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Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

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  • #122
    Mallagio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    fryup wrote: »
    a higher power?

    i'm usually skeptical about such things but it makes you wonder

    Who knows, but this guy thought he had it all wrapped up down to a Tee, and I'm glad that the truth somehow came out - even if the odds of it were 1,000,000/1.

    What an absolute despicable human being preying on a vulnerable girl like that.


  • #123
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭PressRun


    The chances of the jogger remembering that he met her in a place where the CCTV cameras just happened to not be working thus proving she was carrying out Dwyer's instructions is almost like something from a movie. An incredible detail.

    People complain about the Guards a lot, but their dedication to unearthing what happened here was fantastic.


  • #124
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    From a psychological viewpoint would it be fair to say that an individual who commits a crime like this one is unlikely to be satiated for life by a single occurrence?

    It's pretty chilling to think that if all of the coincidences that caught Dwyer out hadn't occurred there's every chance he'd still be lurking around BDSM sites looking for the next troubled submissive he could lure in and manipulate into satisfying his twisted urges.

    To be honest I don't even want to think about the possibility that if you go the other way with the time line there may be another victim, like much of the case that thought is so unsettling you wish it wasn't real but those wishes go unanswered.

    Agreed, it was discovered so haphazardly and also he was already so blazé and practiced. The way he psychologically manipulated her was disgusting.

    You get a lot of people in that scene who have no interest in the actual scene. But want to use the fantasies that people have to commit actual acts of violence
    The 42-year-old was not really interested in being a “master”.

    He REALLY just wanted to control her and kill her. Even when she was in hospital he had no concern for her as a person.
    He told her, “You must be punished for trying to kill yourself without me.”
    She should have realized from the beginning but she was so ill she couldn't.
    He had by now mastered the art of the double life; skilled with computers, he had set up separate profiles for himself and his wife on their home PC, so she could never log on and accidently find the images he liked to view and the documents he had written. They included a graphic and sickeningly violent fantasy about murdering a young woman he was in contact with online, Darci Day.

    Darci Day testified against him.So there were others he was in contact with. Elaine was not enough.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/graham-dwyer-and-elaine-o-hara-the-master-slave-relationship-1.2156173

    She should have realized but was too ill. She could have gotten better without that crap in her life. She was studying childcare and she could have had a happy future.


  • #125
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    PressRun wrote: »
    .

    People complain about the Guards a lot, but their dedication to unearthing what happened here was fantastic.
    I think they had a fantastic gut instinct. And realized how serious the nature of the crime was.


  • #126
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    IITYWYBMAD wrote: »
    Eligible in 8. Will probably do 12-13.
    THAT would be awful...life should MEAN life.


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  • #127
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,484 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    LadyAthame wrote: »
    THAT would be awful...life should MEAN life.

    Subject to direction from a minister for justice at the time, and there ain't a person alive will let him out.


  • #128
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Subject to direction from a minister for justice at the time, and there ain't a person alive will let him out.
    Good to know.


  • #129
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Subject to direction from a minister for justice at the time, and there ain't a person alive will let him out.

    well we hope so

    but there are plenty of people who think locking people up is just not nice


  • #130
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I heard on the news today the night before he was arrested he was watching a snuff movie showing a pregnant woman dying a 'horiffic death'. Utter scrum. I hope he rots.


  • #131
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Omackeral wrote: »
    No. The contrary. He won't get out for a long long time, unless on grounds of an appeal or some technicality.

    then you have got what i said backwards.


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  • #132
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Esra Uryun's case is to be re-opened due to similarities http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/graham-dwyer-kill-missing-mum-5425614


  • #133
    Mallagio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    Roquentin wrote: »
    i wonder how many more graham dwyers are out there?

    Wow I don't even want to think of that. Please god there isn't.


  • #134
    [Deleted User]
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    I heard on the news today the night before he was arrested he was watching a snuff movie showing a pregnant woman dying a 'horiffic death'. Utter scrum. I hope he rots.

    I really wish I hadn't read that. :(


  • #135
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    LadyAthame wrote: »
    ... skilled with computers, he had set up separate profiles for himself and his wife on their home PC...

    Because this takes "skill" now?


  • #136
    Mallagio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    I would be very surprised if this was his first time doing something evil like this.

    Crazy B*stard


  • #137
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    The bit that bothers me is he's reported to have told prison officers that there are far more dangerous men than him out there in the BDSM website world

    Quite possible!


  • #138
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    A lot of posts have mentioned that he may only serve a few years. This will not happen. Assuming that his appeal fails, he will likely spend a very, very long time in jail. He may very well die behind bars. His release on license would be at the discretion of the Minister of Justice, and there is no way that any Minister of Justice will sign the release papers for such a notorious murderer.

    There has also been mention of grounds for appeal and about how the Judge showed bias. While most of his bias was exhibited after the verdict was returned, the defense did try to call a mistrial and to get the Judge to recuse himself during the trial as they claimed that he was glaring at O'Dwyer during some evidence and the defense claimed that this would prejudice the jury. I expect that this will play a large part in any appeal.


  • #139
    Mallagio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    The bit that bothers me is he's reported to have told prison officers that there are far more dangerous men than him out there in the BDSM website world

    Quite possible!

    Yeah but that nut would say that, wouldn't he?!


  • #140
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I really feel for Elaine O'Hara's family and friends.
    Nobody deserved an end like she got at the hands of this monster.
    I also feel for O' Dwyer's wife and family.
    They must really be suffering too.


  • #141
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    he will likely spend over 25 years in prison the 7 year thing is only a first hearing date it would only be used for release in cases with certain circumstances as life is the only sentence for murder allowed, so if someone killed their partner who was suffering and wanted to die but was incapable of committing suicide then they would be guilty of murder. They would likely serve a short sentence and might be released in 7 years. The current average life sentence is 22 years and has been rising for the last few years. Dwyer is likely to serve an above average sentence due to the nature of his crime and will likely serve a very long sentence probably over 25 years and maybe 30 odd. Im sure an appeal will come though.


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  • #142
    Heisenberg1
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    salmocab wrote: »
    he will likely spend over 25 years in prison the 7 year thing is only a first hearing date it would only be used for release in cases with certain circumstances as life is the only sentence for murder allowed, so if someone killed their partner who was suffering and wanted to die but was incapable of committing suicide then they would be guilty of murder. They would likely serve a short sentence and might be released in 7 years. The current average life sentence is 22 years and has been rising for the last few years. Dwyer is likely to serve an above average sentence due to the nature of his crime and will likely serve a very long sentence probably over 25 years and maybe 30 odd. Im sure an appeal will come though.

    The average current life sentence is 22 years have you a link for this information?


  • #143
    Montroseee
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    Laois_Man wrote: »
    The bit that bothers me is he's reported to have told prison officers that there are far more dangerous men than him out there in the BDSM website world

    Quite possible!


    A Garda once told me you'd be surprised who lives within a few miles radius of you, no matter where in Dublin it is. This case really reminded of that day which was 20 odd years ago at this stage.


  • #144
    superelliptic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭superelliptic


    Montroseee wrote: »
    A Garda once told me you'd be surprised who lives within a few miles radius of you, no matter where in Dublin it is. This case really reminded of that day which was 20 odd years ago at this stage.

    Scary thought indeed. Makes a good argument for getting to know your neighbours better in that strangers / oddballs would be more noticeable.


  • #145
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    The bit that bothers me is he's reported to have told prison officers that there are far more dangerous men than him out there in the BDSM website world

    Quite possible!
    It's true that there are nutjobs. Usually you can tell straight off. It's not something you should enter into just online in my opinion.

    Most people into it are normal kind people. This was totally messed up in every way from the beginning.

    But people assume everyone is like them if you know what I mean. Dwyer was nothing to do with BDSM but exploited it. And there are many out there like him. Both men and women actually.

    I know many wonderful people who are apart of that scene but not online. You should expect the same level of respect and kindness as you would from anyone.

    Treating her death with due respect should mean an examination of the social context that allowed a man to convince a woman that his sexual desire to stab and kill her was within the bounds of the acceptable. It should mean attention to the cultural mainstreaming of BDSM. You need to ask why she could not tell he was an abuser and a nutjob?


  • #146
    Henwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Henwin


    2 points about the case i would like to make.
    ealaine apparantly told her friends she was seeing a married man who liked to hurt her and she was afraid of him, why didnt they report this to the guards when she went missing
    and people like Dywer, how do they become so evil, were they born like this or did something happen to them when they were younger and they turned into a monster. he said he began having these feelings at 14, did something happen then to kick start these feelings. are pysicos born or made


  • #147
    Dwarf.Shortage
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    Montroseee wrote: »
    A Garda once told me you'd be surprised who lives within a few miles radius of you, no matter where in Dublin it is. This case really reminded of that day which was 20 odd years ago at this stage.

    I know this is fairly irrelevant but I was at the Late Late show mid February 2014 and when someone posted the photo of him at TLLS earlier in the thread I noticed that I sat in the exact seat he sat in a few months previous, didn't get a sense it needed to be exorcised or anything unfortuntely.

    These people go unnoticed, until they're noticed at which point everyone believes they'd have noticed them.

    The media don't help this "retrospectively evil looking" phenomenon, taking 500 pictures of him walking out of court then trawling through them to find the one where he looks the craziest.


  • #148
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    Henwin wrote: »
    2 points about the case i would like to make.
    ealaine apparantly told her friends she was seeing a married man who liked to hurt her and she was afraid of him, why didnt they report this to the guards when she went missing
    and people like Dywer, how do they become so evil, were they born like this or did something happen to them when they were younger and they turned into a monster. he said he began having these feelings at 14, did something happen then to kick start these feelings. are pysicos born or made
    There are three types of people. Those who are comfortable talking about sex and are open. Those who are private and then those who are hypocritical. The fact that she was seeing a married man may have made them want to protect her reputation. It's not the right thing to do. We know this. It does not fit with her character. Now I don't suggest for a minute it makes her anything but the victim.

    But I think it might explain why they didn't say. I do think hidden relationships are slightly odd.


  • #149
    Dwarf.Shortage
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    LadyAthame wrote: »
    You need to ask why she could not tell he was an abuser and a nutjob?

    She was mentally ill and fragile, he was excellent at manipulating that. People lay on their death bed knowing whats killing them yet unable to stop it. People can die of colds because of weak immune systems, for Elaine O'Hara it was her mind rather than her body than was rendered unable to protect itself by illness.


  • #150
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    superelliptic wrote: »
    Scary thought indeed. Makes a good argument for getting to know your neighbours better in that strangers / oddballs would be more noticeable.

    but what difference would it make

    Dwyer had plenty of friends who had no idea what he was up too, and TBF how could they know

    we have very little idea what goes on in other peoples heads


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  • #151
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    She was mentally ill and fragile, he was excellent at manipulating that.
    It's why he picked her. Plus the fact that she was a generally amiable kind person.


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