Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2015 10:40AM

Nodin wrote: »

18-19,20 etc. Just because you haven't, doesn't mean others haven't.

At the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibilities and choices. The numbers of people coming out of disadvantaged areas with no convictions and proper jobs shows that its a viable route. Everyones not going to e a millionaire, so criminal life would probably be more lucrative for a sizable chunk of society, but the majority choose not to go down that path.

On one hand you have debates about lowering voting age to 16 or letting 21 year olds be president and on the other absolving young people of blame for criminal acts because they are young and stupid.

wes · 28-04-2015 10:40AM

So basically some people are favoring that the police be Judge Dredd.....

The guy having a record, doesn't mean that he deserved to die ffs. His spine was 80% severed, and he should have received medical treatment, and then received a fair trial for the crimes he was accused of.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 10:40AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

18-19,20? so an adult then? who should be able to make adult decisions. you are supposed to know better by that age. Kids who make stupid decisions and get into crime get a pass and a second chance because, well, they're kids and kids do stupid things. adults are supposed to know better. How many of these adults also have juvenile records so have already been given that second chance? the vast majority i would say.

Young men are known for their lack of judgement. The system in some states essentially brands you for life and limits opportunity based on a mistake or ill judgement/stupidity at this age.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 10:41AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

At the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibilities and choices. The numbers of people coming out of disadvantaged areas with no convictions and proper jobs shows that its a viable route. Everyones not going to e a millionaire, so criminal life would probably be more lucrative for a sizable chunk of society, but the majority choose not to go down that path.

On one hand you have debates about lowering voting age to 16 or letting 21 year olds be president and on the other absolving young people of blame for criminal acts because they are young and stupid.

I never said they should be absolved, merely that they should not be haunted by whatever crime for the rest of their lives, as is often the case. It's setting up people to fail.

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2015 10:43AM

Nodin wrote: »

Young men are known for their lack of judgement. The system in some states essentially brands you for life and limits opportunity based on a mistake or ill judgement/stupidity at this age.

At what age is it ok for you to be deemed old enough to face up to your actions though? Should a 45 year old get a harsher sentence than a 19 year old for the same crime?

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 10:43AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

At the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibilities and choices. The numbers of people coming out of disadvantaged areas with no convictions and proper jobs shows that its a viable route. Everyones not going to e a millionaire, so criminal life would probably be more lucrative for a sizable chunk of society, but the majority choose not to go down that path.

On one hand you have debates about lowering voting age to 16 or letting 21 year olds be president and on the other absolving young people of blame for criminal acts because they are young and stupid.

as a career choice drug dealing seems to be a particularly poor one,, even from a financial perspective. so we are probably not talking about the sharpest tools in the box.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w6592

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 10:45AM

Nodin wrote: »

Young men are known for their lack of judgement. The system in some states essentially brands you for life and limits opportunity based on a mistake or ill judgement/stupidity at this age.

these are adults. they know the consequence of what they are doing. they see those consequences probably every day. yet they still do it. what does that tell you?

Hoop66 · 28-04-2015 11:03AM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I quite like how Nodin, even faced with someone with a criminal record, tries to play the part of the caring warrior for social justice and all around inclusion.

The man was a drug dealer, with quite a long list of crimes. It's not like he was a misguided soul, he was a criminal. If he's dead, who cares?

Anyone with a shred of humanity should.

A human being has been killed, not for the first time, by those supposed to defend public life and property.

The guy was a scumbag, so what. Are you of the view that criminals are fair game for the police and that if they are killed then thats a good thing?

Those of you defending the police's actions and putting down the rioters: just try to consider what it's like to live in an area like that and imagine how desperate you might become if you did live there.

galljga1 · 28-04-2015 11:07AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

as a career choice drug dealing seems to be a particularly poor one,, even from a financial perspective. so we are probably not talking about the sharpest tools in the box.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w6592

So, there is an element of Darwinism at play here.

MathDebater · 28-04-2015 11:08AM

wes wrote: »

So basically some people are favoring that the police be Judge Dredd.....

No, people just don't have much pity for a career criminal and protesters who are destroying their own neighbourhoods.

Little CuChulainn · 28-04-2015 11:09AM

Hoop66 wrote: »

Anyone with a shred of humanity should.

A human being has been killed, not for the first time, by those supposed to defend public life and property.

The guy was a scumbag, so what. Are you of the view that criminals are fair game for the police and that if they are killed then thats a good thing?

Those of you defending the police's actions and putting down the rioters: just try to consider what it's like to live in an area like that and imagine how desperate you might become if you did live there.

The riots have nothing to do with the dead guy. His family specifically asked for no trouble and there was a large peaceful protest being held. The riots are all about greed, vandalism and violence for the sake of it.

galljga1 · 28-04-2015 11:09AM

Hoop66 wrote: »

Anyone with a shred of humanity should.

A human being has been killed, not for the first time, by those supposed to defend public life and property.

The guy was a scumbag, so what. Are you of the view that criminals are fair game for the police and that if they are killed then thats a good thing?

Those of you defending the police's actions and putting down the rioters: just try to consider what it's like to live in an area like that and imagine how desperate you might become if you did live there.

Was that Jesus or Lazarus? You would think he would have learned a lesson.

Hoop66 · 28-04-2015 11:11AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The riots have nothing to do with the dead guy. His family specifically asked for no trouble and there was a large peaceful protest being held. The riots are all about greed, vandalism and violence for the sake of it.

Or possibly desperation, and the feeling that their lives are viewed as worthless by those in power over them.

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 11:12AM

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/msac/documents/2010_Crime_in_Maryland.pdf

According to the above (as of 2010) African-Americans are 29.4 percent of the population,but are responsible for 77 percent of homicide, 49 percent of rape, 77 percent of robbery, 53 percent of aggravated assault, and 48 percent of burglary.

Stats for Baltimore as of 2013:
http://www.worldpopulationstatistics.com/baltimore-population-2013/

The largest racial demographic in the city of Baltimore is the Black or African American group, which makes up about 64% of the population. The next largest demographic is the white group, which makes up about 28% of the population. The Hispanic or Latino population only makes up about 4% of the population. Lastly, the Asian population only makes up about 2.5% of the total population.

By the way, here is the case of Kim Leto, a bartender in an Irish pub in Baltimore. She was robbed by the same two Black "ÿouths" who returned months later to assault and murder her. No riots for Kim, sadly: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-02-03/news/bs-md-ci-teen-murders-20140203_1_southeast-baltimore-burglary-baltimore-police

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 11:12AM

Hoop66 wrote: »

Or possibly desperation, and the feeling that their lives are viewed as worthless by those in power over them.

or possibly that they would like a new widescreen tv

Lt J.R. Bell · 28-04-2015 11:14AM

InitiumNovum wrote: »

I'm watching a CBS life-stream. They're saying that large fires are starting to develop and that homes are being caught up in it.

Hopefully its only the homes and families of the rioters

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 11:16AM

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Hopefully its only the homes and families of the rioters

very unlikely. dont **** on your own doorstep and all that.

MathDebater · 28-04-2015 11:19AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

By the way, here is the case of Kim Leto, a bartender in an Irish pub in Baltimore. She was robbed by the same two Black "ÿouths" who returned months later to assault and murder her. No riots for Kim, sadly: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-02-03/news/bs-md-ci-teen-murders-20140203_1_southeast-baltimore-burglary-baltimore-police

The article states that Ms Leto's murderers were in 8th grade and that one had a daughter. 8th graders are what, thirteen years old? Fecking hell.

Lt J.R. Bell · 28-04-2015 11:19AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

very unlikely. dont **** on your own doorstep and all that.

That is true, but, intelligence levels are likely to be low with that shower. But,...... A few plastic bullets wouldn't go a miss. Animals, the lot of them

We all remember the nonsense of the London riot in 2011

darkpagandeath · 28-04-2015 11:20AM

renegademaster wrote: »

They don't and for you to suggest they do makes you look real stupid, some desperate people see it as an opportunity to seize property but its not like every protestor is looting

Why was the mayor on calling out those looting taking advantage tearing down stuff that people put hard work into making ? Seems social outrage is classified in how many flat screen tv's or booze people can get their hands on.

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2015 11:22AM

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

We all remember the nonsense of the London riot in 2011

Hey, that carpet shop was the single biggest impediment to the yoof getting on in society, it had to be taken down.

darkpagandeath · 28-04-2015 11:22AM

renegademaster wrote: »

People are quick to defend police who murder!!

Yeah people are quick to defend criminals looting and rioting, You would have the same people here going on about scumbags shouting peaceful protest while shoving people. yet defending looting.

Lt J.R. Bell · 28-04-2015 11:24AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why was the mayor on calling out those looting taking advantage tearing down stuff that people put hard work into making ? Seems social outrage is classified in how many flat screen tv's or booze people can get their hands on.

I hope the business people of the area sue City Hall and her personally. Maybe return the favour, chuck a few bricks into her window

darkpagandeath · 28-04-2015 11:25AM

Hoop66 wrote: »

Or possibly desperation, and the feeling that their lives are viewed as worthless by those in power over them.

You mean the local gangs or criminals ?

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 11:26AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean the local gangs or criminals ?

no, the maaaaan

28-04-2015 11:30AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/msac/documents/2010_Crime_in_Maryland.pdf

According to the above (as of 2010) African-Americans are 29.4 percent of the population,but are responsible for 77 percent of homicide, 49 percent of rape, 77 percent of robbery, 53 percent of aggravated assault, and 48 percent of burglary.

Stats for Baltimore as of 2013:
http://www.worldpopulationstatistics.com/baltimore-population-2013/

Not sure what point you are making.

Do you think this points to serious issues, the deprivation faced by African Americans, the violence they are exposed to, the way they are marginalised, perhaps the way they are more likely to be prosecuted or if prosecuted convicted than people from other races, and again if that is down to skin colour or perhaps inability to pay for good legal advice and so on.

Or do you think they are genetically more predisposed to crime?

crockholm · 28-04-2015 11:36AM

At least one gun store has been looted,so that bodes well for future fireworks. Anyone interested in Baltimore homicide stats can check out the Baltimore Sun or Chamspage.com.If the riots continue,watch all the gentrifying Whites and their business' leave and SRB will be left with Detroit 2.0 to rule over.

Little CuChulainn · 28-04-2015 11:43AM

Hoop66 wrote: »

Or possibly desperation, and the feeling that their lives are viewed as worthless by those in power over them.

Most of their lives probably are worthless, but that is by their own doing. We're not talking about people scavenging for essentials here. We're talking about people taking whatever they can. They're even taking selfies while they do it. Hardly the mark of the desperate.

crockholm wrote: »

At least one gun store has been looted,so that bodes well for future fireworks. Anyone interested in Baltimore homicide stats can check out the Baltimore Sun or Chamspage.com.If the riots continue,watch all the gentrifying Whites and their business' leave and SRB will be left with Detroit 2.0 to rule over.

Considering the local gangs have called a cease fire to target police together, I expect many more injuries and deaths to follow.

Junkyard Tom · 28-04-2015 11:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or do you think they are genetically more predisposed to crime?

It's much easier for the eternally frightened among us to have a single 'cause' focus for their nervousness i.e. 'black'.

Little CuChulainn · 28-04-2015 11:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure what point you are making.

Do you think this points to serious issues, the deprivation faced by African Americans, the violence they are exposed to, the way they are marginalised, perhaps the way they are more likely to be prosecuted or if prosecuted convicted than people from other races, and again if that is down to skin colour or perhaps inability to pay for good legal advice and so on.

Or do you think they are genetically more predisposed to crime?

If young black males make up such a large proportion of violent offenders, it's logical that they make up a high proportion of people shot by police (even though they actually only make up about 40% of police shooting victims.)

Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

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