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  • #332
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    Endthescam wrote: »
    A lot of students should try four years in the real worl and it might open their eyes. I'll admit that maybe they have a knowledge premium that justifies a 10-15% pay premium but not triple .

    Ah the "real world", that mythical place where "grafters" prevail and all the idiots with their fancy pieces of paper they got because Daddy paid them through college are seen as the bluffers that they are.

    I went to a public school, never received a single private grind, worked relatively hard in 6th year the get the points I needed to go to UCD. My family and I have made sacrifices to get me through the last four years, in 2011 I moved into an absolute hole of a house in Waterford for the entire summer because the only job I could get was shift work in a cash and carry down there. I've given grinds every weekend for the last four academic years. I've never had money but I've always found it.

    None of that was difficult and this isn't a martyr post. Every single act was and is selfish, I did it because I wanted to make good money and have a career rather than a job. I always had the books in my bag and the uniform on my back but I had very few privileges other than that and in my opinion people make excuses for their own lack of drive. They wait to be handed it and when it doesn't arrive they assume it must have been handed to someone else when in reality you have to grab it by the throat and take it.


  • #333
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    Endthescam wrote: »

    I have skills. Talking to people, graft, good attitude. But these are unfashionable these days so I better get in line with the rest.

    They're not unfashionable, they're just remarkably common and as such don't command much of a return.


  • #334
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    Endthescam wrote: »
    ,That's the problem these days. Everyone staring into a device afraid to talk to each other. I did 20 years bar work but nothing there for me now. People want to drink cans at home and stare at a computer rather than have a chat in a pub. Im not wanted here any more and maybe it's time I ended it.

    All I'm asking is to live with some dignity. A living wage for everyone to be the person they are. No poverty just everyone on 25k net a year. People getting paid too much to fund those not earning enough.

    Your claims about a great attitude and work ethic are at odds with your post:
    • You resent those who are more successful than you and make arbitrary claims that they don't deserve their success with no understand of what they do or trying to learn from them.
    • You cast yourself as a social pariah and refuse to accept that the world changes and everyone needs to change with it. It is not the strongest or the most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change.- Darwin
    • You believe everyone should get 25k p/a without working. Aside from the disastrous economic implications (and inflation), this belief is the antithesis of a belief in hard work.

    All your contributions to this thread are really about painting yourself as a victim instead of how you could improve your lot in life. This is why you are in the situation you are in.


  • #335
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    After reading this thread I feel cash poor but brain rich.

    The amount of drones on here living to work is very eye opening.


  • #336
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    After reading this thread I feel cash poor but brain rich.

    The amount of drones on here living to work is very eye opening.

    its worrying actually. there really is more to life than work. been there done that but i guess some people do love the whole career thing. never got it really. i kinna feel sorry for the career driven people to be honest. sold on the impossible dream i think and all its doing is robbing your time. my opinion i guess


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  • #337
    iusedtoknow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    its worrying actually. there really is more to life than work. been there done that but i guess some people do love the whole career thing. never got it really. i kinna feel sorry for the career driven people to be honest. sold on the impossible dream i think and all its doing is robbing your time. my opinion i guess

    someone has to pay for the benefits paid out in rent allowance, unemployment benefit , medical cards etc

    I'm happy in my job, my wife loves hers and is off for 3 months with MSF to Liberia to help rebuild the medical system now that ebola is under control. Sure we get paid well, but the plan is to retire early once we feel set up enough to not be a drain on the public.

    There is nothing noble in poverty and certainly there is nothing noble in benefits when you could be working


  • #338
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    iusedtoknow wrote: »
    someone has to pay for the benefits paid out in rent allowance, unemployment benefit , medical cards etc

    I'm happy in my job, my wife loves hers and is off for 3 months with MSF to Liberia to help rebuild the medical system now that ebola is under control. Sure we get paid well, but the plan is to retire early once we feel set up enough to not be a drain on the public.

    There is nothing noble in poverty and certainly there is nothing noble in benefits when you could be working

    Do you really expect people to believe that you kill yourself to pay taxes in order to keep society afloat? Come off it!

    Your primary goal is to line your pockets with as much cash as possible for your own use.

    Don't make yourself out to be some kind of hero ffs!:rolleyes:


  • #339
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    its worrying actually. there really is more to life than work. been there done that but i guess some people do love the whole career thing. never got it really. i kinna feel sorry for the career driven people to be honest. sold on the impossible dream i think and all its doing is robbing your time. my opinion i guess

    I'd rather something engaging and challenging that enables a comfortable lifestyle than a handy 9 to 5 on mediocre money and skipping home everyday relishing how free spirited I am. I think that's the big point people miss about hard working people, they relish the battle rather than suffering it.


  • #340
    iusedtoknow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    Do you really expect people to believe that you kill yourself to pay taxes in order to keep society afloat? Come off it!

    Your primary goal is to line your pockets with as much cash as possible for your own use.

    Don't make yourself out to be some kind of hero ffs!:rolleyes:

    I'm not a hero - i work hard, and get good benefits but am not so dumb to think that the money that the government doles out comes from nowhere.

    And anyway - how do you know what my primary goal is?...seriously - think about that at 12:30 on a sunday night. You talk down about people "living to work". I get a good solid 8 weeks off a year that I use to travel and enjoy my life in between work - while my wife is taking a 3 month sabbatical (without pay) to work in a 3rd world country, using her skills to help a country recover

    Think long and hard about taking potshots against people that are willing to stretch themselves a bit.


  • #341
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    iusedtoknow wrote: »
    someone has to pay for the benefits paid out in rent allowance, unemployment benefit , medical cards etc

    I'm happy in my job, my wife loves hers and is off for 3 months with MSF to Liberia to help rebuild the medical system now that ebola is under control. Sure we get paid well, but the plan is to retire early once we feel set up enough to not be a drain on the public.

    There is nothing noble in poverty and certainly there is nothing noble in benefits when you could be working

    do you think we should abolish the social welfare system?

    good to hear you and your wife are happy in your jobs. something i havent been able to achieve yet. you're never a drain on the public. you work hard and pay your taxes. you deserve to be rewarded for this.

    not sure what you mean with the use of the word noble? poverty is a dreadful thing. we should be ashamed of ourselves to still have this as a part of life on this planet. there is enough wealth on the planet to prevent it. im glad i live in a country which has some sort of social welfare system. i have been to countries that do not and i know others that have been to worse places and yes they said life is unbearable in these countries.


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  • #342
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    iusedtoknow wrote: »
    I'm not a hero - i work hard, and get good benefits but am not so dumb to think that the money that the government doles out comes from nowhere.

    And anyway - how do you know what my primary goal is?...seriously - think about that at 12:30 on a sunday night.

    You're an Irishman succeeding in Silicon Valley, you shall pay your begrudgery levy at the higher rate and with no sneer free allowance.


  • #343
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    You're an Irishman succeeding in Silicon Valley, you shall pay your begrudgery levy at the higher rate and with no sneer free allowance.

    By 'succeeding' you mean raking in heaps of cash.

    That is all that really matters to 99% of people in this thread.

    Not all of us are as materialistic, or feel we have to save society by paying as much tax as possible. :o


  • #344
    iusedtoknow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    do you think we should abolish the social welfare system?

    good to hear you and your wife are happy in your jobs. something i havent been able to achieve yet. you're never a drain on the public. you work hard and pay your taxes. you deserve to be rewarded for this.

    not sure what you mean with the use of the word noble? poverty is a dreadful thing. we should be ashamed of ourselves to still have this as a part of life on this planet. there is enough wealth on the planet to prevent it. im glad i live in a country which has some sort of social welfare system. i have been to countries that do not and i know others that have been to worse places and yes they said life is unbearable in these countries.

    I'm actually a socialist, through and through - I believe in free education and healthcare for all - regardless of income level. However, I also know that the money for it has to come from somewhere.

    I am more talking of people that sneer on people that enjoy their work and career, almost in an inverted snobbery sort of way - while at the same time taking from the government in anyway they know how.

    Tax payers deserve no reward - i really do believe in a rising tide lifting all the boats.


  • #345
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    iusedtoknow wrote: »
    I'm actually a socialist, through and through - I believe in free education and healthcare for all - regardless of income level. However, I also know that the money for it has to come from somewhere.

    I am more talking of people that sneer on people that enjoy their work and career, almost in an inverted snobbery sort of way - while at the same time taking from the government in anyway they know how.

    Tax payers deserve no reward - i really do believe in a rising tide lifting all the boats.

    its good to hear, we re on a similar page then. im becoming increasingly worried of the direction our country is taking particularly in regards healthcare and education. of course the money required must come from taxes but this is not happening in the correct manner.

    i have my own theories regarding the people you mention. social welfare is a critical system to have. it exists to prevent people from falling into severe poverty and ultimately death. unfortunately there will always be people that will take advantage of that. there may not be any alternative to preventing this problem. id rather exist in a society that has this system.

    id have to disagree with you regarding taxpayers. the taxpayers of ireland deserve far more than what they are getting. taxpayers deserve free healthcare and free education. something is seriously wrong in this country regarding these issues


  • #346
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    iusedtoknow wrote: »
    I'm actually a socialist, through and through - I believe in free education and healthcare for all - regardless of income level. However, I also know that the money for it has to come from somewhere.

    I am more talking of people that sneer on people that enjoy their work and career, almost in an inverted snobbery sort of way - while at the same time taking from the government in anyway they know how.

    Tax payers deserve no reward - i really do believe in a rising tide lifting all the boats.[/QUOTE]

    Just as long as you're in the yacht....

    I don't believe people "enjoy work", they merely enjoy the cash they get for doing it.

    You wouldn't work for free etc.


  • #347
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    By 'succeeding' you mean raking in heaps of cash.

    That is all that really matters to 99% of people in this thread.

    Not all of us are as materialistic, or feel we have to save society by paying as much tax as possible. :o

    "Don't let the fear of the time it will take to accomplish something stand in the way of your doing it. The time will pass anyway; we might just as well put that passing time to the best possible use."

    If I'm going to work 40 hours a week for the foreseeable future to facilitate a lifestyle it might as well be a challenge unto itself and it might as well facilitate a lifestyle that I can enjoy. I've no intention of buying a BMW or anything of that ilk but I plan to travel far and wide and when the time comes be able to raise a family with every advantage I can give them. Thankfully I can accomplish all this in a job I actively enjoy.

    I did not equate succeeding with "raking in heaps of cash" (although the two are not mutually exclusive) so don't put words in my mouth. I just find it very hard to believe that there's more job satisfaction in doing an average industrial job for the average industrial wage than it is to do something challenging and rewarding for significantly more money. As I said, if you're going to put 40 hours a week into it you should be trying to get as much back out of it as you can.


  • #348
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    PutDownArtist wrote: »

    I don't believe people "enjoy work", they merely enjoy the cash they get for doing it.

    You wouldn't work for free etc.

    You have to make a living, do you want to commit to an engaging battle for a great one or sit watching a clock for an average one?


  • #349
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I don't believe people "enjoy work", they merely enjoy the cash they get for doing it.

    You wouldn't work for free etc.

    id have to disagree there. ive met many people that live for their jobs. its everything to them but i do to some degree see what your getting at. i think there are many mickey mouse jobs out there that give little or no job satisfaction. a lot of these jobs pay poorly also which is dreadful. i have also met people that would be on the lower waged bracket and they also love their jobs

    many people work for free on this planet. id have great admiration for people like that


  • #350
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    "Don't let the fear of the time it will take to accomplish something stand in the way of your doing it. The time will pass anyway; we might just as well put that passing time to the best possible use."

    If I'm going to work 40 hours a week for the foreseeable future to facilitate a lifestyle it might as well be a challenge unto itself and it might as well facilitate a lifestyle that I can enjoy. I've no intention of buying a BMW or anything of that ilk but I plan to travel far and wide and when the time comes be able to raise a family with every advantage I can give them. Thankfully I can accomplish all this in a job I actively enjoy.

    I did not equate succeeding with "raking in heaps of cash" (although the two are not mutually exclusive) so don't put words in my mouth. I just find it very hard to believe that there's more job satisfaction in doing an average industrial job for the average industrial wage than it is to do something challenging and rewarding. As I said, if you're going to put 40 hours a week into it you should be trying to get as much back out of it as you can.

    I can't have any lifestyle at all if I'm working 40 hrs per week. It's more of a workstyle.

    I do however wish you well. Enjoy the cash mountain.


  • #351
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    I can't have any lifestyle at all if I'm working 40 hrs per week. It's more of a workstyle.

    are you struggling to make ends meet? how many hours a week are you working?


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  • #352
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    I can't have any lifestyle at all if I'm working 40 hrs per week. It's more of a workstyle.

    I do however wish you well. Enjoy the cash mountain.

    You're obviously from wealth, claim to never work and yet can afford the highest horse in all the land.


  • #353
    punk_one82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭punk_one82


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    I can't have any lifestyle at all if I'm working 40 hrs per week. It's more of a workstyle.

    I do however wish you well. Enjoy the cash mountain.

    There are 168 hours in a week. You can't have any lifestyle at all if you work for 40 of those? I don't believe you're more about just wanting to live this great life with no restrictions. Your posts come across as nothing but lazy.


  • #354
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    You're obviously from wealth, claim to never work and yet can afford the highest horse in all the land.

    None of those are true! I clearly stated in this thread my earnings are less than 10 k per year.

    Try keeping any kind of horse on such an amount. :o


  • #355
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    There are 168 hours in a week. You can't have any lifestyle at all if you work for 40 of those? I don't believe you're more about just wanting to live this great life with no restrictions. Your posts come across as nothing but lazy.

    depends on your situation i guess. some people do commute a lot for work. this can pretty much dissolve your time. i had a pretty good lifestyle with a 40 hour working week but i only lived a few minutes from my job. i think id struggle with the commuter lifestyle


  • #356
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    None of those are true! I clearly stated in this thread my earnings are less than 10 k per year.

    Try keeping any kind of horse on such an amount. :o

    jasus how are you surviving on that?

    think i know a fella selling a one legged fella. can enquire if you like?


  • #357
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    None of those are true! I clearly stated in this thread my earnings are less than 10 k per year.

    Try keeping any kind of horse on such an amount. :o

    You charge me with being rendered incapable of leading a decent lifestyle because I work 39 hours a week, I in response argue that irrespective of how unmaterialistic one is scraping by on €200 a week is no way to live.


  • #358
    punk_one82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭punk_one82


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    depends on your situation i guess. some people do commute a lot for work. this can pretty much dissolve your time. i had a pretty good lifestyle with a 40 hour working week but i only lived a few minutes from my job. i think id struggle with the commuter lifestyle

    I'm well aware - I commuted 4 1/2 hours round trip Monday-Friday for my last job and it was tough. A 40 hour working week with a relatively short distance to travel is in no way keeping anyone from having a decent lifestyle though.


  • #359
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    You charge me with being rendered incapable of leading a decent lifestyle because I work 39 hours a week, I in response argue that irrespective of how unmaterialistic one is scraping by on €200 a week is no way to live.

    A lot of interesting things in life are free, not everything has to be about spending or earning cash.

    Perhaps my lifestyle is only suitable for people with an advanced philosophical mindset.

    You either have it or you don't.


  • #360
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    Perhaps my lifestyle is only suitable for people with an advanced philosophical mindset.

    You either have it or you don't.

    Jaysis.


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  • #361
    punk_one82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭punk_one82


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    A lot of interesting things in life are free, not everything has to be about spending or earning cash.

    Perhaps my lifestyle is only suitable for people with an advanced philosophical mindset.

    You either have it or you don't.

    Trollololol. Did you develop this advanced philosophical mindset while hiking Machu Picchu?


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