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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #5762
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,381 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    You're on thin ice with comments like this to be honest.

    Sure there are a few fruitcakes, but the vast majority have valid reasons for voting either way.

    I'm sure they do, I was merely commenting on the ones who have posted here.


  • #5763
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    http://www.marriage4everyone.com/#!Irish-People-–-10-Answers-You-Should-Know-Before-Going-to-Vote-on-May-22-2015/c1kod/553b73e30cf23d01644ec3c5


  • #5764
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    I won't be voting. This doesn't affect me either way, so I'll let those with an opinion sort it out amongst themselves.


  • #5765
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    You are not a friend of democracy it seems.

    The result is a foregone conclusion so my no vote is purely symbolic.:o

    Your vote may be symbolic,
    Your reason is symbollicks


  • #5766
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »
    I will vote no. I think the risk of child abuse increases with 2 male gay parents, it is less likely the adoptive parents but the number of other partners who will gain access to the children to a certain degree. Say 40 partners by 15 years, 600 people and everyone has behaved to some extent outside the norm, some will have behaved way outside the norm.

    Personally I think the re-introduction of an alleged link between homosexuality and paedophilia into the debate is annoying, it has been tried so many times to sully it and homosexuals. I have noticed that any mention of paedophilia is usually in court cases here about criminal sexual acts carried out by straight people on kids entrusted into their care by parents, or even state agencies and quango's.


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  • #5767
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Your vote may be symbolic,
    Your reason is symbollicks

    Feel free to blame me if your dream of getting married is thwarted by a single vote.:pac:


  • #5768
    Madame_Diem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Madame_Diem


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Personally I think the re-introduction of an alleged link between homosexuality and paedophilia into the debate is annoying, it has been tried so many times to sully it and homosexuals. I have noticed that any mention of paedophilia is usually in court cases here about criminal sexual acts carried out by straight people on kids entrusted into their care by parents, or even state agencies and quango's.


    This real Putins Russia bs.
    1 in 5 boys are supposed to be abused while the figure is higher for girls at 1 in 4.


  • #5769
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    Feel free to blame me if your dream of getting married is thwarted by a single vote.:pac:

    And another single vote and another and another...


  • #5770
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    You are not a friend of democracy it seems.

    The result is a foregone conclusion so my no vote is purely symbolic.:o

    It's not a foregone conclusion though, there's a pretty strong chance it could fail because the people who are strongly motivated to voting no (or just plain misinformed into thinking they're voting on surrogacy and adoption) will be out in strong numbers and the people who would vote yes are going to assume it's a foregone conclusion.

    If you're indifferent to or in favour of SSM how are you going to feel if you contribute to it failing because you disliked the consensus on an internet forum?

    Would it not be more of a statement to inform yourself on the issues and make a decision based on that? Or if you really are completely turned off by the nature of the debate, could you not just abstain?


  • #5771
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    Feel free to blame me if your dream of getting married is thwarted by a single vote.:pac:

    It has no impact on me.
    I would, however, like the right to marry to be extended to all persons regardless of sex. Quite simple.


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  • #5772
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Links234 wrote: »
    Oh I've heard it all. ;)

    But yeah, that one is a doozy! Someone's gonna go through all the physical process of transition, gonna risk being ostracized by their friends and family, risk losing their job, their home, and risk abuse and even violence in public, so that they can get into the ladies room and... and, wait a minute, there's single cubicles? What a let-down that'd be :p

    Really? You've heard it all? Do you not remember when Mary Hanafin suggested trans people went through surgery in order to defraud social welfare

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #5773
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I'm voting yes, because inexplicably the happiness others seems to be somewhat in my hands. It's an embarrassment that we even have to have a referendum on this.

    Should gay people be allowed to marry and have the same rights ? Of course.


  • #5774
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Really? You've heard it all? Do you not remember when Mary Hanafin suggested trans people went through surgery in order to defraud social welfare

    Gays use the placenta of aborted foetuses to stay young...

    She's so far right le pen looks moderate...


  • #5775
    Madame_Diem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Madame_Diem


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Really? You've heard it all? Do you not remember when Mary Hanafin suggested trans people went through surgery in order to defraud social welfare

    Thats almost too funny to be true.


  • #5776
    Madame_Diem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Madame_Diem


    efb wrote: »
    Gays use the placenta of aborted foetuses to stay young...

    She's so far right le pen looks moderate...

    She became buddies with Ian Paisley and even went to his funeral.


  • #5777
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »
    It's not a foregone conclusion though, there's a pretty strong chance it could fail because the people who are strongly motivated to voting no (or just plain misinformed into thinking they're voting on surrogacy and adoption) will be out in strong numbers and the people who would vote yes are going to assume it's a foregone conclusion.

    If you're indifferent to or in favour of SSM how are you going to feel if you contribute to it failing because you disliked the consensus on an internet forum?

    Would it not be more of a statement to inform yourself on the issues and make a decision based on that? Or if you really are completely turned off by the nature of the debate, could you not just abstain?

    I don't need to 'inform myself of the issues' because they don't affect me. That is why under normal circumstances I'd vote yes.

    But people or here are grouping together to torpedo the arguments and reasons people have for voting no.

    You can't bully your way across the line on this, it isn't on imo. That is why I'm taking a stand.


  • #5778
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Zaph wrote: »
    I don't believe that, people should be allowed vote no if they want to. The problem is that most of the no voters on this thread have used spurious, made up reasons to try and justify their choice. If they came out and were honest about being homophobic, ultra-religious or whatever that would be fine. But when you see the nonsense being spouted about surrogacy, adoption, paedophilia and so on it's hard to see why those people should be allowed vote.

    If they came out and said that they were homophobic/disgusted by gays/just didn't like them,then with a Little teasing,said poster could probably be banned/infracted.With a footnote such as "boards.ie does not tolerate homophobia/racism/sexism-please take your business elsewhere xx Zaph/Gordon /Dav "

    Sometimes one has to be less than forthcoming on certain topics to stay with the site rules.


  • #5779
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    I don't need to 'inform myself of the issues' because they don't affect me. That is why under normal circumstances I'd vote yes.

    But people or here are grouping together to torpedo the arguments and reasons people have for voting no.

    You can't bully your way across the line on this, it isn't on imo. That is why I'm taking a stand.

    So because one set of people annoy you ,you are going to take it out on a different set ?:confused:


  • #5780
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Madame_Diem wrote: »
    I'm almost tempted to vote Yes just to put the thing to bed but my parents are from Donegal so I have to vote No.
    melbite wrote: »
    Why do you have to vote no? sure they won't know what you vote :)
    sup_dude wrote: »
    :confused:

    I'm from Donegal... I don't see your point.
    steamengine wrote: »
    They don't look over your shoulder in the ballot box surely ?

    Yea Ma 'Of course I voted No' - just a little white lie. ;)
    nathang20 wrote: »
    Oh my good God! WOW fair play to ya! its nice to know there are people out there with their own minds! :\


    When you wander into an area where people have absolutely no ability to recognise humour, you know you are in a very dangerous place.


  • #5781
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    I don't need to 'inform myself of the issues' because they don't affect me. That is why under normal circumstances I'd vote yes.

    But people or here are grouping together to torpedo the arguments and reasons people have for voting no.

    You can't bully your way across the line on this, it isn't on imo. That is why I'm taking a stand.

    Would you not default to equality first ? And so vote yes to enable all people have the same rights if it is such a trivial matter to you. Rather than deprive people of a right on a whim ?


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  • #5782
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Really? You've heard it all? Do you not remember when Mary Hanafin suggested trans people went through surgery in order to defraud social welfare

    Haven't heard that specifically, no, but I've heard all sorts of idiots saying that transgender people are commiting fraud, that identifying as a different gender is fraud and that transgender people are commiting identity theft! :pac:

    seriously, the utter sh*te I've heard directed at trans people is unreal, and I doubt you'll find something that surprises me.


  • #5783
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    But people or here are grouping together to torpedo the arguments and reasons people have for voting no.

    You're voting no because the no arguments aren't holding up to scrutiny?


  • #5784
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    marienbad wrote: »
    So because one set of people annoy you ,you are going to take it out on a different set ?:confused:

    If that's the negative way you want to frame my democratic input...:rolleyes:


  • #5785
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    If that's the negative way you want to frame my democratic input...:rolleyes:

    How would you put it ? There are only 50 people of so posting on these threads , so because some of them in the internet bubble annoyed you, you are going to deprive 300,000 people in the real world of something you concede means nothing to you but everything to them ?


  • #5786
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    You're on thin ice with comments like this to be honest.

    Sure there are a few fruitcakes, but the vast majority have valid reasons for voting either way.

    I hope you keep your's above in mind if and when you read the literature from the referendum commission about the two referendum issues you can vote on on the 22nd May, so's your choices are made with the issues in mind and how they affect people, rather than a response to the volume of YES over NO that you see here, like you indicated in your previous post. Personally that sounded like a rushed judgement to me, not a thought-through look at and response to a very important issue for a lot of people.


  • #5787
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    There's no point engaging with these types, they're either trolling or were always voting no right from the start. The fact they're complaining about the conduct of those advocating a yes vote in a thread that has repeatedly had 'no' posters comparing gay people to pedophiles says it all.

    Not that I'm saying people on the yes side have been perfect, far from it.

    And it's not like those posts are way back in the thread. He literally skipped right over the ones saying that gay men are child abusers which was only a page or two back...


  • #5788
    PutDownArtist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭PutDownArtist


    marienbad wrote: »
    How would you put it ? There are only 50 people of so posting on these threads , so because some of them in the internet bubble annoyed you, you are going to deprive 300,000 people in the real world of something you concede means nothing to you but everything to them ?

    So suddenly I have all the votes do I?:confused:

    My little vote is a token gesture towards restoring some balance.


  • #5789
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    PutDownArtist wrote: »

    My little vote is a token gesture towards restoring some balance.

    And you wonder why people get annoyed...


  • #5790
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,381 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    crockholm wrote: »
    If they came out and said that they were homophobic/disgusted by gays/just didn't like them,then with a Little teasing,said poster could probably be banned/infracted.With a footnote such as "boards.ie does not tolerate homophobia/racism/sexism-please take your business elsewhere xx Zaph/Gordon /Dav "

    Sometimes one has to be less than forthcoming on certain topics to stay with the site rules.

    I take your point. However if someone posted that they would be voting no because their religion is against homosexuality, or because they personally are uncomfortable with the idea of two men being together, then I'd find it very hard to justify banning them from the site. But in my experience the people who get sitebanned for homophobia tend to be the "two men having sex is disgusting and they really need to learn how their penises should be used" type. Posting downright lies to avoid losing your posting privileges on the site seems rather a strange alternative to telling the truth.


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  • #5791
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    PutDownArtist wrote: »
    So suddenly I have all the votes do I?:confused:

    My little vote is a token gesture towards restoring some balance.

    You do accept that your vote , even if it is only one vote ,it does have an effect, otherwise why the gesture ?

    But restore balance where ? If you have a gripe on the internet why not fight it on the internet ?

    Where is the balance in the real world where these thing really matter ? On one side you have the Catholic Church and every other religion , Opus Dei Coir, Iona and their American money and seemingly endless access to print radio and tv with their full time campaigners and lobbyists . On the other side you have a raggle taggle gypsy-o army of volunteers ( all with other fulltime jobs) under the umbrella of the Yes campaign dependant on voluntary donations of 5's 10's 20's from the general public.

    Where is the balance is the question all right.


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