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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #6212
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,947 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Noblong wrote: »
    Didnt the state make it clear that adoptions would not be granted to same-sex couples awhile back? Surrogacy laws. Do we have those?

    the primary consideration when it comes to adoption is what is best for the child. the sexuality of the potential adopters is no longer important.


  • #6213
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Have we got it right??? Hmmmmm


  • #6214
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Noblong wrote: »
    Didnt the state make it clear that adoptions would not be granted to same-sex couples awhile back? Surrogacy laws. Do we have those?

    The law has been changed since. The adoption board was required NOT to be biased towards one person over another anyway, as they are obliged to take the interest of the child and her/his future as their prime concern, not that of one particular prospective adoption candidate over another.

    Re surrogacy laws, AFAIK there is a gap in legislation governing who does what in providing surrogacy services here, and there is ongoing legislative craft-work to make laws covering it. I think there are Gov't to Gov't attorney's-general agreements about people from other countries providing surrogacy services to Irish Republic citizens, to stop abuses of womens and childrens rights, along with prospective clients being defrauded by "service providers".


  • #6215
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    First Yes poster up in Tullamore


  • #6216
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    efb wrote: »
    First Yes poster up in Tullamore

    Nice to see. I'm in Birr, hope to see one soon. I saw Yes Equality Offaly are doing a “I’m Voting Yes, Ask Me Why” open mic night event in Hugh Lynch’s on Friday. I can't make it, but hopefully it will get a good turn out and start a good conversation.


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  • #6217
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Over £2k raised for the Yes campaign this evening at a table quiz over here - the London Irish have quite deep pockets when it matters :)


  • #6218
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    Over £2k raised for the Yes campaign this evening at a table quiz over here - the London Irish have quite deep pockets when it matters :)

    Well done
    Sadly the no side cannot run table quizzes because they would not be able to answer a direct question and would confuse the quiz master by constantly providing answers that have nothing to do with the question.


  • #6219
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,947 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Well done
    Sadly the no side cannot run table quizzes because they would not be able to answer a direct question and would confuse the quiz master by constantly providing answers that have nothing to do with the question.

    i shouldnt laugh. but i did


  • #6220
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Well done
    Sadly the no side cannot run table quizzes because they would not be able to answer a direct question and would confuse the quiz master by constantly providing answers that have nothing to do with the question.
    Zing!

    It's truly a shame that so many people surrender their capacity to think for themselves to these groups who specialise in control; Iona, Catholic Church etc. Without these groups, without the lies, this referendum would be a landslide for the yes vote and equality.

    If it's not about control? If it's not about homophobia? Then why, why, why can't these no voters instead simply abstain from the referendum and refuse any invitations they may receive to same sex marriage ceremonies?


  • #6221
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Updated figure up on FB there - it's actually over €5,000 when converted. :D


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  • #6222
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Introducing Divorce probably did way more to "redefine marriage" than ending the ban on same sex marriages.


  • #6223
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Well done
    Sadly the no side cannot run table quizzes because they would not be able to answer a direct question and would confuse the quiz master by constantly providing answers that have nothing to do with the question.

    This is Post of the Thread!


  • #6224
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    K4t wrote: »
    It's truly a shame that so many people surrender their capacity to think for themselves to these groups who specialise in control; Iona, Catholic Church etc. Without these groups, without the lies, this referendum would be a landslide for the yes vote and equality.

    It may be a landslide despite them, if every Yes voter gets out there and votes.


  • #6225
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Was talking to my dad about this at the weekend. He said he's voting no because 'they should just do whatever the hell they want as long as I don't have to hear about it'. I tried to explain to him that they can't do whatever they want and that if he doesn't want to hear about it voting Yes would be his best bet because if it doesn't pass they'll keep campaigning for SSM. I don't think he got it though.

    I am avoiding talking to my mother about it because she and I have had the 'being gay is unnatural' argument in the past, though I get the feeling she'll probably vote yes, because equality.


  • #6226
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,869 ✭✭✭54and56


    I'm voting Yes and so is my wife. We're live and let live type people and not influenced by religion.

    I have a 14 year old son and a 10 year old daughter and for our next family night (usually cards or some sort of board game one evening a week) we're going to have a family debate with the 14 year old presenting the Yes argument and the 10 year old presenting the No argument.

    I'll revert and update how I'm going to vote if my daughter presents a compelling argument for the No campaign!!


  • #6227
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    In some respects you are actually right, enforced matrimony is clearly a stupid idea, but yes, there are thousands and thousands of fathers out there who have fathered children and contribute absolutely nothing to the upbringing of children that they fathered, and this is a burden to the taxpayer who steps in and pays their liability for them. But what have single mothers got to do with SSM??? As I said, single mothers I know hate the fact that they ended up being single mothers and where the father is not involved in their kids lives, they hate that more than anything else.



    How arrogant to assume that you can speak on behalf of an entire cross section of society.


  • #6228
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    I'll revert and update how I'm going to vote if my daughter presents a compelling argument for the No campaign!!

    Now that would be interesting. A ten year old being the first person to come up with a reasonable No argument...


  • #6229
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    I'm not bitter at all towards gays!!



    I'm waiting for the "I even have gay friends" comment :)


  • #6230
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,947 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Now that would be interesting. A ten year old being the first person to come up with a reasonable No argument...

    well she couldnt do a worse job could she?


  • #6231
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    I'm voting Yes and so is my wife. We're live and let live type people and not influenced by religion.

    I have a 14 year old son and a 10 year old daughter and for our next family night (usually cards or some sort of board game one evening a week) we're going to have a family debate with the 14 year old presenting the Yes argument and the 10 year old presenting the No argument.

    I'll revert and update how I'm going to vote if my daughter presents a compelling argument for the No campaign!!
    I would probably have said the 14 year old should fight the No side. It's a harder argument :)


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  • #6232
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Referring to them both as cars is the same as comparing gays and straights as being human..so you're missing the point

    I see you haven't learned overnight to differentiate between equality and sameness.


  • #6233
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    As I said, single mothers I know, hate the fact that they ended up being single mothers and where the father is not involved in their kids lives, they hate that more than anything else.
    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    How arrogant to assume that you can speak on behalf of an entire cross section of society.

    But he isn't. He clearly states that he is talking about the ones he knows.


  • #6234
    glic71rods46t0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭glic71rods46t0


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    I'm voting Yes and so is my wife. We're live and let live type people and not influenced by religion.

    I have a 14 year old son and a 10 year old daughter and for our next family night (usually cards or some sort of board game one evening a week) we're going to have a family debate with the 14 year old presenting the Yes argument and the 10 year old presenting the No argument.

    I'll revert and update how I'm going to vote if my daughter presents a compelling argument for the No campaign!!

    It's all happening at your family night. Is the 10 year old allowed to wait up for Prime Time on a school night?


  • #6235
    kitten_k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭kitten_k


    These children that the No campaign are so worried about are going to grow up and some of them will be gay. I am sure they will be grateful to the people who voted for them not to have the same rights as the straight children - because it was in their best interest!! Give me a break!:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #6236
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    But he isn't. He clearly states that he is talking about the ones he knows.



    I don't have time to go trawling through thirty pages of bitterness and inability to comprehend the issue that we are actually voting on, but he has on more than one occasion taken it upon himself to speak for all single mothers, denied parental status to anyone who has used assisted reproduction, parents step-children, those who have adopted their children etc - more than a cross section of society in fact.


    Every single parent he knows sits at home wailing and bemoaning the loss of their partner? Hard to believe. Harder again to believe he even has single parents in the circle of perfect, productive heterosexuals he surrounds himself with.


  • #6237
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I don't have time to go trawling through thirty pages of bitterness and inability to comprehend the issue that we are actually voting on, but he has on more than one occasion taken it upon himself to speak for all single mothers, denied parental status to anyone who has used assisted reproduction, parents step-children, those who have adopted their children etc - more than a cross section of society in fact.


    Every single parent he knows sits at home wailing and bemoaning the loss of their partner? Hard to believe. Harder again to believe he even has single parents in the circle of perfect, productive heterosexuals he surrounds himself with.

    I'm not here to defend Lord Norbury, but if you can't be bothered to look for the offending posts maybe you shouldn't bother ranting about them?


  • #6238
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I see you haven't learned overnight to differentiate between equality and sameness.

    Gays already have equality in this country. This referendum is asking us to give them something that just isn't meant for them.


  • #6239
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Gays already have equality in this country. This referendum is asking us to give them something that just isn't meant for them.

    According to you. Have you answered why you think voting No will protect the family yet?


  • #6240
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Gays already have equality in this country. This referendum is asking us to give them something that just isn't meant for them.

    All I can say to that is...... Nonsense.


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  • #6241
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Gays already have equality in this country. This referendum is asking us to give them something that just isn't meant for them.

    Women already have equality in this country. This referendum is asking us to give them something that just isn't meant for them.


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