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    #1592
    JCX BXC
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    Jhcx wrote: »
    So does that mean Transaero is no longer in business in Ireland?

    I'm curious, where in the article was it suggesting this?


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    #1593
    Jhcx
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    I'm curious, where in the article was it suggesting this?

    Thats What im asking. with the name change to Atlantic Aviation. From reading it it appears its a new company set up to get them out. which would imply that Transaero's Shannon base was sold


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    #1594
    Brennans Row
    Registered Users Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Jhcx wrote: »
    So does that mean Transaero is no longer in business in Ireland?

    I would imagine that Transaero would remain a very welcomed customer.

    However as a Russian company, their ability to pay is in the hands of Putin.

    See previous post: Transaero Engineering Ireland - Company History

    Picture Clare Herald

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    #1595
    Brennans Row
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    Atlantic Aviation to hire apprentices (Clare Champion)

    Following its acquisition, Atlantic Aviation Group’s new owner, Patrick Jordan announced that he intends to continue to operate the company as a leading independent maintenance, repair and overhaul specialist and to grow the workforce in 2015 by hiring new apprentices.

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    The name of the new company is confusing :confused: as they are two other companies with similar names.

    Atlantic Aviation Group (Shannon)
    Atlantic Aviation Group (Miami)
    Atlantic Aviation (USA)


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    #1596
    stevielenihan
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Explain to me where the passengers will come from? With the new M7 to Dublin, no Transatlantic stops and far less U.S military, there's very little else to get the passengers from. The airport itself said they never expect to reach 3.7mil.

    According to this article from [URL="http://www.clarepeople.com/2014/12/04/oleary-no-fool-as-ryanair-announces-more-routes-from-shannon/] the Clare Herald,[/URL]

    Routes will be launched in 2015, in September namely. If they are announced in September, they won't launch until 2016, Ryanair doesnt launch routes with such short notice. Where did you get that new information from? Have you been talking to your "friend" Michael O'Leary?

    Shannon will hit 1.8million or slightly below this year, so 2 million may be possible in 2016 or 2017 providing things go well.




    Firstly Shannon will most definitely reach 2 Million in 2016 . Ryanair remain commited to Shannon. How do you think Shannon will get the new passenger growth but from increased services and new services of course everybody knows that and Yes I am friends with Michael O Leary. I have worked at SNN.


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    #1597
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Firstly Shannon will most definitely reach 2 Million in 2016 . Ryanair remain commited to Shannon. How do you think Shannon will get the new passenger growth but from increased services and new services of course everybody knows that and Yes I am friends with Michael O Leary. I have worked at SNN.

    Shannon could suffer another major loss and not reach 2 million, nothings definite.
    Yes, but where can the services come from that would double passenger numbers. We all know there is large gaps but not so much as to reach higher than ever before figures. Remember there is a recession and a fine road to Dublin ATM.

    I very much doubt you are friends with Michael O'Leary, it seems like a little white lie to convince me of what your saying, but on the off chance that you are, put in a good word for the airport.


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    Brennans Row
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    Helicopter lessor Waypoint passes 100 mark (Irish Times)

    Limerick firm has 13 clients operating in 22 countries

    Irish-based helicopter leasing specialist, Waypoint, said on Monday that it has bought more than 100 craft and placed them with clients, less than two years since it was launched.

    It also has firm and option orders with aircraft manufacturers for more than 95 helicopters valued at more than $1.4 billion, to be delivered over the next five years.

    Waypoint is based in Limerick and Connecticut in the north eastern US. Its backers include members of the Soros family.

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    Senior Lecturer and Course Director in Aircraft Maintenance & Airworthiness Engineering at the Department of Mechanical, Aeronautical and Biomedical Engineering Dr Kyriakos I. Kourousis has been conferred the NATO Science & Technology Organisation “2014 Scientific Achievement Award” for his contribution to the project “Qualification and Structural Design Guidelines for Military UAVs”.

    Dr Kourousis and the other team members of the technical group provided an outstanding contribution to the mission of the Science & Technology Organisation, conducting extensive co-operative research in the field of Military UAVs.

    The results generated by this research group were directly and immediately exploited within NATO and NATO nations, i.e. qualification of prototype UAV for flight testing by the French Ministry of Defence, adoption by the US Air Force Structural Integrity Program Manager.


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    #1599
    stevielenihan
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Shannon could suffer another major loss and not reach 2 million, nothings definite.
    Yes, but where can the services come from that would double passenger numbers. We all know there is large gaps but not so much as to reach higher than ever before figures. Remember there is a recession and a fine road to Dublin ATM.

    I very much doubt you are friends with Michael O'Leary, it seems like a little white lie to convince me of what your saying, but on the off chance that you are, put in a good word for the airport.





    Dont you accuse me of lying. You have nothing to do with Shannon Airport. I have worked there and I am sure nobody else here has.


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    Jamie2k9
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Dont you accuse me of lying. You have nothing to do with Shannon Airport. I have worked there and I am sure nobody else here has.

    That would require Ryanair to add over 1,000 flights during 2016....and to operate at 100% capacity!


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    #1601
    stevielenihan
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    That would require Ryanair to add over 1,000 flights during 2016....and to operate at 100% capacity!


    Lads ye have me taking up wrong. Ye think I say that Shannon will gain that many back soon of course the airport wont. I was referring to some years from now. I am friends with Michael O Leary and I will put in a good word. I have worked in Shannon. Regardless of weather it happens I am just trying to remain positive here. There is nothing wrong with been positive.


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    #1602
    Lady Chatterton
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    Mod Note

    Great discussion/debate happens on this thread but please, keep it civil. Attack the post not the poster.


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    #1603
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    No point arguing, we will just have to see what the figures turn out to be in the end. None of this hot air will make a difference to that.
    The main thing is that Shannon is doing better than it has in a long time, you definitely couldn't hold a picnic on the runway any more.


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    #1604
    stevielenihan
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    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    No point arguing, we will just have to see what the figures turn out to be in the end. None of this hot air will make a difference to that.
    The main thing is that Shannon is doing better than it has in a long time, you definitely couldn't hold a picnic on the runway any more.




    I am not arguing. I have worked there so I know what going down there regarding grow. The support group aims to get Shannon back to its former glory and figures. Ryanair have to stay committed this time. They ruined Shannon the first time. Ryanair need to recommence most of those routes axed previously. I am staying positive lads ye should do the same.


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    Cookiemunster
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    I am not arguing. I have worked there so I know what going down there regarding grow. The support group aims to get Shannon back to its former glory and figures. Ryanair have to stay committed this time. They ruined Shannon the first time. Ryanair need to recommence most of those routes axed previously. I am staying positive lads ye should do the same.

    Ryanair have stayed committed so far. The biggest possible mistake that SNN could make is to become as reliant on Ryanair as they were previously.


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    #1606
    stevielenihan
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Ryanair have stayed committed so far. The biggest possible mistake that SNN could make is to become as reliant on Ryanair as they were previously.


    Shannon won,t become as reliant on Ryanair like last time. Ryanair will annouce new Shannon routes in Sept.


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    #1607
    Cookiemunster
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Ryanair need to recommence most of those routes axed previously.
    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Shannon won,t become as reliant on Ryanair like last time. Ryanair will annouce new Shannon routes in Sept.

    So if they need Ryanair to recommence all the old routes, how would they not be as reliant on them?


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    #1608
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Ryanair have stayed committed so far. The biggest possible mistake that SNN could make is to become as reliant on Ryanair as they were previously.

    The problem was that they then tried Plan B, which resulted in nothing much at all, since no one was interested. Shannon has cargo, transatlantic, a few flights to Dublin and the UK and some charter flights to Spain, but for the real bulk business there is no substitute for Ryanair. They tried for years to fill the void, it came to nought.
    Part of that was of course Shannon being deliberately run into the ground by the DAA, who by some stroke of utter insanity where running the airport.
    Shannon is reliant on Ryanair, there is no denying it and no getting round it.
    We are nearly in the same situation as Frankfurt Hahn, Memmingen and lots of other Ryanair hubs, albeit that Shannon has managed to attract business outside of Mr O'Leary. But in the end that's what it boild down to. Aer Lingus want to cut back as much as they can in Shannon, they are even less reliable than Ryanair. other than that, Shannon has tried to get in bed with other airlines, but there hasn't been a lot of action in that direction.


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    #1609
    stevielenihan
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    So if they need Ryanair to recommence all the old routes, how would they not be as reliant on them?



    I didnt say Shannon wants Ryanair to recommence their old routes, I just said Shannon would like if they did so. Ryanair pulling from Shannon was defelity the biggest mistake Ryanair had ever made despite it been the DAA fault over their high prices at that time. Ryanair are great to have came back to Shannon but they better stay here this time. Shannon needs more and more growth and don,t need anymore big decline never again.


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    #1610
    stevielenihan
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    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    The problem was that they then tried Plan B, which resulted in nothing much at all, since no one was interested. Shannon has cargo, transatlantic, a few flights to Dublin and the UK and some charter flights to Spain, but for the real bulk business there is no substitute for Ryanair. They tried for years to fill the void, it came to nought.
    Part of that was of course Shannon being deliberately run into the ground by the DAA, who by some stroke of utter insanity where running the airport.
    Shannon is reliant on Ryanair, there is no denying it and no getting round it.
    We are nearly in the same situation as Frankfurt Hahn, Memmingen and lots of other Ryanair hubs, albeit that Shannon has managed to attract business outside of Mr O'Leary. But in the end that's what it boild down to. Aer Lingus want to cut back as much as they can in Shannon, they are even less reliable than Ryanair. other than that, Shannon has tried to get in bed with other airlines, but there hasn't been a lot of action in that direction.









    Aer Lingus were also wrong to have cut back at Shannon when they did. We need airlines that are willing to keep up[ thier promice to add new or expand exsisting routes.


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    #1611
    Cookiemunster
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    I didnt say Shannon wants Ryanair to recommence their old routes, I just said Shannon would like if they did so.

    You do realise that wants and would like are basically the same thing don't you?
    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Ryanair pulling from Shannon was defelity the biggest mistake Ryanair had ever made despite it been the DAA fault over their high prices at that time. Ryanair are great to have came back to Shannon but they better stay here this time. Shannon needs more and more growth and don,t need anymore big decline never again.

    Trust me, Ryanair pulling routes from SNN was nowhere near the biggest mistake they have ever made. They had 6 of their 300 planes based there and once the landing deal expired the found more profitable routes for their aircraft. They didn't have any drop in passenger numbers or money and MOL didn't lose a wink of sleep over it.
    I hope they do expand their routes, I'd love one to the NRW area of Germany for example. I just don't want to see SNN getting back into to a position that it places it's future at the whims of Ryanair again. Nothing SNN does will guarantee that Ryanair won't decide in the future that some other airport can offer them a better deal.


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    #1612
    Brennans Row
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    UK Airport Provisional Statistics for March.

    The overall total UK figures are up +15.7% as against the same month from last year.

    Stansted has replaced Heathrow as the number 1 UK Airport.

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    #1613
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    Ryanair in fact had 4, not 6 aircraft at Shannon.
    Edit: In fact I was wrong, they did have 6, apologises

    Stevie, I had very good reasons for suspecting that you are telling white lies, you comments are very unrealistic and you seem definite of the positive. The reason I had have only gotton stronger. You don't know Michael O'Leary, and on the tiny chance that you have he won't tell you what routes he will operate and if he will, I'm not even sure Michael O'Leary makes these decisions anymore.

    You realise that there is a very very small slim chance of Shannon reaching 3.7 million again, right? It won't happen in the next 10 years unless there is a very drastic change.

    The reasons for this are as follows.

    *The new M7 to Dublin has been built, giving access to Dublin within 2-3 hours of Shannon. Dublin offers a wide range of routes and airlines.

    *No Transatlantic stopovers, therefore less passengers. This gap would need to be filled to reach 3.7 million, but by what routes?

    *Ryanair were paid for the 2 million passengers it gave to Shannon in 2006/2007. Now they have less than half that amount and Shannon have no intent on paying them much, and if they do it'll run every other possible airline out of Shannon.

    *US military traffic has fell dramatically, therefore reducing passenger numbers.

    *No airlines to make up the gap. If any airline was to Jump in they wouldn't offer much.

    For someone who supposedly worked in Shannon, you know very very little of this. Of course its good to be positive, but positivity must come with a side dish of being realistic.

    The airport itself said it won't reach the figures of 2006/2007 ever again.

    Of course, Shannon have alot to aim for:

    A route to a hub, Istanbul would make alot of sense, that's something to look out for. Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris and Madrid would be great hubs to get a dedicated service to (Ryanair not suitable - No connectons) but sadly that looks unlikely.

    The UK is a very unserved market from Shannon, growth will happen there.

    Shannon could do with a route to Italy, Lisbon, Madrid, (other hubs mentioned above), Morocco, Greece, Copenhagen, the Nordic countries etc, they mightn't all work but they sure are possibilities.

    I also believe there's more growth to come on the U.S front.


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    #1614
    JCX BXC
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    Brennans Row wrote: »
    UK Airport Provisional Statistics for March.

    The overall total UK figures are up +15.7% as against the same month from last year.

    Stansted has replaced Heathrow as the number 1 UK Airport.

    346107.png
    Interesting.

    Heathrow has grown though which is good, could this only be due to Easter Holidays?


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    dr.fuzzenstein
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    I didnt say Shannon wants Ryanair to recommence their old routes, I just said Shannon would like if they did so. Ryanair pulling from Shannon was defelity the biggest mistake Ryanair had ever made despite it been the DAA fault over their high prices at that time. Ryanair are great to have came back to Shannon but they better stay here this time. Shannon needs more and more growth and don,t need anymore big decline never again.

    That's exactly why they did it, they forced the price down by sheer bully-boy tactics and strong-arming the DAA and Irish government. Thank God they succeeded. I'm even surprised. Usually the Irish government would rather lose a great deal of money than to be seen to give into Ryanair, because they have consistently showed up the DAA and Irish government for the bumbling fools they are. Which is why the DAA is not on the best terms with them.


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    #1616
    stevielenihan
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    You do realise that wants and would like are basically the same thing don't you?



    Trust me, Ryanair pulling routes from SNN was nowhere near the biggest mistake they have ever made. They had 6 of their 300 planes based there and once the landing deal expired the found more profitable routes for their aircraft. They didn't have any drop in passenger numbers or money and MOL didn't lose a wink of sleep over it.
    I hope they do expand their routes, I'd love one to the NRW area of Germany for example. I just don't want to see SNN getting back into to a position that it places it's future at the whims of Ryanair again. Nothing SNN does will guarantee that Ryanair won't decide in the future that some other airport can offer them a better deal.






    Still Ryanair had to come back to Shannon after pulling out. Ryanair need Shannon as a base as well.


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    #1617
    JCX BXC
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Still Ryanair had to come back to Shannon after pulling out. Ryanair need Shannon as a base as well.

    No they don't, but they also don't want Aer Lingus or Easy Jet having a large one there either. So they make sure there is no/little competition.

    Ryanair plays all the airports on the west coast of Ireland and they would say bye bye to Shannon in an instant if Knock or cork offered them a far better deal.


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    #1618
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Ryanair in fact had 4, not 6 aircraft at Shannon.
    Edit: In fact I was wrong, they did have 6, apologises

    Stevie, I had very good reasons for suspecting that you are telling white lies, you comments are very unrealistic and you seem definite of the positive. The reason I had have only gotton stronger. You don't know Michael O'Leary, and on the tiny chance that you have he won't tell you what routes he will operate and if he will, I'm not even sure Michael O'Leary makes these decisions anymore.

    You realise that there is a very very small slim chance of Shannon reaching 3.7 million again, right? It won't happen in the next 10 years unless there is a very drastic change.

    The reasons for this are as follows.

    *The new M7 to Dublin has been built, giving access to Dublin within 2-3 hours of Shannon. Dublin offers a wide range of routes and airlines.

    *No Transatlantic stopovers, therefore less passengers. This gap would need to be filled to reach 3.7 million, but by what routes?

    *Ryanair were paid for the 2 million passengers it gave to Shannon in 2006/2007. Now they have less than half that amount and Shannon have no intent on paying them much, and if they do it'll run every other possible airline out of Shannon.

    *US military traffic has fell dramatically, therefore reducing passenger numbers.

    *No airlines to make up the gap. If any airline was to Jump in they wouldn't offer much.

    For someone who supposedly worked in Shannon, you know very very little of this. Of course its good to be positive, but positivity must come with a side dish of being realistic.

    The airport itself said it won't reach the figures of 2006/2007 ever again.

    Of course, Shannon have alot to aim for:

    A route to a hub, Istanbul would make alot of sense, that's something to look out for. Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris and Madrid would be great hubs to get a dedicated service to (Ryanair not suitable - No connectons) but sadly that looks unlikely.

    The UK is a very unserved market from Shannon, growth will happen there.

    Shannon could do with a route to Italy, Lisbon, Madrid, (other hubs mentioned above), Morocco, Greece, Copenhagen, the Nordic countries etc, they mightn't all work but they sure are possibilities.

    I also believe there's more growth to come on the U.S front.







    I was not lying. If you act better I will bring the route wishes you had there to the Shannon Airport management. Plus you have no proof weater I know MOL or not. I am not lying. You never worked at Shannon did you?


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    JCX BXC
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    I was not lying. If you act better I will bring the route wishes you had there to the Shannon Airport management. Plus you have no proof weater I know MOL or not. I am not lying. You never worked at Shannon did you?

    You have no proof of working there or knowing MOL. Chances are you don't. You seem to be rather unrealistic about these matters and also seem quite new to the things we are telling you.

    Also, If I act better? Im holding a steady informative discussion.


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    #1620
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    No they don't, but they also don't want Aer Lingus or Easy Jet having a large one there either. So they make sure there is no/little competition.

    Ryanair plays all the airports on the west coast of Ireland and they would say bye bye to Shannon in an instant if Knock or cork offered them a far better deal.


    Ryanair should not be allowed do that. I think Knock should be closed or converted to an airfield for training. Shannon is the main airport for the West. Don't really need 2 of them. Knock will never reach Shannon numbers. Ryanair should not worry about prices as they are pure rich it should not bother them.


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    #1621
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    You have no proof of working there or knowing MOL. Chances are you don't. You seem to be rather unrealistic about these matters and also seem quite new to the things we are telling you.

    Also, If I act better? Im holding a steady informative discussion.




    I did work there. You dont know me. You have no proof about me. This is not a topic for this thread. Move back to Shannon Topic.
    I am entitled to my opinions about the airport as are you but like the Mod said we shall keep this civil. Respect each other opinions. I will respect yours if you respect mine. I am entailed to post here too.


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