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Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

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  • #182
    ThisRegard
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    I'm staggered at the amount of people on this thread claiming to have no idea of this case and have heard nothing about it.


  • #183
    Riverireland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭Riverireland


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer.

    Any mods around, this is quite sick :(


  • #184
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer.

    There is so much wrong with that it's hard to know where to start. Both of the things you are pointing out were abundantly clear and neither of them make taking her life anything other than pre-meditated murder. The subtle victim blaming is just the cherry on the top.


  • #185
    tayto lover
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer.

    The girl was mentally ill and Dwyer preyed on that.
    Your comments are a bit unfair to her tbh.


  • #186
    lazygal
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer.

    Do you have no compassion or empathy at all? She was a woman who suffered with mental illnesses, requiring hospital treatment, and the sort of vulnerable person the man who.murdered her sought out. There's a relative of mine I'd consider not able to consent to sexual activity of any kind as their mental abilities aren't able to process the effects of it, even though legally they're an adult and you wouldn't know they're suffering from mental health problems.


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  • #187
    MadDog76
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    the_monkey wrote: »
    life in this case means what 20 years ?

    or is it life without parole ?
    yermandan wrote: »
    Does life mean 10 years here or natural life?

    A life sentence in Ireland is an average of approximately 12 years but that's just an average ......... there are prisoners serving life sentences in Ireland who have been in custody for over 30 years.


  • #188
    Shanotheslayer
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    Laois_Man wrote: »
    RTE O'Clock news today said the average life sentence now is really 19.5 years. So different numbers are reported everywhere.

    If he does get out in 19.5 years is it even going to be newsworthy then? In the year 2032, are many going to remember/care? Will it even make the headlines?

    Just breaking in the news today, there's talk of the guy who shot Ronald Reagan being set free now. Just shows how human outrage eases over time.

    The Counter to that would be Jamie Bulger case, still a lot of outrage over that mate.


  • #189
    sadie06
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    I'm disappointed in media coverage again today. Why must images of Elaine's father and sister arriving and leaving the court be splashed all over the place?How could anyone stick a camera in their faces today?

    Printing photos of her family alongside articles praising their victim impact statement for its empathy and dignity is hugely distasteful in my opinion. Why do we need to see their faces?

    The thoughts of an appeal being entered turns my stomach, and calls to mind that other smug git O'Reilly. True psychopaths both of them. No remorse, and endless belief in their own infallibility.


  • #190
    bjork
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    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    The Counter to that would be Jamie Bulger case, still a lot of outrage over that mate.

    It didn't stop them getting out


  • #191
    MadDog76
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    nullzero wrote: »
    He should and most likely will spend his remaining years behind bars. The likelihood of him being released at any point is very slim considering his apparent psychological make up being that of a psychopath, which means rehabilitation to reintegrate into society is not something that can be realistically believed to be possible. I'm sure he will continuously profess his innocence due to his being a narcissistic psychopath but it would be unconscionable for anyone to make a decision to release such an individual back into society.

    Such individuals have been released in the past .........


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  • #192
    Shanotheslayer
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    bjork wrote: »
    It didn't stop them getting out

    That wasn't my point, my point was in regards to the human outrage


  • #193
    tayto lover
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    The story is on TV 3 now starting at 10 p.m.


  • #194
    stickybookmark
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    sadie06 wrote: »

    The thoughts of an appeal being entered turns my stomach, and calls to mind that other smug git O'Reilly. True psychopaths both of them. No remorse, and endless belief in their own infallibility.

    Except at least unlike O'Reilly- I assume- Dwyer won't have his girlfriend bringing his kids to visit him in prison! From what I've read Dwyer's wife has had nothing to do with him since he was arrested.


  • #195
    MadDog76
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    RGDATA! wrote: »
    Actually, you're right to point out that a few people serving long life terms are skewing those figures, so I stand corrected.
    It seems the average length of a life sentences for those who have been released is more like the 12 years you said he'll probably do.
    I still think there's every reason to expect he'll do longer than average given the notoriety of the case, lack of remorse etc.

    Notoriety and lack of remorse didn't stop the authorities releasing Larry Murphy earlier than the general public believed he should have been ............


  • #196
    Roquentin
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Notoriety and lack of remorse didn't stop Larry Murphy being released earlier than the general public believed he should have been ............

    correct me if im wrong but he was convicted of rape. suspected multiple killer but not proven in a court of law


  • #197
    Thatllteachya
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer.

    Going by what is being said on TV3 this is true. So i'm not sure why people are up in arms about the poster here.

    She seemed to be very emotionally and mentally disturbed.
    There is definitely no excuse for killing someone.

    Poor woman. :(


  • #198
    sadie06
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    stickybookmark wrote: »
    Except at least unlike O'Reilly- I assume- Dwyer won't have his girlfriend bringing his kids to visit him in prison! From what I've read Dwyer's wife has had nothing to do with him since he was arrested.

    His smug attitude knew no end. A particularly sickening pursuit of his was his thwarting of plans to have Rachel's headstone erected bearing her maiden name instead of her married name until he had exhausted the appeal process. I believe her family eventually overcame this technicality, but it took years.

    Such callousness!


  • #199
    Dwarf.Shortage
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    Original post (not sure how to multi quote.): "Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer."
    Thatllteachya wrote: »
    Going by what is being said on TV3 this is true. So i'm not sure why people are up in arms about the poster here.

    She seemed to be very emotionally and mentally disturbed.
    There is definitely no excuse for killing someone.

    Poor woman. :(

    What is the point of the post, why would it be important that the media forget these things? does one of them or any combination of the two in any way justify what happened?

    On top of that is the fact that in no way did the media omit these facts, they were abundantly clear in the coverage. To me that post implies that the media should have reported these things even more explicitly which firstly would have been illegal as it would have been seen as prejudicing the trial and secondly the post is textbook victim blaming. It was not Elaine O'Hara's responsibility to make sure she wasn't murdered irrespective of her sexual tendencies.

    It's like people who come out after an assault or sex crime and say things like "they shouldn't have been walking home on their own." or "the way she was dressed was asking for it." It's often the manifestation of prejudices people don't even realise they have.


  • #200
    Aineoil
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    Elaine was a troubled girl and suffered from poor self esteem. She was preyed upon and I just think what do we need

    to do in society to stop the lack of self esteem Elaine suffered from?

    I have no answers myself.....

    BTW I feel so saddened for Elaine's family and O Dwyer's family - innocent victims.


  • #201
    Corvo
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    I'd love to read a psychology report on him. He is one sick individual


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  • #202
    Dwarf.Shortage
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    Corvo wrote: »
    I'd love to read a psychology report on him. He is one sick individual

    Would want to have the breakfast first.


  • #203
    Stheno
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    The effect on the journalists who are taking part in the documentary on tv3 is still evident


  • #204
    sligojoek
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/average-life-sentence-up-to-two-decades-from-7-years-in-1980s-1.2181655

    From the Irish Times.


  • #205
    Thatllteachya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭Thatllteachya


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    Original post (not sure how to multi quote.): "Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer."



    What is the point of the post, why would it be important that the media forget these things? does one of them or any combination of the two in any way justify what happened?

    On top of that is the fact that in no way did the media omit these facts, they were abundantly clear in the coverage. To me that post implies that the media should have reported these things even more explicitly which firstly would have been illegal as it would have been seen as prejudicing the trial and secondly the post is textbook victim blaming. It was not Elaine O'Hara's responsibility to make sure she wasn't murdered irrespective of her sexual tendencies.

    It's like people who come out after an assault or sex crime and say things like "they shouldn't have been walking home on their own." or "the way she was dressed was asking for it." It's often the manifestation of prejudices people don't even realise they have.

    In no way did I or the other poster say any of that. This woman did not deserve to be killed and the killer is getting the justice he deserves.


  • #206
    Dwarf.Shortage
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    Stheno wrote: »
    The effect on the journalists who are taking part in the documentary on tv3 is still evident

    Yeah even when the public galleries are cleared the journalists stay in there so they seen the videos and the whole lot, wouldn't wish that on anyone. I'm a very curious person but there is certain **** you just know you don't want to see.


  • #207
    eviltwin
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    Thatllteachya wrote: »
    In no way did I or the other poster say any of that. This woman did not deserve to be killed and the killer is getting the justice he deserves.

    So why mention it? It's not relevant that he was married or that she had extreme tastes.


  • #208
    Thatllteachya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭Thatllteachya


    eviltwin wrote: »
    So why mention it? It's not relevant that he was married or that she had extreme tastes.

    Of course its relevant. Its how the victim met the killer ffs.


  • #209
    eviltwin
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    Thatllteachya wrote: »
    Of course its relevant. Its how the victim met the killer ffs.

    They met online, his marital status doesn't come into it.


  • #210
    Mallagio
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    I think this highlights what's actually going on in the dark and murky world of certain corners of the internet.

    He had that girl scared out of her wits whilst controlling her completely :( Jesus it's beyond words this case.


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  • #211
    PressRun
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer.

    wtf??


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