Public sector pay increase

Sleepy wrote: »

Their managers, who are in turn are judged by their managers, who in turn are judged by theirs, all the way up to the Minister with responsibility for that Department who are judged by the cabinet formed by (not necessarily of) representatives returned by the electorate.


Honestly? I'd be going for the former. I don't want tea and sympathy from the health system, I want them to effectively diagnose and treat me.

Of course some cases will require more interaction between practitioner and patient than others so the metric of patients seen per hour is meaningless but you gave a rather specific example and "comforting" is not something I see as an effective use of resources. Of course, I'd expect the nurse to be as considerate as possible but I'd also expect him/her to realise their time is better spent healing than empathising.

It's only when you're really sick, or a loved one is really sick that you appreciate the value of a really good, compassionate nurse.

......so if someone is beyond treating, turf them? Give the bed to someone who can be cured?

BTW, what about a child, a dementia sufferer, an unconscious person how are they going to be 'effectively' investigated and diagnosed? It's easy to take a medical history from an articulate adult - bit more of a challenge to take one from a dementia sufferer.

Public service is a joke....truth be told its jobs for the boys gotten through politics for those who generally wouldnt cut it in the private sector....the majority of PS employees in Ireland are just wasters imo..:)..I actually know of a few who are full time PS workers and chronic alcoholics at the same time..go figure

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Then the public sector should be de-unionized. If I ran a company I wouldn't allow unions, why should the government?

It's a little thing called the constitution. An individual's right to free association is enshrined in it. ! Article 40.6

lakesider wrote: »

The public service in this country is overburdened by freeloaders through politics/cronyism..

A PS job in Ireland was always considered a job for life, guaranteed pay rises, guaranteed mortgage approval, guaranteed pension... what comes with all that is a guaranteed sense of self entitlement.

Specialun wrote: »

4 working days in a row ive gone to a certain public sector institute to get a copy of old results. Only one woman out of the 3 in the office "looks after" it

1) she finished early at 2.30 ( usually finishes at 4)
2) was on break ( 1 time i waited over 45 mins, it was 11am)
3) rang in sick


Must go again 2moro for 5th time

#justsaying

This must be very frustrating. I work in the public service and seeing this kind of thing makes me angry. I would say contact him or her in advance of your next visit to arrange a time and I would let them know how many attempts you've made at sourcing the information you need.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

De-unionizing the public sector would not infringe on these rights. The public have a right to form unions. They don't have a right to employer co-operation.

You said you wouldn't allow unions in your workplace and that the government shouldn't. I'm merely pointing out to you that it is a constitutional right to be a member of a union and the government can't be seen to be denying the constitutional rights of their employees. I'm not arguing about the rights and wrongs I'm pointing out that the right is enshrined in the constitution. You called me silly for suggesting it but I've shown it to be true !

smash wrote: »

The constitution also says that women shouldn't have to work because it would interfere with their duties in the home. I think it's time for an overhaul to be honest.

It does indeed say that! And then turns around and penalises those same women at the time of drawing down their pensions for not having enough "stamps" for those years!

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You haven't disproven anything I said the constitution allows membership of a union but it doesn't mandate employer co-operation.

Employers in Ireland are not legally obliged to recognise unions. They could be scrapped in the morning!

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You haven't disproven anything I said the constitution allows membership of a union but it doesn't mandate employer co-operation.

The government as an employer could not refuse to recognise a union. Personally I'm not mad on unions. I didn't even join one when I started in the PS. I only joined because on the day of the national strikes years ago my boss at the time ( non union) was insisting that all non union staff would have to pass the Picket of face the consequences . They would not allow leave to be taken and I would not pass a picket so I felt I had to join. I don't feel I've been represented well by my union but I won't go into my own personal circumstances on the Internet.

Years ago before I joined the public service I remember getting pay rises in the private sector inline with the partnership agreements. Even though I wasn't in a union my employer gave me pay rises that had been won by the unions. This was late 90's and early 2000's. They did serve a purpose to me then. Do public servants deserve a pay increase across the board- probably not. I think people don't realise how many deductions come from your wage in the public service. My current boss was promoted temporarily into their position recently. He will had to work for three months for no extra pay what so ever and a massive increase in workload effectively doing his old job and also the responsibilities of the new role. When the three months was up and the pay rise was paid 60 was gone in deductions out of the 100. Imagine! I think I would just let them have their job back!