How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

glic71rods46t0 · 26-04-2015 08:57PM

I wouldn't be sure of the level of support for the referendum. Starting to hear people saying in private that they will vote no but in public say they will vote yes. I think that reflects on certain elements of the yes side who think it's ok to DEMAND that you justify a NO position or get labelled a bigot. This is counter productive to reasoned debate and will make this referendum a close run thing

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 08:58PM

aloyisious wrote: »

I was pleasantly surprised Friday night getting off the bus near home when the driver told me that he was voting yes in the marriage referendum, and signed toward's my YES badge. I hadn't talked to him about it and it made for a good end to the day. The driver was, by his accent, not your average Irish voter, having spoken with an Asian-Indian sounding accent. It lead me to recall, once again, that one's accent or colour is no indicator of one's nationality or belief. So I'm hoping that he wasn't just being friendly, but a person with a vote as well.

I actually think that if there is a successful NO vote towards the referendum about marriage, that the next step by Iona will be to take a case to the courts to rescind, on the grounds of unconstitutionality, of advances made in civil law towards civil rights and marriage, including divorce. This came to mind when I listened to David Quinn on the 1PM RTE radio news today, talking about the family and children bill and how the Govt had (without discussion) imposed it on the country, and how a case could be taken to the courts to declare it unconstitutional as a result. I believe that if he had his way, the RC Church would hold sway over all manner of civil life here, including those of the bus driver. So I say to persons of faith and of no faith thinking about their vote and the marriage issue, think deeply about what way a NO result would be read by David Quinn and his fellow travellers.

I don't think it will be the Iona who will take the case. There are always people taking cases either way. As regards to the Catholic Church I think they would do more damage if they supported the Yes side. They are soon on their way to irrelevance just like the Church of England. It would be better in a way if the Yes side won. It would put the matter to rest. If there is a No vote there be alot of nasty recrimination and there will be pressure for another referendum.

marienbad · 26-04-2015 09:02PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I don't think it will be the Iona who will take the case. There are always people taking cases either way. As regards to the Catholic Church I think they would do more damage if they supported the Yes side. They are soon on their way to irrelevance just like the Church of England. It would be better in a way if the Yes side won. It would put the matter to rest. If there is a No vote there be alot of nasty recrimination and there will be pressure for another referendum.

IN the event of a no vote another referendum is inevitable , just a question of when.

So unless people want this bugging them for the next 10 years may I suggest you vote yes now and get it out of the way .

melbite · 26-04-2015 09:03PM

I'm absolutely voting yes - don't understand why anyone would vote no.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 09:04PM

yvo8hzxb9fku3e wrote: »

I wouldn't be sure of the level of support for the referendum. Starting to hear people saying in private that they will vote no but in public say they will vote yes. I think that reflects on certain elements of the yes side who think it's ok to DEMAND that you justify a NO position or get labelled a bigot. This is counter productive to reasoned debate and will make this referendum a close run thing

I think the No side is alot higher. There is the Brown effect I think its called in America where black candidates are higher in polls than actual election day because white people polled are afraid to be seen as racist.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 09:06PM

marienbad wrote: »

IN the event of a no vote another referendum is inevitable , just a question of when.

So unless people want this bugging them for the next 10 years may I suggest you vote yes now and get it out of the way .

I'm almost tempted to vote Yes just to put the thing to bed but my parents are from Donegal so I have to vote No.

melbite · 26-04-2015 09:07PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I'm almost tempted to vote Yes just to put the thing to bed but my parents are from Donegal so I have to vote No.

Why do you have to vote no? sure they won't know what you vote

20Cent · 26-04-2015 09:07PM

Saw a load of the No posters about today, the every child deserves a mother and father ones. They actually annoyed me, everyone knows someone from a one parent family imagine how they feel seeing them. I think that strategy will backfire big time they are dishonest, manipulative and offensive.
Just all the yes voters need to get out and vote. No voters stay at home.

Ave Sodalis · 26-04-2015 09:10PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I'm almost tempted to vote Yes just to put the thing to bed but my parents are from Donegal so I have to vote No.

I'm from Donegal... I don't see your point.

steamengine · 26-04-2015 09:11PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I'm almost tempted to vote Yes just to put the thing to bed but my parents are from Donegal so I have to vote No.

They don't look over your shoulder in the ballot box surely ?

Yea Ma 'Of course I voted No' - just a little white lie.

nathang20 · 26-04-2015 09:17PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I'm almost tempted to vote Yes just to put the thing to bed but my parents are from Donegal so I have to vote No.

Oh my good God! WOW fair play to ya! its nice to know there are people out there with their own minds! $:\$

Benefits Supevisor Resting · 26-04-2015 09:26PM

I will vote no. I think the risk of child abuse increases with 2 male gay parents, it is less likely the adoptive parents but the number of other partners who will gain access to the children to a certain degree. Say 40 partners by 15 years, 600 people and everyone has behaved to some extent outside the norm, some will have behaved way outside the norm.

AtomicHorror · 26-04-2015 09:28PM

Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »

I will vote no. I think the risk of child abuse increases with 2 male gay parents...

You think? Who cares what you "think"? Back it up.

Ave Sodalis · 26-04-2015 09:29PM

Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »

I will vote no. I think the risk of child abuse increases with 2 male gay parents, it is less likely the adoptive parents but the number of other partners who will gain access to the children to a certain degree. Say 40 partners by 15 years, 600 people and everyone has behaved to some extent outside the norm, some will have behaved way outside the norm.

a) This isn't true

b) This isn't what the referendum is about. Adoption is happening and will happen regardless of the referendum.

AtomicHorror · 26-04-2015 09:32PM

sup_dude wrote: »

a) This isn't true

b) This isn't what the referendum is about. Adoption is happening and will happen regardless of the referendum.

At what point do we accept that the arguments have become so vile that we cease engaging with them as if they are worthy of any rational person's time or energy?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 26-04-2015 09:33PM

Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »

I will vote no. I think the risk of child abuse increases with 2 male gay parents, it is less likely the adoptive parents but the number of other partners who will gain access to the children to a certain degree. Say 40 partners by 15 years, 600 people and everyone has behaved to some extent outside the norm, some will have behaved way outside the norm.

Ok, we've had bisexuals are incapable of monogamy and gay men are promiscuous child molesters. Could somebody please say something about lesbians and penis envy and I think we have the hat trick?

Ave Sodalis · 26-04-2015 09:34PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

At what point do we accept that the arguments have become so vile that we cease engaging with them as if they are worthy of any rational person's time or energy?

Not sure.. I do know however, is that the misconception that the referendum is about adoption and children still seems to be rampant and I fear it's due to the No side's posters.

AtomicHorror · 26-04-2015 09:39PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Not sure.. I do know however, is that the misconception that the referendum is about adoption and children still seems to be rampant and I fear it's due to the No side's posters.

I think we need a whole heap of rebuttal posters with an up arrow and the words "horse ****".

Or if we feel like we can spare the effort, something less crude, I guess. It's hard to be patient in the face of this kind of wretched ignorance.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 09:39PM

sup_dude wrote: »

I'm from Donegal... I don't see your point.

It was a joke as Donegal always votes No.

On a side, I see the Presbyterian Church and Methodist Church has called for a No as well as 16 other churches in Donegal. I wonder how much influence it will have on East Donegal.

Zaph · 26-04-2015 09:40PM

Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »

I will vote no. I think the risk of child abuse increases with 2 male gay parents, it is less likely the adoptive parents but the number of other partners who will gain access to the children to a certain degree. Say 40 partners by 15 years, 600 people and everyone has behaved to some extent outside the norm, some will have behaved way outside the norm.

So what you're saying is that two gay men will go to the trouble of adopting a child, then for no apparent reason will split up (or not) and will have an additional 20 partners each per year for the 15 years after they adopt the child, some of whom will abuse the child? Yep, that sounds like a well thought out and logical argument.

steamengine · 26-04-2015 09:47PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

It was a joke as Donegal always votes No.

On a side, I see the Presbyterian Church and Methodist Church has called for a No as well as 16 other churches in Donegal. I wonder how much influence it will have on East Donegal.

Methodist church is leaving it to the individuals own conscience as to how they vote. They do however hold to the traditional view of marriage as do all the mainstream churches.

aFunnyWorld · 26-04-2015 09:51PM

Not an Irish national but if I could vote I'd definitely support marriage equality. Everyone deserves to marry someone they love. And there are also practical aspects that are overlooked, like how being a spouse means much more legally than being a 'partner' (medical decision are one example, or your workplace providing you with more benefits etc.).

Must admit I'm pretty confused about the 'what about the children' argument that's thrown around so often. There are a whole lot of different family structure out there, and some heterosexual couples make bad parents and the children are taken away from them - yet we don't ban them from reproducing. But we just assume gay parents will be 'bad' because there won't be role models from each gender? Might as well force single parents to give away their children then? /rant over

Benefits Supevisor Resting · 26-04-2015 09:52PM

Zaph wrote: »

So what you're saying is that two gay men will go to the trouble of adopting a child, then for no apparent reason will split up (or not) and will have an additional 20 partners each per year for the 15 years after they adopt the child, some of whom will abuse the child? Yep, that sounds like a well thought out and logical argument.

You are saying that. I am saying that if you repeatedly allow children to be in the company of men who consistently behave outside the norm you are increasing the risk to the children.

Ave Sodalis · 26-04-2015 09:53PM

Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »

You are saying that. I am saying that if you repeatedly allow children to be in the company of men who consistently behave outside the norm you are increasing the risk to the children.

Which isn't true. What about women?

Ave Sodalis · 26-04-2015 09:55PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I think we need a whole heap of rebuttal posters with an up arrow and the words "horse ****".

Or if we feel like we can spare the effort, something less crude, I guess. It's hard to be patient in the face of this kind of wretched ignorance.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/10641173_1599758006965184_5940699310338837231_n.jpg?oh=2748634d9ede0843cd72b1dbe795e31f&oe=55D30656&__gda__=1439953150_1c0ca83823986f9b955d013598f6561f

In Kilkenny

Madame_Diem wrote: »

On a side, I see the Presbyterian Church and Methodist Church has called for a No as well as 16 other churches in Donegal. I wonder how much influence it will have on East Donegal.

I would imagine as much as every other rural part of Ireland. You'll get some who will be influenced by it because they follow the Church in everything it does, and you'll have others who can make their own minds up.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 26-04-2015 09:57PM

Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »

You are saying that. I am saying that if you repeatedly allow children to be in the company of men who consistently behave outside the norm you are increasing the risk to the children.

Do you know what gay means? That's a serious question.

aFunnyWorld · 26-04-2015 09:57PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Which isn't true. What about women?

Didn't you know, lesbians and bi women don't exist /sarcasm

Links234 · 26-04-2015 10:03PM

Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »

Ok, we've had bisexuals are incapable of monogamy and gay men are promiscuous child molesters. Could somebody please say something about lesbians and penis envy and I think we have the hat trick?

And what about us transgender people? Gosh I'm feeling awfully left out. :pac:

marienbad · 26-04-2015 10:06PM

Benefits Supevisor Resting wrote: »

I will vote no. I think the risk of child abuse increases with 2 male gay parents, it is less likely the adoptive parents but the number of other partners who will gain access to the children to a certain degree. Say 40 partners by 15 years, 600 people and everyone has behaved to some extent outside the norm, some will have behaved way outside the norm.

Grotesque Unbelievable Bizarre Unprecedented comes to hand. I am curious as to what kind of a mind envisages such an eventuality ? This obsession with the sexuality of gay men is just creepy and displays an astonishing ignorance.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 10:07PM

aFunnyWorld wrote: »

Didn't you know, lesbians and bi women don't exist /sarcasm

I was married to a Lesbian woman once (for Visa purposes). Even more misunderstood by society than gay men imo.

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