes south and runs into a certain thought to be dead Tully hopefully.

The brotherhood haven't shown up this season which is a glaring ommision as there's no way they won't be in it after missing a season last year.

Mr Freeze · 28-04-2015 04:53PM

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

That didnt take long :pac:

I think I had decided on Stannis when I wrote the first post!!!
:pac:

joe123 · 28-04-2015 06:42PM

Have they cut out a ton of characters that traveled with Tyrion??

The fight on the ship with the stone men? Tyrion falling into the water? Weren't some of those lads on the boat with Tyrion pretty damn important??

Il be pissed if they have cut Manderly, Jon Connington and his crew and it looks like they are ignoring the Mance storyline?

Really dont like all the changes. Im still annoyed they completely cut Coldhands. He was such a cool/mysterious character.

It all feels so rushed this season. Really not enjoying it as much as I thought.

theteal · 28-04-2015 06:52PM

joe123 wrote: »

Have they cut out a ton of characters that traveled with Tyrion??

The fight on the ship with the stone men? Tyrion falling into the water? Weren't some of those lads on the boat with Tyrion pretty damn important??

Il be pissed if they have cut Manderly, Jon Connington and his crew and it looks like they are ignoring the Mance storyline?

Really dont like all the changes. Im still annoyed they completely cut Coldhands. He was such a cool/mysterious character.

It all feels so rushed this season. Really not enjoying it as much as I thought.

Yes, this is why I say Jorah meeting up with Tyrion has happened too quickly, no Griff, young Targaryen, the "nun" chick who likes a swim in the morning. Tyrion having to check himself for greyscale (although there is an inkling that something may be introduced on that as one of the guys mentioned above). Even the dwarf girl on the 2nd boat journey.

As for Coldhands, I only read about him after I had seen the equivalent bit of the telly program, I was like, "how can you leave the breathless guy out?!!"

Liam McPoyle · 28-04-2015 06:54PM

Is it just me or does it feel somewhat, lacking, when compared with previous seasons.

Maybe its just cos Im missing Tywin chewing up every scene he was in, plus the hound and Goffrey, 3 fantastic characters that have not/cannot be replaced.

tommy2bad · 28-04-2015 08:09PM

Business Cat wrote: »

Is it just me or does it feel somewhat, lacking, when compared with previous seasons.

Maybe its just cos Im missing Tywin chewing up every scene he was in, plus the hound and Goffrey, 3 fantastic characters that have not/cannot be replaced.

Theirs lots of characters that could replace them, they seem to have chosen to go with a more limited selection. It might be because stars cost money or it could be they think it would confuse an audience to introduce new characters at this stage, either way it was a mistake. IIronic that as the existing characters travel more and the plot allows more opportunity for opportunists to seize the moment in the wake of Tywins death, the ccast is getting whittled down to fewer and fewer. While this is common plotting in tv shows, GoT's great strength was it filled power vacuums by letting the chaos run it's course. The show seems to do great it like a knockout contest, no new entrants once the game starts.

Liam McPoyle · 28-04-2015 08:31PM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Theirs lots of characters that could replace them, they seem to have chosen to go with a more limited selection. It might be because stars cost money or it could be they think it would confuse an audience to introduce new characters at this stage, either way it was a mistake. IIronic that as the existing characters travel more and the plot allows more opportunity for opportunists to seize the moment in the wake of Tywins death, the ccast is getting whittled down to fewer and fewer. While this is common plotting in tv shows, GoT's great strength was it filled power vacuums by letting the chaos run it's course. The show seems to do great it like a knockout contest, no new entrants once the game starts.

Is there though?

For sheer badassery I cant recall anyone to top the hound.

Goffrey was a snivelling, despicable wretch that I loved.

Tywin was just a boss.

Its been a while since I read the final book but nobody springs to mind that could fill the void.

Granted they were there from the get go pretty much so we had grown very accustomed to them.

Mr.Prodston · 28-04-2015 08:40PM

Business Cat wrote: »

Is there though?

For sheer badassery I cant recall anyone to top the hound.

Goffrey was a snivelling, despicable wretch that I loved.

Tywin was just a boss.

Its been a while since I read the final book but nobody springs to mind that could fill the void.

Granted they were there from the get go pretty much so we had grown very accustomed to them.

Brian Blessed as Wyman Manderly delivering this speech to Davos would light the torch paper

The 2 D's want to end it after 7 seasons don't they? If that's the case then it's impossible to include everything.

I'd love an extra season or 2 to include all the other stories. It does all feel a bit streamlined, very entertaining streamlining but if I ever meet either of the producers they'll have some hard questions about excluding Manderly.

I guess all the actors will want to move on with their film careers as soon as possible though

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Episode 5x03 - High Sparrow - HAVE read the books [ Spoilers ]