Jamelia: 'High street shops shouldn't sell plus size clothing'

ceadaoin. · 22-04-2015 05:10PM

bjork wrote: »

I posted this in the Trivial Annoyances thread the other day.

In the fashion Industry a US Size 8 / UK size 10 is where plus sizes start :eek:

(according to cosmoO

Small point but a US 8 is a UK 12, not 10. Also, in my experience, US sizing runs bigger than European.

I don't agree with what Jamelia said, but she also said that sizes below a UK 6 shouldn't be available either. No one seems bothered about that but is this not also an example of 'skinny shaming'? Some people who are underweight might be just as mentally fragile as someone who is overweight.

ceadaoin. · 22-04-2015 05:15PM

Sleepy wrote: »

What's always amazed me is that different sizes in clothing cost the same. The same bolt of material can probably make 9/10 size 8's or 5/6 size 18's so you'd expect to pay less for the size 8 since it has less input costs.

Why should some guy who can fit into a 28" pair of jeans pay as much for them as I pay for the same jeans in a 34" when there's roughly a 16% difference in the size of the things we're buying?

There was outrage last year when it was revealed that american brand Old Navy charges more for its plus size jeans. There was a petition for the prices to be lowered but I don't know if it's been changed since.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/gap-s-old-navy-range-blasted-for-higher-cost-of-its-plus-size-jeans-1.2000894

bjork · 22-04-2015 05:32PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Small point but a US 8 is a UK 12, not 10. Also, in my experience, US sizing runs bigger than European.

I don't agree with what Jamelia said, but she also said that sizes below a UK 6 shouldn't be available either. No one seems bothered about that but is this not also an example of 'skinny shaming'? Some people who are underweight might be just as mentally fragile as someone who is overweight.

Not according to google?

U.S. U.S. (named sizes) U.K.
8 Medium 10

http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_womens.htm

US/Canada US (Letter) UK Europe Italy
2 X-Small 4 32 36 6 5
4 Small 6 34 38 8 7
6 Small 8 36 40 10 9
8 Medium 10 38 42 12 11
10 Medium 12 40 44 14 13

http://www.asknumbers.com/ClothingWomensConversion.aspx

NachoBusiness · 22-04-2015 05:33PM

kylith wrote: »

I was with you right up to that last sentence

Twas said in jest.

Cienciano · 22-04-2015 05:36PM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

What the **** is a Jamelia and why is it's opinions been considered ?

Exactly. Who gives a fúck what Jamelia thinks? What does Ja Rule think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-ddYhXAZc

ceadaoin. · 22-04-2015 05:47PM

bjork wrote: »

Not according to google?

U.S. U.S. (named sizes) U.K.
8 Medium 10

http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_womens.htm

US/Canada US (Letter) UK Europe Italy
2 X-Small 4 32 36 6 5
4 Small 6 34 38 8 7
6 Small 8 36 40 10 9
8 Medium 10 38 42 12 11
10 Medium 12 40 44 14 13

http://www.asknumbers.com/ClothingWomensConversion.aspx

A US6 is definitely a UK10.

https://us.topshop.com/cms/pages/static/static-0000009312/static-0000009312.html

http://us.asos.com/Womens-Dresses-size-guide-ASOS/y8spp/?szgid=1

http://www.sizeguide.net/womens-clothing-sizes-international-conversion-chart.html

Any size 10 clothes I have that also have US sizing on the label all say US6. Although the ones bought from US stores are slightly bigger in my experience.

Baron Kurtz · 22-04-2015 05:51PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-hqsIyhGVg

Tarzana2 · 22-04-2015 05:52PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Small point but a US 8 is a UK 12, not 10. Also, in my experience, US sizing runs bigger than European.

I don't agree with what Jamelia said, but she also said that sizes below a UK 6 shouldn't be available either. No one seems bothered about that but is this not also an example of 'skinny shaming'? Some people who are underweight might be just as mentally fragile as someone who is overweight.

I guess it's excluding less people since really only a tiny percentage of women would take a size 4 or smaller. It also just seems to be a token mention in her comments, which seems to be aimed more at the larger sizes.

Tarzana2 · 22-04-2015 05:54PM

bjork wrote: »

Not according to google?

U.S. U.S. (named sizes) U.K.
8 Medium 10

http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_womens.htm

US/Canada US (Letter) UK Europe Italy
2 X-Small 4 32 36 6 5
4 Small 6 34 38 8 7
6 Small 8 36 40 10 9
8 Medium 10 38 42 12 11
10 Medium 12 40 44 14 13

http://www.asknumbers.com/ClothingWomensConversion.aspx

It seems to vary. ASOS, a pretty big clothing site, has a US 8 as a UK 12.

MRnotlob606 · 22-04-2015 06:22PM

Magenta wrote: »

First day on the Internet guys? There's a website called Google that is really good.

haha. I can hear the sound of a single hand clapping.

lertsnim · 22-04-2015 06:25PM

Jamelia went out to look for attention and Jamelia got it. Good girl Jamelia

efb · 22-04-2015 06:27PM

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-hqsIyhGVg

I didn't think the clip of me in my gym days had leaked

But I spent all my money on coke and hookers

kylith · 22-04-2015 06:38PM

Tayla wrote: »

I bought a pair of jeans recently in Next in a size 6 and the cost is the same for a size 6 and a size 26. It seems unfair to me.

In general for everything else when you want bigger then you pay extra.

Take the median size as the price point, perhaps. If you take the cost of a size 12 as the cost of the jeans then what they lose on larger sizes they'll make up on smaller ones.

dark crystal · 22-04-2015 06:39PM

Tayla wrote: »

I bought a pair of jeans recently in Next in a size 6 and the cost is the same for a size 6 and a size 26. It seems unfair to me.

In general for everything else when you want bigger then you pay extra.

I don't think it's unfair at all. Sure, you could make the same argument for shoes (which would be a good thing for me, as I have tiny feet!).

DoYouEvenLift · 22-04-2015 06:46PM

People are only supposed to share positive opinions these days it seems lol

Plazaman wrote: »

So if the plus size ladies can't buy clothes in their sizes, what are they supposed to wear Jamelia? It'll be track suits all round for every occasion which is far worse than overweight people in decent looking clothes.

Tracksuits should come in handy anyway during cardio to lose weight.

kfallon · 22-04-2015 06:55PM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

People are only supposed to share positive opinions these days it seems lol

People should probably keep their opinions to themselves tbh, especially in this case, nobody is physically perfect

charlietheminxx · 22-04-2015 07:45PM

I think clothes prices are the same regardless of size since the cost of the fabric involved rarely reflects the end price anyway.

Either way, I am someone who is a size 14 and happy. At my largest I was a size 22, miserable and all clothes looked ****ty on me anyway, tbh not being able to buy clothes would have been the least of my worries at the time as I had other stuff going on.

I live a healthy lifestyle for the most part, do a good lot of walking and eat fresh cooked meals most days, snack on loads of fruit and whatever. At my most zealous I was a size 12 and with a bit of work I want to be there again, but I've accepted I'll never be slim and I am ok with that. To all the skinny women and all the bigger women, feck what some zelebrity thinks, if you're happy and you're healthy then try to ignore what the media is saying any given week. Being told I am fat isn't going to make me thinner, a size 6 girl being called a twig isn't going to make her curvier, so let's all stop obsessing over other peoples weight yeah?

If someone is obese to the point where their health is negatively impacted, then the only person who can change it is them. Maybe governments and health agencies should be focusing on information about healthy eating, cooking and accessible public funded leisure centres instead of weight-centric campaigns that clearly don't work?

22-04-2015 07:52PM

Sports direct does charge more for bigger sizes

tomwaterford · 22-04-2015 07:56PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Sports direct does charge more for bigger sizes

I haven't read any of this....but would this not be obvious as well bigger sizes take more fabric etc to make??

22-04-2015 08:23PM

When will it be okay to harass people for drinking to excess or for smoking? We as a society are being neglectful of these folks health by allowing them to live in peace. It's like, SOOOO bad for their health that we should be doing them that favour. Ostracising them even, for their own sake, because anything else is pretending it's okay. And that's not ok!

I feel it's important we should tell smokers that they smell and sound hoarse and binge drinkers that they stink and act stupid and cost the economy - again only out of concern for their health, not because it's bullying or none of anyones business or anything negative, purely for altruistic reasons.

Perhaps people who drink more than the recommended units per week could be prevented from entering bars, let them drink at home out of sight if they have to. And smokers should be kept off the streets and confined to smoking in their backyards where no one has to see or smell them. That would encourage them gently to rethink their behaviours, for the betterment of all society.

I'm sick of all this drink and smoke acceptance, it's time we took a stand for the sake of their health, of course. It's the caring thing to do.

22-04-2015 08:44PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I haven't read any of this....but would this not be obvious as well bigger sizes take more fabric etc to make??

They had a rant earlier in the thread. about how they don't charge more for bigger sizes in shops. I should have quoted I suppose. Anyway I just wanted to chime in and say SD do
Not xs? PAY MOAR

PressRun · 22-04-2015 08:48PM

Regarding the 'fat shaming' stuff, when has humiliating people with these kinds of issues ever worked? People who are overweight due to lifestyle tend to be emotional eaters. Making them feel even more awful than they already do because they're overweight is more than likely just going to make them want to eat more. Furthermore, overweight people do actually tend to realize they're overweight. Coming out and shaming them further isn't going to suddenly flick a lightbulb on in their minds. They knew they were overweight long before the holier than thou crowd came along with the 'good news'. As with most issues, proper education about diet and how to manage personal difficulties without going straight for the ice cream would probably go a long way to helping some of those with eating problems.

nokia69 · 22-04-2015 08:56PM

how often does this so called 'fat shaming' happen

I can see very little sign of it myself

tomwaterford · 22-04-2015 08:59PM

nokia69 wrote: »

how often does this so called 'fat shaming' happen

I can see very little sign of it myself

I'd say in school as teenagers mostly as no real sane adult with a bit of cop on would do it??

Like I'm not even that clueless socially

end of the road · 22-04-2015 09:06PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Your one, Jamelia, on Loose Women, has sparked some outrage by suggesting that high street shops shouldn't stock plus size clothing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/plus-size-clothes-should-not-5559151

I know little about her, hardly ever watch Loose Women, but found the suggestion seeming to lack any real insight, and I'd certainly have taken it more seriously coming from a bigger girl, who has a bit of a more first-hand clue.

Certainly comes across as quite the judgemental idiot.

I'm not sure what the means by plus size as such, given that some parts of fashion / modelling regard really low sizes (e.g. 14 upwards).

It's hard enough to find clothes in many high street stores. Primark as one example, it often feels like all they have in stock is 6 / 8 / 20... not literally, but basically that they maybe order the same amount of everything, then all the more common sizes are gone quicker, leaving the ones that less people need.

There's the other issues obviously that what is a 10 in one shop could be a 12 or 14 in another, since they all seem to make clothes differently.

I'm a 16 to 18, and have no problems saying that. I try to slim all the time, but have a problem with food, that is not that easy to combat, and I don't think just making everyone who's bigger feel more uncomfortable is the solution. Chances are many who are bigger already feel bad enough about it, are more likely to have self-esteem issues, so yep let's go with the tactic of fat-shaming them and making them feel worse, cos that'll help.

And nope I don't really see how high-street stores selling clothes that fit women is promoting a healthy lifestyle.

just some has been spouting. all these certain types of shaming, slut shaming fat shaming skinny shaming and so on, are just for the low rent anyway

Tarzana2 · 22-04-2015 09:10PM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

People are only supposed to share positive opinions these days it seems lol

I think people don't mind negative opinions as long as they are considered and intelligent.

Tarzana2 · 22-04-2015 09:13PM

Candie wrote: »

When will it be okay to harass people for drinking to excess or for smoking? We as a society are being neglectful of these folks health by allowing them to live in peace. It's like, SOOOO bad for their health that we should be doing them that favour. Ostracising them even, for their own sake, because anything else is pretending it's okay. And that's not ok!

Lollers! :pac:

People have argued on here before that smokers ARE ostracised (the smoking ban etc.), but I don't agree with that. Smoking is harmful to people other than the person smoking, unlike people being overweight (the exception being when an overweight person spills into the seat next to them on public transport and that's more an annoyance rather than being harmful), so creating an environment where non-smokers are free from that harm is not ostracising smokers, IMO.

Jon Stark · 22-04-2015 09:20PM

Candie wrote: »

When will it be okay to harass people for drinking to excess or for smoking? We as a society are being neglectful of these folks health by allowing them to live in peace. It's like, SOOOO bad for their health that we should be doing them that favour. Ostracising them even, for their own sake, because anything else is pretending it's okay. And that's not ok!

I feel it's important we should tell smokers that they smell and sound hoarse and binge drinkers that they stink and act stupid and cost the economy - again only out of concern for their health, not because it's bullying or none of anyones business or anything negative, purely for altruistic reasons.

Perhaps people who drink more than the recommended units per week could be prevented from entering bars, let them drink at home out of sight if they have to. And smokers should be kept off the streets and confined to smoking in their backyards where no one has to see or smell them. That would encourage them gently to rethink their behaviours, for the betterment of all society.

I'm sick of all this drink and smoke acceptance, it's time we took a stand for the sake of their health, of course. It's the caring thing to do.

No one wants to be around someone with a drink problem. Alcoholics and "problem Drinkers" are very much isolated and rejected in society.

I agree with what you're saying, I'm just pointing out alcoholics don't have it easy. In fact I'd say they have it worse than overweight people as society tends to rally behind the latter when they're abused, whereas it's cool to universally condemn an alco.

Which I suppose is understandable given the alcoholic will hurt a lot more people with their behaviour than an overweight person ever will.

I'm gonna stop now because I'm rambling at this stage.

Tarzana2 · 22-04-2015 09:31PM

PressRun wrote: »

People who are overweight due to lifestyle tend to be emotional eaters.

That's it exactly. How does letting one's mouth fart "Eat less, move more" at overweight/obese people help them exactly? It's so simplistic. And yeah, as someone who is currently overweight, I'm not in denial about it, believe me, I know.

TheBeardedLady · 22-04-2015 09:33PM

Jon Stark wrote: »

No one wants to be around someone with a drink problem. Alcoholics and "problem Drinkers" are very much isolated and rejected in society.

I agree with what you're saying, I'm just pointing out alcoholics don't have it easy. In fact I'd say they have it worse than overweight people as society tends to rally behind the latter when they're abused, whereas it's cool to universally condemn an alco.

Which I suppose is understandable given the alcoholic will hurt a lot more people with their behaviour than an overweight person ever will.

I'm gonna stop now because I'm rambling at this stage.

I'd say Ireland has a drinking problem that's generally accepted i.e. people don't have a tendency to drink in moderation but that doesn't mean everyone is an alcoholic. Here in Madrid, drinking to excess to the point of puking or even stumbling is NOT accepted at all. Ireland's excessive drinking is generally socially acceptable - I certainly feel more comfortable being very drunk than I do here.

Jamelia: 'High street shops shouldn't sell plus size clothing'

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